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jivjov posted:Gaim was my first Rider...and maybe that's ruined other Riders for me...
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jivjov posted:Gaim was my first Rider...and maybe that's ruined other Riders for me... Same. Kind of. I watched Kiva just before, but I assumed all it's faults were just it being Kiva, instead of only most of them. I'm more of a Sentai person...but Gaim is so good... I do like other riders but they're all pre-W.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:33
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My first series were Gaim, Akibaranger, and Kyoryuger. As much as I liked it when it aired, I never actually finished Gaim because I got tired of the grimdark setting and "YOU CANT ALTER DESTINY" poo poo. Sagara was a huge fucker.
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Mar 16, 2015 21:46
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Fooley posted:My first series were Gaim, Akibaranger, and Kyoryuger. Gaim was not grim dark. Gaim was never ever grim dark. Not even once. We are not doing this, we are not calling Gaim anything than some times serious that pretended it wanted to tell a more involved story and then decided to just give up.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:02
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Poison Mushroom posted:I feel like having Gaim be your first rider is like having Utena or PMMM be your first anime. Or you know good anime
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Mar 16, 2015 22:07
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Now Ryuki, Ryuki was pretty dark, and it's novelization was grimdark(also: terrible).
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Mar 16, 2015 22:09
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Burkion posted:Gaim was not grim dark. Grimdark was the wrong word, but I agree it pretty much fell apart towards the end.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:27
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Faiz as a show is awful, although Paradise Lost is still one of my favorite Rider Movies
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Mar 16, 2015 22:54
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WickedHate posted:(also: terrible). Well then it fit in with just fine with the rest of Ryuki. Speaking of which, Ryuki is a bad choice for a first rider show. It might not be the worst for any one person but no matter what it is that you want some other show has done it better.
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Mar 16, 2015 23:39
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I think what a persons background interest may influence what is recommendable. If someone is unsure about the whole premise of karate bugmen but like character dramas or criminal procedurals, I would probably recommend Kuuga because truthfully the Heisei Tokasatsu is rather muted in the first series. If they are more on board but have similar tastes as mentioned before, then Agito is probably a better jumping off point. If they want to fully dive in modern Tokusatsu, I would recommend W. If they have a more anime background, then the Highschool setting of Fourze might be more familiar to them since its such a common setting. Under no circumstances would I recommend any of the series I consider Rider Wars. Ryuki, Kabuto, Decade, and Gaim being more inter-Kamen Rider conflict centered doesn't work so well for a jumping point. The rest I either haven't seen or feel one of the previously mentioned series is a better starting mark.
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Mar 16, 2015 23:47
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If you know what to expect from MOTW shows, and want an 80s flair to things, Kamen Rider Black is an EXCELLENT place to jump on. If you want something much shorter that doesn't make too much sense but is fun as hell, ZO is only 60 minutes. ZO for the record was my first Rider series.
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Mar 16, 2015 23:54
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Type Formula looks way better in motion and in close-ups then it did on the pictures. I'd suggest if you're watching the series give it a chance in motion before you dismiss it. There's a few neat little touches on it.
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Mar 17, 2015 01:41
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I love that the sponsor stickers on it are the names of all the Shift Cars. 
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Mar 17, 2015 01:50
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Cernunnos posted:I love that the sponsor stickers on it are the names of all the Shift Cars. Yes that was such an amazing detail.
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Mar 17, 2015 01:54
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Kabuto despite its many many non-food related flaws seems like a good first series. You get the good and the bad and it even prepares you for tvn subs.
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Mar 17, 2015 01:58
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Why would you watch Kabuto subbed when you could be watching it's amazing dub instead?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sul_G0WNJk
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Mar 17, 2015 02:00
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If you think Gaim was grimdark when Oren was introduced in the show before the tenth episode, continued his antics throughout, and didn't die or really have anything bad ever happen to him, I don't know what to tell you.
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Mar 17, 2015 02:36
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Gaim is a show whose reception tells how long they've been into the franchise. I've noticed people who use it as a first have a hard time adjusting to the other shows, while longtime viewers or at least, those that have followed an average of 2-3 modern shows just view it as refreshing from escaping a rigid structure. I fall into the latter category, and while I enjoyed it, it is very flawed (See: all of Kouta's development needing to repeat itself three times or so). In the grand scheme of things, it wasn't really ground breaking but it did something different-ish. Also as for fun things about Formula: I liked that Tomari got whiplash during the first usage of it. It was a detail for "Damage from strong form" they didn't really need to use, as I was full expecting him to just be bandaged up for the usual reasons.
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Mar 17, 2015 03:02
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they really seem to be leaning hard into the idea that the Rider systems are really taking their toll on the bodies of both of them
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Mar 17, 2015 03:09
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Dexie posted:Why would you watch Kabuto subbed when you could be watching it's amazing dub instead? That Cartoon Network logo is a joke, right?
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Mar 17, 2015 03:30
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Raserys posted:That Cartoon Network logo is a joke, right? It's the South East Asian Cartoon Network. Philippines/Malaysia/Singapore etc got a tokusatsu block on it. It showed...Blade, Kabuto, and a lot of the Sazer stuff.
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Mar 17, 2015 03:34
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Rei_ posted:they really seem to be leaning hard into the idea that the Rider systems are really taking their toll on the bodies of both of them It's not really the system in Shinnosuke's case though. In Go's case, it's undoubtely that the Mach Driver Honoo is incomplete and puts far too much strain in the user's body which we can guess will be fixed once it gets repaired, considering it will be destroyed next episode. In Big Bro Shin's case, Type Formula's Full Throttle is as fast as a F-1 car, which is more than an untrained person can take - as Shinnosuke points out, F-1 drivers have special training to take that speed, which a cop obviously lacks. I'm getting heavy GaoGaiGar vibes off Type Formula, actually. The Formula Cannon is like the Goldion Hammer, created as a weapon to make up for Shin/Guy being unable to use their proper finisher move (Formula's Full Throttle/Hell and Heaven) due to the strain it puts on them. I have to wonder if the weakness will get quietly forgotten (as toku sadly tends to do) or if it will be a plot point later down the road, Shinnosuke training to overcome Formula's drawback and relying on a proper Full Throttle again.
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Mar 17, 2015 03:41
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We'll have to see what the Shift Cars do. They might be the trick to letting him use Full Throttle in Formula. I'm wondering what Gou's ultimate form is going to look like. Surely they won't stick him in Deadheat for the rest of the show.
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Mar 17, 2015 03:44
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Stallion Cabana posted:We'll have to see what the Shift Cars do. They might be the trick to letting him use Full Throttle in Formula. They definitely seem to be alluding to him being on some sort of clock. Possibly that the Mach suit is draining his life or something.
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Mar 17, 2015 04:46
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The best first Rider show is G, actually.
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Mar 17, 2015 05:37
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Yosuke posted:It's the South East Asian Cartoon Network. Philippines/Malaysia/Singapore etc got a tokusatsu block on it. It showed...Blade, Kabuto, and a lot of the Sazer stuff. Does that mean there's a dub of Blade floating around somewhere??
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Mar 17, 2015 05:38
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mikeycp posted:Does that mean there's a dub of Blade floating around somewhere?? Probably? Apparently they moved onto Decade at some point too, but for the most part the region got a lot of dubbed Rider shows because of the Asia branded DX toys.
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Mar 17, 2015 07:55
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Shinobimaru in the preview does the robot. If you aren't loving Ninninger I don't know what to tell you.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:00
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Fooley posted:Shinobimaru in the preview does the robot. I dunno, I thought this episode was pretty weak, especially considering how good the previous two were. But then again I really hate Takaharu and this episode only served to make him even more unlikable. I like everyone on the team except him. The entire point of the episode, that Takaharu needs to work with his teammates, falls flat. The plan to save him ends up being pointless because he saves himself (with help from grandpa), and teamwork only becomes important and useful once Takaharu says so. In the end it really feels like you can just remove everyone but Takaharu because he's the best at everything. Hopefully this won't continue, because Takaharu is really bland and I've read way too much manga so I'm completely sick of his one-note archetype, and because I didn't like this kind of pseudo-teamwork (where Red > all) with Daigo, a character that was vastly more enjoyable. Paonmaru's great though. I'm honestly sad that we'll get another support mecha next episode, but hopefully it'll still get to shine because Shurikenjin Paon looks awesome. Oh well, next episode's Kasumi-centric, and Kasumi's my favourite right now, so it should be more enjoyable, just like the Yakumo and Nagi episodes were.
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I feel like a lot of the episode was a pretty much direct critique of the way that Daigo and Right were handled. It was saying that, yeah, you can make red the best but doing so at the expense of not having the other characters involved makes the series less good. I feel like people who are calling Takaharu "Daigo 3.0" or whatever are completely missing the point. He might be acting like that but the world that is being set up around him clearly disagrees with his assessment of himself. Thats what people really hated about the "red-centric" nature of the other shows, that what the others were doing wasn't interesting or important while red got to carry the whole plot on his own. Even in this episode he wasn't really "outpacing" the others, he did all the work in those "training exercises" but most of it was stuff that any one of them could have done, putting out a fire or defeating a fake monster or whatever. The point wasn't to take out the so-called threat, it was to work together so that they could be able to use those skills when a real threat arose. Takaharu didn't do that and predictably he got his rear end handed to him when the monster showed up. Even escaping wasn't done on his own, it took grandpa making the wind spell to get him out, otherwise he would have just been impotently shooting fire off into the sky like he was before their chat.
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Mar 18, 2015 02:57
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I'm enjoying Ninninger, but seriously Takaharu's actor is such a bad fit for the character. His body language and way of speaking completely clashes with his lines. Everything he says is generic hotblooded shonen fare, but the actor doesn't sell it at all. His emoting isn't fired up, but strangely subdued and sounds like he's just reciting the lines instead of playing the character. It's really distracting and the rest of the cast thankfully are all miles better.
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Potsticker posted:I'm enjoying Ninninger, but seriously Takaharu's actor is such a bad fit for the character. His body language and way of speaking completely clashes with his lines. Everything he says is generic hotblooded shonen fare, but the actor doesn't sell it at all. His emoting isn't fired up, but strangely subdued and sounds like he's just reciting the lines instead of playing the character. It's really distracting and the rest of the cast thankfully are all miles better. Yeah, same for me. I like the team and all, but Takaharu is just kind of awful at playing his role. He's doing all this yelling but it sounds wrong.
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Mar 18, 2015 06:10
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When he goes 'kitaaaaaa!' it reminds me of that time Libra did when he was disguised as Fourze, except not meant as a joke.
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The only thing I'm disliking about the show so far is how useless White's been so far, heck the only thing her dog robot has done so far was actively hinder the team's efforts in their debut fight(not to mention this episode it didn't even do anything at all when every other robot did at least one thing before they combined), hope they change this soon
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Mar 18, 2015 06:25
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drrockso20 posted:The only thing I'm disliking about the show so far is how useless White's been so far, heck the only thing her dog robot has done so far was actively hinder the team's efforts in their debut fight(not to mention this episode it didn't even do anything at all when every other robot did at least one thing before they combined), hope they change this soon Both the girls have been weirdly useless. I got a "Nagi doesn't wanna fight with the girls" subtext from the third episode, like they were fine fighting the mooks but Nagi needed to be important like Yakumo and Takaharu.
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Mar 18, 2015 06:40
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I'm used to loud and exuberant Reds, but Takaharu is loud and yelling and sounds like he's congested or talking through his nose and it's super distracting. I do like the show's aesthetic and the rest of the team, but Takaharu's acting and the show's focus on him so far are dulling my enthusiasm.
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WickedHate posted:Both the girls have been weirdly useless. I got a "Nagi doesn't wanna fight with the girls" subtext from the third episode, like they were fine fighting the mooks but Nagi needed to be important like Yakumo and Takaharu. Kasumi seems to be really competent, and other characters keep commenting on it. Which is as much as you can expect really from Sentai.
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drrockso20 posted:The only thing I'm disliking about the show so far is how useless White's been so far, heck the only thing her dog robot has done so far was actively hinder the team's efforts in their debut fight(not to mention this episode it didn't even do anything at all when every other robot did at least one thing before they combined), hope they change this soon This is 100% an intentional character trait they're doing, I wouldn't get your hopes of this changing beyond an episode or two where she's forced to become competent to save the others
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Robert "Ramirez" Baldwin opens a bar in Tokyo
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As much as I want to eat actual Japanese food, I know when I'm in Japan I'm gonna stop by and eat some of this motherfucker's cheesy fries.
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