|
Mange Mite posted:Gods can die too See, e.g., Jesus Christ, Baldur, Zeus at the end of God of War II...
|
#
?
Mar 20, 2015 21:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 14:09 |
|
|
Just finished Eater of Worlds. Not bad, but also rather...bland. All WE characters felt the same: growly crazy murder-dude. Not even an entertainingly crazy murder-dude to break it up a little. The plot felt bureaucratic and forgettable.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 01:06
|
|
|
I think Betrayer would be the 'better' World Eaters book.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 04:12
|
|
|
So I finally got through Vengeful Spirit. It wasn't the godawful clusterfuck I was expecting from this thread, but it was clearly tying up a lot of loose ends (like Unremembered Empire). Definitely some fat in there to trim and the whole pathfinders thing was just boring although Russ giving Loken poo poo for being struck dumb at killing Horus was hillarious I think someone else commented on one thing that bugged me though. The brief, paragraph at most describing the fact that Horus spent possibly thousands of years in the warp raising armies, creating pacts, killing gods and monsters, winning demon wars and earning the powers of the Emperor through virtue of battle rather than trickery and then returned to find his sons standing around saying "dude, you were gone for about a minute" I kinda want to know a bit more about that than "oh by the way yeah, that happened. Moving on".
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 15:02
|
|
|
Dog_Meat posted:I kinda want to know a bit more about that than "oh by the way yeah, that happened. Moving on". That's the warp for ya.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 15:30
|
|
|
Dog_Meat posted:So I finally got through Vengeful Spirit. Not about Horus, but something like this story is what the Black Legion series is about.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 16:01
|
|
|
Dog_Meat posted:I think someone else commented on one thing that bugged me though. The brief, paragraph at most describing the fact that Horus spent possibly thousands of years in the warp raising armies, creating pacts, killing gods and monsters, winning demon wars and earning the powers of the Emperor through virtue of battle rather than trickery and then returned to find his sons standing around saying "dude, you were gone for about a minute" That would require McNeill to have as much talent and skill as ADB has in his pinky though.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 19:57
|
|
|
Skarsnik posted:A cleaner unplugs the golden throne, but instead of everything going to poo poo when the emp dies, the big E just pops up alive again and gets all mad at everyone A parody youtube series in which Big E's first words are "About loving time".
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 21:07
|
|
|
Groetgaffel posted:So, almost like If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device, yeah? Perhaps less filled with lovely 1d4chan crap though.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 21:13
|
|
|
"ultrasmurfs'
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 22:19
|
|
|
What is the fluff reasoning for emp not being able to communicate psychically with someone anyway. Can't he flash the astronomican in morse code even?
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 22:28
|
|
|
The Astronomicon is a 360 degree light tower. When it blinks the GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND, blessed be his name, is about to croak.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 22:31
|
|
|
Skarsnik posted:What is the fluff reasoning for emp not being able to communicate psychically with someone anyway. Can't he flash the astronomican in morse code even? I remember hearing that he occasionally posses several people at the palace at once, and use them to have fragmented conversations with himself though.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 23:07
|
|
|
Yeah that makes sense I guess.. So actually his first words would probably be 'do I know you deary? Is it tea time yet?'
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2015 23:13
|
|
|
Skarsnik posted:Yeah that makes sense I guess.. So actually his first words would probably be 'do I know you deary? Is it tea time yet?' "Wh...where's Horus? Where is my favorite son? There is so much work for us to do." Then all the custodes sort of shuffle their feet and look at each other.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 00:14
|
|
|
Wanna see him wake up, recall all the legions and conquer the galaxy again in order to stamp out the ecclesiasty and his cult. Wonder what big e would think of tyranids Tau would last about 2 weeks
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 00:36
|
|
|
Emperor: "Thankfully, your enforcement of the Imperial Truth has led to the extinction of the so-called gods of Chaos"
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 01:03
|
|
|
Waroduce posted:Wanna see him wake up, recall all the legions and conquer the galaxy again in order to stamp out the ecclesiasty and his cult. Nah, I think the Tau would last a good long while because they're utterly insignificant. They're the kind of thing the Legions wipe out as training exercises in introductory chapters to Horus Heresy books.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 01:04
|
|
|
Speaking of the Imperial Truth, I know that the Ecclesiarchy got its start as a cult - but was that cult originally taking its cues from Lorgar and his writings and sermons? Having the church be at its roots tainted by chaos could be make for an interesting book or short story, but I guess since it isn't bolter porn we'll never see a "renaissance Catholic Church IN SPACE" series. All I want is a 40k version of Pope Borgia, is that too much to ask?? Hot Dog Day #82 fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Mar 24, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 01:29
|
|
|
It was explicitly taking lessons from Lorgar's teachings, yes.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 01:32
|
|
|
Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Speaking of the Imperial Truth, I know that the Ecclesiarchy got its start as a cult - but was that cult originally taking its cues from Lorgar and his writings and sermons? Having the church be at its roots tainted by chaos could be make for an interesting book or short story, but I guess since it isn't bolter porn we'll never see a "renaissance Catholic Church IN SPACE" series. Yes, that is how it started, and that pope Borgia equivalent would be Goge Vandire of the Age of Apostasy
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 02:19
|
|
|
A book series set during the Reign of Blood would be awesome.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 02:50
|
|
|
Arcsquad12 posted:A book series set during the Reign of Blood would be awesome. I forget where I read it, but somewhere ADB is on record as saying that Sebastian Thor is his favorite character to come out of the 40k fluff. We can only hope one day that he'll have his chance to write about that era!
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 03:03
|
|
|
I think one key thing people forget when it comes to the "powers" of the primarchs is they essentially have the equivalent of real-world plot armor. I've kind of always viewed them in the same way one might view Achilles or other Greek heroes, they are simply fated to do great things. In 40K fates can be altered, and even to beings as powerful as the gods of Chaos nothing is 100% set in stone, but for lack of a better viewpoint characters like the primarchs are simply destined for greatness, and events and plots that should likely kill them despite their enhanced physical powers are essentially doomed to fail. Only when confronted with beings processed of equally powerful destinies can they truly be brought low. This handily explains why a stray atomic explosion, orbital strike, or bolter round hasn't accidently killed one of them whilst leading from the front in thousands of battles. In a sci-fi universe replete with doomsday weapons that should make assassinating even a god a simply thing, they still manage to come out alright for this very reason.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 03:11
|
|
|
Skarsnik posted:What is the fluff reasoning for emp not being able to communicate psychically with someone anyway. Can't he flash the astronomican in morse code even? He does communicate, though the Emperor's Tarot.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 03:24
|
|
|
Mange Mite posted:He does communicate, though the Emperor's Tarot. Heresy
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2015 05:52
|
|
|
Uroboros posted:I think one key thing people forget when it comes to the "powers" of the primarchs is they essentially have the equivalent of real-world plot armor. I've kind of always viewed them in the same way one might view Achilles or other Greek heroes, they are simply fated to do great things. In 40K fates can be altered, and even to beings as powerful as the gods of Chaos nothing is 100% set in stone, but for lack of a better viewpoint characters like the primarchs are simply destined for greatness, and events and plots that should likely kill them despite their enhanced physical powers are essentially doomed to fail. Only when confronted with beings processed of equally powerful destinies can they truly be brought low. I can't remember which of the books I started to notice it in, but this seems to literally be a thing in the 40k lore. Only a primarch can kill a primarch and I seem to remember it being commented on. Of course, this would contradict a few things (in 40k?), like how Dorn was later taken down by a bunch of eldar reavers and Curze by an assasin.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 17:10
|
|
|
I think the implication there is that Dorn isn't really gone and that the primarch responsible for Curze's death was Curze himself, in that he allowed M'Shen to do it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 17:20
|
|
|
PantsOptional posted:I think the implication there is that Dorn isn't really gone and that the primarch responsible for Curze's death was Curze himself, in that he allowed M'Shen to do it. That's his whole gimmick. He allowed himself to be killed by a tool of the Emperor to show the hypocrisy of the Imperium: by using a the punishment of death delivered by a tool of fear (a Callidus Assassin), The Big E was showing that Curze was no different in how he enforced compliance on his worlds: through fear on pain of death should you be anything but compliant. Pair that with his batshit crazy mental illness of being plagued with visions of his own death for his entire life and you've got the makings for one kind of super Batman/Joker hybrid: a whacked out vigilante with a flair for cavalier chaotic murder. And Dorn is dead as poo poo. He was killed while single handedly storming some Chaos battle barge. Now the names of IF chapter masters are engraved on the bones of his skeletal hand remains.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 17:48
|
|
|
PRESIDENT GOKU posted:That's his whole gimmick. He allowed himself to be killed by a tool of the Emperor to show the hypocrisy of the Imperium: by using a the punishment of death delivered by a tool of fear (a Callidus Assassin), The Big E was showing that Curze was no different in how he enforced compliance on his worlds: through fear on pain of death should you be anything but compliant. Pair that with his batshit crazy mental illness of being plagued with visions of his own death for his entire life and you've got the makings for one kind of super Batman/Joker hybrid: a whacked out vigilante with a flair for cavalier chaotic murder. Nope, Dorn's death was never confirmed, only one of his hands was found on the ship but no body, and since this is kinda pulpy scifi the implication is that he is either running around with sweet bionics somewhere or is a prisoner somewhere. Seriously he is literally the loving primarch of siege warfare and assaults, I doubt he died from that. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 25, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 17:51
|
|
|
Like every loyal primarch is alive running around the warp somewhere save Sanguinius who died infront of everyone and the one who died at the start of the heresy to fulgirm or whatever. I forget who it was
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 18:26
|
|
|
You joke but there are only two actual confirmed deaths IIRC, and all of the others are just in stasis or 'vanished' in conveniently vague fashions. Sanguinis: Dead Ferrus: Dead Roboute: Sitting on toilet Lion: Laying on a toilet Dorn: Missing hand Russ: Took his first company and left Khan: Warp Vulkan: Find my stuff and I'll come back Corvus: Flew into Eye of Terror Alpharius: Still loyal obviously Some of these are more likely death sentences than not but the point is there are a lot of deliberate open ends.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 18:59
|
|
|
REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:You joke but there are only two actual confirmed deaths IIRC, and all of the others are just in stasis or 'vanished' in conveniently vague fashions. Also factoring in how GW handled the End times in fantasy and its pretty much guaranteed that they are all alive.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 19:25
|
|
|
REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:You joke but there are only two actual confirmed deaths IIRC, and all of the others are just in stasis or 'vanished' in conveniently vague fashions. Ferrus Manus is jist having his day off on Mars
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 21:34
|
|
|
Dog_Meat posted:I can't remember which of the books I started to notice it in, but this seems to literally be a thing in the 40k lore. Only a primarch can kill a primarch and I seem to remember it being commented on. Lorgar talks about it, how the Emperor created such powerful weapons in the primarchs that Chaos had to turn them against each other if it was going to do anything to the Imperium. The primarchs were too strong, too powerful to be opposed by anything but themselves and the Emperor.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 21:36
|
|
|
They literally burn off Fulgrim's foot to the shin and he's walking around fine a few hours later.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 21:46
|
|
|
Don't forget the dildo too
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2015 22:17
|
|
|
MasterSlowPoke posted:They literally burn off Fulgrim's foot to the shin and he's walking around fine a few hours later. Skarsnik posted:Don't forget the dildo too Tell me more.
|
|
#
?
Mar 26, 2015 00:33
|
|
|
PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Tell me more. In the short story The Reflection Crack'd by Graham McNeill which was included in The Primarchs HH anthology Lucius becomes suspicious of Fulgrim through a bunch of subtle nuances in his behavior and demeanor. By subtle I mean kills Eidolon like a bitch for no good reason. Lucius later convinces a bunch of Emperor's Children captains and Fabius Bile that Fulgrim is possessed so they set up an ambush and eventually subdue him. They all figure pain is the best way to excise the demon, so they wake him up and start going to work on his foot with a blow torch. Then when that doesn't work, one of the captains shoves a pear of anguish up Fulgrim's rear end. That works out about as well as you'd expect.
|
|
#
?
Mar 26, 2015 01:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 14:09 |
|
|
AndyElusive posted:In the short story The Reflection Crack'd by Graham McNeill which was included in The Primarchs HH anthology Lucius becomes suspicious of Fulgrim through a bunch of subtle nuances in his behavior and demeanor. By subtle I mean kills Eidolon like a bitch for no good reason. Lucius later convinces a bunch of Emperor's Children captains and Fabius Bile that Fulgrim is possessed so they set up an ambush and eventually subdue him. They all figure pain is the best way to excise the demon, so they wake him up and start going to work on his foot with a blow torch. Then when that doesn't work, one of the captains shoves a pear of anguish up Fulgrim's rear end. I remember reading that story, but I don't remember the forced sodomy. How was it written?
|
|
#
?
Mar 26, 2015 01:29
|
|