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NowonSA posted:I feel like Hani's going to have some ups and downs in her deductions. I love these little bits of fourth wall nudging they do when making up stuff for their roles. "Yeah I got drunk as gently caress at the Abnormal Street Bar...it's owned by a foreigner  "Fate/zero music for the murder weapon was pretty intense, and I start with a stellar 0/1 record for the season.
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One other thing about their roles, which is fairly obvious, but only the criminal can outright lie about their actions/backstories unless it's some meaningless color. Everyone else has to give the truth if some unmentioned detail is brought to light. Crime Scene S2E2: I was wondering if the guard's clothes were going to be a plot point of some kind, turns out he really was just drunk as gently caress and lost them. As for the new format, I think I like it. It works better with the one episode per crime, rather than last season when they super-compartmentalized it with different set pieces. I thought it might be bad to give them full access to the Crime Scene almost the whole time, but even with that they missed quite a few crucial clues. Over all I think the streamlined helps, also think that for now the detective role seems like it's working okay.
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It's too bad we can't do a live vote on our end and have a proper contest to rank everyone's success at finding the criminal. Hopefully the cases get tougher as we go too with more viable suspects. Ideally you should have one role at most able to be completely ruled out, and the rest should at least be plausible.
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Apr 13, 2015 05:53
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Really enjoyed the ep. I can't believe no one else voted for the Art Dealer! Security Guard's whole theory and thought process made perfect sense to me. Had me convinced.
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Apr 13, 2015 06:20
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They've really got the format down now. It seems a lot smoother and a lot more organized than the first series. I can't help but imagine how a U.S. network would adapt this. It needs the 2 hour runtime, so cable would probably be a better fit.
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Apr 13, 2015 06:23
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I'm kind of surprised that the mothers suspicion was completely dropped only because I kept wondering who took the the picture of the victim with the guard, I was thinking it had to be the mother because there was a detective number in her secret files. Though really it kind of falls apart immediately because why would she try to frame her son. I think I sort of had it right, in so much as I totally didn't suspect Jinho or the Guard so if I was literately there I probably would have hemmed and hawed, but put the cuff down for Dongmin.
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Apr 13, 2015 07:49
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Things I want to see this season on Crime Scene: -A clue or puzzle with one or multiple triangles involved, to pay off the Director's traingular deductions. -More Dongmin showing off his memory while the Sherlock theme plays. -Unnecessary blurring on each murder weapon -A scenario with a female casino dealer dressed like Dealer Nuna as the victim, with Dongmin expressing over the top grief for his friend. Bonus points if this happens when Dongmin is the detective, and he swears to catch the killer no matter what. -A secret mission for the criminal to accomplish during the deduction, such as "poisoning" a drink or hiding/destroying evidence. That might be a fun wrinkle for season 3, but it'd be interesting to see it pop up sooner. -Another episode set in America so we can hear everyone's English. Bonus if the detective imitates American detective conventions.
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NowonSA posted:Things I want to see this season on Crime Scene: Yes, please. I was certain it was the guard because on this show, traditionally, when someone interrogates another person and says said "I don't think it's you", the person responds something along the lines of "Who do you think is the criminal?". The guard just said "yeah it wasn't me" and didn't ask any follow up. Additionally, the moment the detective told him he found the weapon, the guard went to the garden and unearthed the weapon. It all seemed mighty suspicious. I thought the facial expression thing was just Dongmin being Dongmin. I guess it was a good indicator he was guilty, after all.
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Tonfa posted:Fate/zero music for the murder weapon was pretty intense, and I start with a stellar 0/1 record for the season. So I wasn't imagining it! They used it pretty well.
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I found it really odd that people suspected Jinho so much, I mean he found the most evidence out of everyone and he always brought his evidence directly to the group but noooo the odd stutter and wanting to think about a question before answering it is enough to make other people suspect him. I think part of the problem was that he kinda blew off a question from Hani because he didn't think it was important (he denied it but not as forcefully as Hani wanted), then she spent the remainder of the episode trying to find evidence to convict him. I was actually really suspicious of Mother Park for a lot of the episode, up until Jinho showed she had lost her gallery badge and wouldn't be able to access the building. Mother Park seemed to be throwing random theories at just about everyone, without really following up on them so it seemed more like a deflection strategy than anything else. I was torn between Guard Kim and Dealer Jang for my guess, maybe slightly leaning to Dealer Jang but I lost a lot of confidence in that when almost nobody seemed to vote for him. Dongmin seemed to do an excellent job of deflecting attention away at the least.
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Yeah, I didn't watched the episode that closely, but the entire time I was asking myself where the wedding dress came from (it wasn't stored at the gallery as far as I could tell and I have no idea why the victim would have kept her wedding dress at her office) and where the photo of the victim and guard came from (this could have been stored at her office, but if it was, why wasn't it just placed back in her office instead of the supposed killer's studio?). Great episode though - I feel like the story and set felt tighter and improved from the first season.
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Apr 15, 2015 00:27
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I figured it was Dongmin when he found the phone and refused to show it to Guard Kim and only begrudgingly gave it to Jinho after some pressure, who immediately shared it with everyone. I didn't see any reason for Dongmin to hide that info on the surface unless he knew about it being bad for him.
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pandabear posted:Yeah, I didn't watched the episode that closely, but the entire time I was asking myself where the wedding dress came from (it wasn't stored at the gallery as far as I could tell and I have no idea why the victim would have kept her wedding dress at her office) and where the photo of the victim and guard came from (this could have been stored at her office, but if it was, why wasn't it just placed back in her office instead of the supposed killer's studio?). Great episode though - I feel like the story and set felt tighter and improved from the first season. This is explained after the vote where they show that the dress was owned by the Dealer, its in the picture in the article about him. Its really obscure which makes sense, because that would have been really decisive to convict him I feel.
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Apr 15, 2015 00:38
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Zythrst posted:This is explained after the vote where they show that the dress was owned by the Dealer, its in the picture in the article about him. Its really obscure which makes sense, because that would have been really decisive to convict him I feel. No, I understood at the end when the criminal revealed the missed clues, but beforehand, I was confused as to why no one seemed to be really exploring these threads.
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Apr 15, 2015 00:46
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Elite posted:but noooo the odd stutter and wanting to think about a question before answering it is enough to make other people suspect him I thought they established last season that when Jinho stutters he's telling the truth.
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Apr 15, 2015 00:48
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ViggyNash posted:I thought they established last season that when Jinho stutters he's telling the truth. Well it doesn't really matter either way, because he stutters all the time.
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Apr 15, 2015 01:08
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If there's anything Crime Scene and Genius have taught me it's that IQ tests are worthless.
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Apr 15, 2015 02:10
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According to Bumdidly's twitter the format of that last episode was an experiment and the lack of briefings and team inspections didn't go over great, so those will be back next week.
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Apr 15, 2015 05:32
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I was lost almost the entire way through, so I'm happy with that.
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Apr 15, 2015 05:33
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I didn't find it confusing but the new format did seem to blur the space between reality and "TV reality" which in turn made it less playful, which I was not into!
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Apr 15, 2015 05:57
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I liked it for the most part. It kind of separated everyone playing their roles (which I thought they did well) at the beginning from trying to play the game and solve the case after the initial briefing (though role acting still came up here and there later. She raised her son wrong!). I think the best setup would probably be something similar to that initial detective roundup (maybe a bit shortened from the recent episode), and then teams of two examining the crime scene, then everyone giving a briefing on the evidence they found and then free exploration of the scene while the detective can call in anyone for an interview, but no one else can have a 1 on 1 interview in the room (further powering up the detective role). Aside from the reaction to the format change in Korea, I do think that giving everyone what seemed like an hour to explore the scene together makes it too hard on the criminal, in the recent case only two clues in the same document were missed and it's hard to pull of a win with that much other evidence found. They can always go back to the format in the latter half of S1 and be fine though, so I'm not particularly worried.
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NowonSA posted:Aside from the reaction to the format change in Korea, I do think that giving everyone what seemed like an hour to explore the scene together makes it too hard on the criminal, in the recent case only two clues in the same document were missed and it's hard to pull of a win with that much other evidence found. Well except the criminal won.
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Apr 15, 2015 06:15
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Zythrst posted:Well except the criminal won. Yeah, I'm speaking generally rather than specifically. If I'm the criminal, do I want everyone wandering around, finding clues, and talking to each other for 30-60 minutes, or do I want them separately gathering evidence and all being together for a shorter period of time? If I want to hide evidence or discover it on my own so I can paint it in a different light, do I want to do that with 5 people around or only one? Dongmin won because he's freaking Dongmin, the cirminal won't always have that literal get out of jail free card.
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I was pretty okay with not having briefings, separate search sessions and people reporting their findings in briefings just seemed to slow the game down to me. NowonSA posted:Yeah, I'm speaking generally rather than specifically. If I'm the criminal, do I want everyone wandering around, finding clues, and talking to each other for 30-60 minutes, or do I want them separately gathering evidence and all being together for a shorter period of time? If I want to hide evidence or discover it on my own so I can paint it in a different light, do I want to do that with 5 people around or only one? They did have a lot of time to find evidence, but it seems that making a story out of the evidence is more important than just picking up clues. The victim this time was basically Korean Petyr Baelish so they were scheming against everyone meaning that everyone had motive. So you're right that the format makes it harder for the criminal to manipulate evidence, but it's not like every clue points directly towards the criminal.
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Suspicious Dish posted:today i learned that hani's claim to fame is a creepy video a fan took of her singing that dumb up and down song. i wish i did not know that and want to share it with you. This is actually a thing in Korea every kpop group has "fancams" and individual fancams. It just happens to be that this fancam in particular went mad viral.
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So hey I just got done watching Abnormal Summit 36 and in the next week previews Jinho!
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I didn't mind the format this episode. Not sure I like it more, but I didn't really like it less.qbert posted:Really enjoyed the ep. I can't believe no one else voted for the Art Dealer! Security Guard's whole theory and thought process made perfect sense to me. Had me convinced. Pretty amazing.Does anyone buy that Dongmin gave himself away with his reaction to the murder weapon discovery? He did react differently but the weapon discovery wasn't even bad for him anyway. It pointed at Jinho NowonSA posted:Things I want to see this season on Crime Scene: Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Apr 18, 2015 |
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Apr 18, 2015 14:24
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Yeah, I'm not sure what the murder weapon was supposed to say. It pointed pretty strongly at Jinho, and didn't feel like a super obvious plant.
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I liked the second episode a lot more. The clues in the first were kinda, I don't know, gamey? I think it's more interesting if it's set up more like an actual crime scene, hope they continue this trend.
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Have you seen season 1? First episode was a one off to do a short deduction skill test, rest of the eps are much more complex like ep 2.
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Apr 18, 2015 19:30
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Episode 3 is up.
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Corn Thongs posted:Have you seen season 1? First episode was a one off to do a short deduction skill test, rest of the eps are much more complex like ep 2. I haven't, so I dont know what the usual formula is. I didn't mind the simplicity of the case, but things like the unlock codes on the umbrella or floor numbers seemed a bit nonsensical. For half of the episode I thought the stairs guy was supposed to be an accomplice or something.
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grate deceiver posted:I haven't, so I dont know what the usual formula is. I didn't mind the simplicity of the case, but things like the unlock codes on the umbrella or floor numbers seemed a bit nonsensical. For half of the episode I thought the stairs guy was supposed to be an accomplice or something. Watch Season 1 you goof
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Apr 19, 2015 19:57
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I've picked the right criminal each time so far. The start of a new Crime Scene streak? Jinho's analysis was 100% spot on, I'd hope that the detective stop failing the cases but with Detective Dongmin next week I think that's unlikely.
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I got it wrong this time, welp. I wasn't convinced even after Jinho exposed his theory because the Worker didn't seem to have a strong enough motive. But in the context of the crime (with Bookstore's call) it made a lot of sense. I didn't link those so I was set on the wife deciding to kill the husband to get the entire 200k. Her quarrel with Bookstore seemed a little artificial and I was thinking she was putting that on to avoid suspicions in the short term. Also Hani was acting weird. Man, the guest was good though, he convinced me when he said that he has no direct benefit on the insurance.
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Symbolic Butt posted:I got it wrong this time, welp. Yeah, same. Was pretty convinced for the first half that it was gonna be Jang, but then ended up thinking Hani by the end for the insurance stuff. I did begin to rethink Jang when he convinced everyone he couldn't have been the one the vic asked to help with the fraud plan because he was going to go on a trip with Hani. Which the vic wouldn't have known. Definitely for the best that Dongmin missed the bit about rewinding the tape, though, because that would've just made it such a disappointing anticlimax. ...What also didn't help was that I misremembered stuff and figured that the guest couldn't be the criminal, since if I remember right, this was the first time it's happened.
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I was stuck between the wife, Hong, and Kim. The wife has the strongest motivation and has already attempted murder once. My theory was that the fraud accomplice did his job as described and left (I assumed it was Kim), then the wife found him later and finished him off. Hong is on the list because he also has a decent motive and also because I am an idiot and wasn't thinking it through. Kim was on there because I thought he was the most likely to be asked to participate in the fraud. If I had remembered the time for Bookstore's phone call about the 50k buy in I think I would have been certain about Kim, but unfortunately I didn't so I was kinda stuck. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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This was a really good episode, because there were multiple perfectly viable suspects at the end, and yet the final reveal and explanation definitely made the most sense. It was between Worker Kim and Wife Ha for me at the end, and even I was fooled and picked the wife. The group failing on the cassette evidence was hilarious, although I suspect that even if that had come out Worker Kim would've spun some story about admitting to help with the fake robbery, but then someone else came along and set the fire after he left. I definitely recall episodes in Season 1 where the "smoking gun" was found but the killer twisted it away from them. Really impressed with the mysteries the writers have crafted for this season so far. Also they should just consider bringing that guest back and making him a permanent cast member, because he was fantastic in both his episodes.
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I was talking about Jinho's analysis, not Dongmin's, ViggyNash.
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