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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Oh jesus I'm so sorry - there aren't going to be any more books, we could have warned you before you began. Spoiler that poo poo.
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nine-gear crow posted:Brandon Sanderson's a big ASoIaF fan too and after Robert Jordan died he's kind of become the go-to "finish the unfinished series" guy after The Wheel of Time. He's also a pretty fast writer, putting out 13 non-WoT novels, including a pair of 200,000+ word doorstoppers since 2011, when GRRM "finished" A Dance with Dragons. I want Sanderson to finish ASOIAF regardless of when GRRM dies just to see how he shoehorns Hoid* in to the story. * It's Patchface, obviously.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:50
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Lycus posted:The more I think about him, the more I'm glad he's cut. And everywhere I go (except here), I see book-purists crying "They can't cut Aegon! He's too important! They're ruining the story!" Is it 100% certain that he's been cut? If so that's a pretty huge book spoiler and GRRM probably hasn't even written his fate yet.
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Mar 23, 2015 06:20
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Gianthogweed posted:Is it 100% certain that he's been cut? If so that's a pretty huge book spoiler and GRRM probably hasn't even written his fate yet. He wasn't cast and river boat stuff was seen being adapted into Tyrion/Jorah scenes. That's enough percentage for me. Also, there's gonna be a lot of huge book spoilers from now on, anyway. Lycus fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 06:26
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Tezcatlipoca posted:It isn't a meteor. It's a comet which is why it is always called a comet. Thanks for the clarification. How long is the comet visible? days? months? Is it still visible?
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Mar 23, 2015 06:50
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Gianthogweed posted:Is it 100% certain that GRRM hasn't even written yet. ftfy
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Mar 23, 2015 06:51
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Iron Lung posted:Woah, this is some Andrew WK level poo poo. And you think this reveal will be in TWOW???? wait, theres an Andrew W K conspiracy? kcroy posted:If not then, in the HBO series... I have heard she will have a small character cameo, but that it will secretly reveal she isn't the original Miley. god dammit tired me sees that and partially believes it, since evidence lines up. am i a nutter computer parts posted:I'm going to pretend that Taylor Swift started that conspiracy theory since she apparently does go on 4chan. this was just a rumor with some decent evidence behind it, some of the evidence behind it was photoshopped and (since apparently moot knows swift) all of the posts came from an ip that was not hers. its not gonna stop me from wanting it to be true though
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Mar 23, 2015 07:02
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computer parts posted:I'm going to pretend that Taylor Swift started that conspiracy theory since she apparently does go on 4chan. wow that is a real (sub) conspiracy? Excellent. Luna Was Here posted:wait, theres an Andrew W K conspiracy? I know right?!
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Mar 23, 2015 07:44
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Tbh this conspiracy theory is more interesting than a book that will never come out.
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Mar 23, 2015 14:53
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Evil Fluffy posted:I want Sanderson to finish ASOIAF regardless of when GRRM dies just to see how he shoehorns Hoid* in to the story. KJA and Brian Herbert would explain how Nagga was actually a water-worm, bring back gholas of everyone from Ned Stark to Gared to Garth Greenhand and finally introduce the new concept of Ultra-Mega Spice though?
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Mar 23, 2015 15:24
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Luna Was Here posted:wait, theres an Andrew W K conspiracy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_W.K.#Legal_disputes ITS NOT A CONSPIRACY IF ITS ALL TRUE MAAAAN
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Mar 23, 2015 15:43
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eXXon posted:
If people think there are a lot of tin-foil hat theories now, they have no idea, there would be ten times as many if Gene Wolfe were the one in charge.
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Mar 23, 2015 15:45
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kcroy posted:Thanks for the clarification. How long is the comet visible? days? months? Is it still visible? It seemed to last at least a few days but I don't think the books were ever clear on how long it was in the sky.
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Mar 23, 2015 15:49
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Aegon sucks because you know GRRM didn't come up with him until at least 2005, and he's struggling to come up with new material that isn't actually Dany coming to Westeros, for some reason? I think it's very possible he hasn't come up with an endgame he's satisfied with and is kicking his tires on whatever else buys him time. Sure you can come up with small circumstantial evidence tha GRRM was planning Aegon earlier, but it's intentionally vague stuff that kept his options open for any weird future stuff he planned. It's lazy and insults the reader to be honest. Bless the show for getting rid of that nonsense and cutting to Varys just outright supporting Dany's claim. Too bad the show has...a less than stellar record on inventing material.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:19
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I really hope Aegon and Stoneheart being removed means I don't have to give a poo poo about them in the books either.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:25
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All things considered I think the show has been very good about their severely altered/made up stuff. Some bad, a lot of great. Hound vs. Brienne for Arya was brilliant.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:27
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If they changed anything, it should have been Stannis losing at the Blackwater.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:51
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Mike N Eich posted:Aegon sucks because you know GRRM didn't come up with him until at least 2005, and he's struggling to come up with new material that isn't actually Dany coming to Westeros, for some reason? I think it's very possible he hasn't come up with an endgame he's satisfied with and is kicking his tires on whatever else buys him time. most of the show-only material owns actually
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Mar 23, 2015 21:54
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this_is_hard posted:most of the show-only material owns actually uhh? Brienne vs Hound was good, everything else was (really) bad. That theon rescue was downright embarrassing, dany wailing "they stole my draaaagons" wasn't much better. e: craster's keep stuff was okay I guess, not horrible, just felt like filler Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 21:56
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:uhh? Brienne vs Hound was good, everything else was (really) bad. That theon rescue was downright embarrassing, dany wailing "they stole my draaaagons" wasn't much better. Tywin/Arya owned, Brienne v Hound, the characters being aged up was a good decision, most of the dialogue changes, etc. Crasters Keep and the Theon rescue sucked, I agree.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:12
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Craster's probably could've been salvaged if they left out the silly boss fight and allowed Jon and Bran to meet (and come up with a reason for Jon to let Bran go). I think the Dreadfort was probably unsalvageable because they weren't willing to do to anything to Yara, presumably to put her back on the Asha track. Lots of other changes have been well-received. The list of changes is much larger than those two scenes, so I do think people overly focus on them when talking about changes. Lycus fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 22:19
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this_is_hard posted:Tywin/Arya owned, Brienne v Hound, the characters being aged up was a good decision, most of the dialogue changes, etc. I was talking about all-new stuff, not stuff that was there previously but altered. Many of those have been good for sure. Tywin/Arya was good and I actually forgot it wasn't in the books. They hosed up Tyrion's escape in a lot of ways though, leaving with Jaime as friends is pretty hosed. I think Craster's Keep, Brienne vs Hound, Yara rescue, and Arya/Tywin were the closest things to whole-cloth new material, and while 50% of those things were good, I fear for a full season of that. Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 22:29
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It seems like if the changes are getting two characters together to talk more they're good, but if they're to insert an action scene they are bad.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:32
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PresidentBeard posted:It seems like if the changes are getting two characters together to talk more they're good, but if they're to insert an action scene they are bad. Brienne versus the Hound was mostly action and worked pretty well.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:34
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I think Craster's Keep, Brienne vs Hound, Yara rescue, and Arya/Tywin were the closest things to whole-cloth new material, and while 50% of those things were good, I fear for a full season of that. Going with your division: that's new material for stuff that takes place during the good books. New material for stuff that takes place during the bad books might be not be the same percentage.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:35
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Lycus posted:Going with your division: that's new material for stuff that takes place during the good books. New material for stuff that takes place during the bad books might be not be the same percentage. yeah true, maybe they can make something actually happen with Dany/Tyrion/Jorah/etc I'm still confused as to how they are gonna ditch the iron islands stuff - melisandre promised balon would die.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:37
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LemonDrizzle posted:Brienne versus the Hound was mostly action and worked pretty well. Yeah exceptions and all. I probably should have included a few "usually" qualifiers.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:58
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I'm no book purist but I think it's reasonable to have some doubts about the show writers moving past the book and doing a lot of the writing themselves. The show has been really good at minor tweaks and even substantial changes but their successes come when they don't stray very far. Stuff like Tywin and Arya, or Sansa's confession to the TV's version of the Lords Declarant really worked well but didn't stray super far from the original story. When they've gone totally off the reservation and written their own stuff you get some pretty bad work. Theon's rescue, the cringe-worthy FOOKIN LEGEND drinking from a skull, Potatoe Boy's Sweet Vengeance and Bro-Nod. I'm pretty nervous to see how they manage a change as major as Jaime in Dorne.
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Mar 23, 2015 23:13
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Being successful at cutting Aegon and making Tyrion/Varys > Tyrion/Jorah > Tyrion/Dany entertaining would be a huge victory.
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Mar 23, 2015 23:19
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The march towards death via peak fuckery continues: http://www.avclub.com/article/game-thrones-showrunners-admit-theyll-spoil-end-bo-216931 quote:Game Of Thrones showrunners admit that they’ll spoil the end of the books “the thing that’s kind of fun for George is the idea that he can still have surprises for people even once they’ve watched the show through to the conclusion.” “the thing that’s kind of fun for George is the idea that he can still have surprises for people even once they’ve watched the show through to the conclusion.” “the thing that’s kind of fun for George is the idea that he can still have surprises for people even once they’ve watched the show through to the conclusion.” “the thing that’s kind of fun for George is the idea that he can still have surprises for people even once they’ve watched the show through to the conclusion.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Mar 23, 2015 23:28
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All this talk about show-only storylines, how has no one mentioned Ros? Remember Ros? That was pretty awful.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:08
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Lycus posted:Going with your division: that's new material for stuff that takes place during the good books. New material for stuff that takes place during the bad books might be not be the same percentage. Season 2 had good scenes though and that book is terrible.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:19
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Intel&Sebastian posted:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA My thoughts exactly. Has Der Gurm responded yet, or is he trying to commit seppuku with a garlic baguette?
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Mar 24, 2015 00:20
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computer parts posted:Season 2 had good scenes though and that book is terrible. Well, with the scenes he listed there, Season 2 changes stand at 100% positive. Good sign for Season 5.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:30
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:e: craster's keep stuff was okay I guess, not horrible, just felt like filler This to me seemed like a "We need something for Jon Snow to do this season other than talk to people at Castle Black" type of thing.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:35
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They really, really wanted that battle for episode 9.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:36
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Crasters is alright except that the guy playing Sam must've hosed one of the writers girlfriends because he's got lines that don't belong in a grade school play in those Gilly scenes.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:37
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Intel&Sebastian posted:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA The show is the show and books are the books. The show is the show and the books are the books! THE SHOW IS THE SHOW AND THE BOOKS ARE THE BOOKS! :weeping:
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Mar 24, 2015 00:39
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Well he sort of made his own bed here by not moving the narrative forward at all in the four years the show's been airing.
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As much as I'd prefer to get the ending via the books, even if they're all ADWD level crap, this is the perfect punishment for GRRM and I very much look forward to him getting saltier and saltier as the seasons slip by. Edit: I'm enjoying watching people hang their hats on the "Well HBO said it could be 10 seasons" thing. Even if we're just going by averages and accept that Le Fucker Absolutament isn't going to fret over his ending more than anything that's come before, he's still not going to beat them. And ironically, in the time between the show debuting and now showrunners have really strengthened their hands for fighting against artificial series stretching thanks to things like Breaking Bad and Lost. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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