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Demiurge4 posted:So I'm reading Helsreach again and I'm back to wondering if this would make a good movie adaption. It has a massive fuckoff war, titans, millions of orks and loving Space Marines so of course it would make a great action movie. Grimaldus and Andrej. Buddy cop movie.
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pentyne posted:There's very little middle ground, either the Space Marines are cool and thank the humans for their service, or treat them like expendable garbage and are a second away from tearing their heads off. well yeah, I mean, they were created to mock the soft fascism of the UK 80s. Their whole thing is the violent authoritarian paternalism of the elites taken to its logical conclusion and justified. They know exactly how many lives are being sacrificed every second they let "the mob" hew and haw and try to decide what to do, every second they don't seize authority and make them obey, which they are forbidden to do, even though it would make perfect sense to just force them to disband their guild and work 200 hours a week in the mines so they have the power to defend the
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Fellblade posted:Space Marines are best when shown from the point of view of or at least interacting with regular humans. See pretty much every Dan Abnett or ADB book. You'd need the same for a movie, something like the Night Lords or Prospero Burns perspective, that way the non-human non-sympathetic aspect is a bonus. Wrath of Iron has great space marine on human action too
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Fried Chicken posted:well yeah, I mean, they were created to mock the soft fascism of the UK 80s. Their whole thing is the violent authoritarian paternalism of the elites taken to its logical conclusion and justified. They know exactly how many lives are being sacrificed every second they let "the mob" hew and haw and try to decide what to do, every second they don't seize authority and make them obey, which they are forbidden to do, even though it would make perfect sense to just force them to disband their guild and work 200 hours a week in the mines so they have the power to defend the My only awareness of Space Marines vs Humans is the THQ WH40k games where the Space Marines are courteous as gently caress to the IG. That and one short story in the Let The Galaxy Burn collection where a Space Marine loses his poo poo when an IG officer offers to have his men stand watch while the SM's relax/sleep. All I remember is the Dark Crusade Space Marines conquering the IG, and the ending VO mentions how the Blood Angels regretted what they did, but both Imperial forces had to follow their orders and how the Blood Angels Captain commended the heroism of the IG.
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Jul 5, 2015 09:38
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The blood ravens are just buttering them up before they steal all their baneblades and company relics.
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Jul 5, 2015 10:05
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There's a great short story about the iron hands that has a great contrast between marines and humans, but for the life of me I can't remember anything else about it.
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Jul 5, 2015 10:33
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the blood ravens were a cool, funny & well executed custom chapter imo
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Jul 5, 2015 11:29
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"none shall find us wanting (because we nicked anything we could want anyway)"
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lenoon posted:There's a great short story about the iron hands that has a great contrast between marines and humans, but for the life of me I can't remember anything else about it.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:01
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V. Illych L. posted:the blood ravens were a cool, funny & well executed custom chapter imo They were. Especially the relics' descriptions where they basically made replicas of chapter relics to praise other chapters, the chapters find themselves in disgust and not even realize the relic they now have is the fake. Still don't like the lack of psyker units in the games despite being a psyker heavy chapter in the games. Then again since most would probably have their heads explode in the presence of that much chaos and corruption it wouldn't be too much of a surprise. That and the Eldar got the psyker powers as their gimmick.
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lenoon posted:There's a great short story about the iron hands that has a great contrast between marines and humans, but for the life of me I can't remember anything else about it. Wrath of Iron has a hrck of a lot of it
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Blood Ravens also get a whole crop of Dragonball Z voice actors to prop them up. If you need someone to scream FOR TEH EMPRAH into a microphone for forty minutes a day, you go to the best.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:34
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Arcsquad12 posted:Blood Ravens also get a whole crop of Dragonball Z voice actors to prop them up. If you need someone to scream FOR TEH EMPRAH into a microphone for forty minutes a day, you go to the best. That being said, this is a great video showing some DoW2 voice actors doing their thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etm3Z8E4F18
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Jul 7, 2015 16:37
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Sega just registered the domain for dawn of war 3, so that's hopefully probably a thing that's happening.
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Is any of this stuff available on kindle? None of the Abnett seems to be...
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hopterque posted:Sega just registered the domain for dawn of war 3, so that's hopefully probably a thing that's happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_3ZTp4eG4&t=16s
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how me a frog posted:Is any of this stuff available on kindle? None of the Abnett seems to be... Direct from black library yeah, but their eBook pricing is insane
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Jul 8, 2015 00:06
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how me a frog posted:Is any of this stuff available on kindle? None of the Abnett seems to be... You can certainly find it in various e-book formats, yeah.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:15
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Been watching Sharpe, and more and more I notice just how much of an impact it had on Gaunt's Ghosts. Obadiah and Lijah Cuu are pretty much the same character for a start.
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Jul 8, 2015 05:23
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Arcsquad12 posted:Been watching Sharpe, and more and more I notice just how much of an impact it had on Gaunt's Ghosts. Obadiah and Lijah Cuu are pretty much the same character for a start. Read the books, those TV movies are terrible in comparison
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Jul 8, 2015 05:28
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Arcsquad12 posted:Been watching Sharpe, and more and more I notice just how much of an impact it had on Gaunt's Ghosts. Obadiah and Lijah Cuu are pretty much the same character for a start. The Emperor commands and we obey through the warp and far away
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Jul 8, 2015 05:33
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hopterque posted:Sega just registered the domain for dawn of war 3, so that's hopefully probably a thing that's happening. Hopefully it'll be more like the first. The second one was pretty bad, I still don't get, why they chose to change the gameplay that much.
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Jul 8, 2015 12:14
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Night Lords is pretty darn good so far. It's kind of fun watching him struggle to 'humanize' some of the more ludicrous aspects of Chaos, corruption, and backstabby demonlords.
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Jul 8, 2015 12:20
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ElPedro posted:Hopefully it'll be more like the first. The second one was pretty bad, I still don't get, why they chose to change the gameplay that much. How does it feel to be wrong all the time?
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Jul 8, 2015 13:10
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Sandweed posted:How does it feel to be wrong all the time? He wouldn't know, that's a completely correct opinion.
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Jul 8, 2015 13:36
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Fried Chicken posted:He wouldn't know, that's a completely correct opinion. It also kind of sucks that there's no good fluff or stories about the Blood Ravens outside of the games save their Index Astartes article. I think they're a cool chapter and it sucks that the only books about them are by CS Goto.
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Jul 8, 2015 14:25
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It's obviously about personal preference, but I really liked what you describe about DoW 1 - I didn't feel like you could gently caress around in DoW 2 at all, it seemed to be built for competitive play, and I just want to chill out, while I kill stuff. Oooh the wait for the next Abnett book is long...
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Jul 8, 2015 14:34
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Mange Mite posted:Read the books, those TV movies are terrible in comparison That's a pretty lofty claim considering the only film that can top sharpe for portrayals of napoleonic warfare is waterloo. The series is still good on its budget.
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ElPedro posted:It's obviously about personal preference, but I really liked what you describe about DoW 1 - I didn't feel like you could gently caress around in DoW 2 at all, it seemed to be built for competitive play, and I just want to chill out, while I kill stuff. Yeah, that's fair. I play DoW1 when I want to pan the camera around and watch my Marines shoot Orks. I played DoW2 when I wanted a more intense and conscious experience than DoW1 but not as frantic or exhausting as Starcraft.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Been watching Sharpe, and more and more I notice just how much of an impact it had on Gaunt's Ghosts. Obadiah and Lijah Cuu are pretty much the same character for a start. I'd say 'impact' would be being a bit too lenient on Abnett; The Ghosts evolved a lot over their novels, but it's often pretty much 'Sharpe in space'. (E: This isn't knocking the quality of them at all, I think they're fantastic, but let's not pretend what they are!)
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Hunterhr posted:The Emperor commands and we obey through the warp and far away Actually a song that exists in 40k.
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Jul 8, 2015 15:12
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Both dawn of war games are great (so, 1 including expansions, and 2 including expansions), but they're pretty different. Dawn of War 2 is a loving awesome coop game though, so that's a big plus. Both of the types of gameplay have their merits and ideally they'd give us some combination of the two of them for the 3rd game, but we'll see.
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They screwed the pooch royally with CoH2, and the way the dlc stuff was handled in Space Marine was wretched. Dunno, I'm not as optimistic as I might once have been :/ Still hope it's good, DoW1/2/Space Marine were all nerdy love letters to Warhams.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Been watching Sharpe, and more and more I notice just how much of an impact it had on Gaunt's Ghosts. Obadiah and Lijah Cuu are pretty much the same character for a start. I dunno. Cuu is pure sociopath, but Obadiah is actually insane. But yeah, they are very similar. See also Corbec and Harper.
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Edit: Double Post. Instead, talking of video games, any more word on that mobile Eisenhorn game?
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SRM posted:Nah, it couldn't be further from right. They're super different games and I love them both, but DoW1 is just a "build a shitload of guys and A-move somewhere" game while DoW2 involves actually using cover, tactics, flanking, unit choices, strategy, and other things you'd want from a "strategy" game. The skirmish AI in DoW2 is loving garbage though. It's a shame because DoW2 is the most fun I've ever had playing games with strangers online, and with nothing but the RPG-esque campaigns left there's not really much chance to play the game at its best. DoW2 beta multiplayer was some of the most fun I've ever had in an RTS, units were really expensive so you'd only have a few at a time, and if you caught squads by surprise with a heavy weapon or well-timed hero ability they'd die in seconds. Then for release they made everything a lot more durable and cheaper and it became more a case of blobbing around. The campaign was really addictive, though. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Both the DoW games accurately represent the hobby. For example, the first one portrays the daily grind with which you earn the money to purchase your plastic space mans fairly well.
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Arcsquad12 posted:That's a pretty lofty claim considering the only film that can top sharpe for portrayals of napoleonic warfare is waterloo. The series is still good on its budget. The claim is that the books are better than the tv show. Their tiny budget forces them to shrink the scope of the series in a way which makes it suffer compared to the book. And then sometimes they just made silly changes to simplify things or for drama or whatever.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:23
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Mechafunkzilla posted:DoW2 beta multiplayer was some of the most fun I've ever had in an RTS, units were really expensive so you'd only have a few at a time, and if you caught squads by surprise with a heavy weapon or well-timed hero ability they'd die in seconds. Then for release they made everything a lot more durable and cheaper and it became more a case of blobbing around. The campaign was really addictive, though. Yeah I can attest to DoW: Retribution's campain. Yeah it's short and half of them aren't that great or deep. The Tyranids especially so, I have never been so bored listening to the Hive Mind while using only elite tyranid units because the grunts are too fragile.
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Yeah, the Retribution campaigns aren't all that great because they're all identical with different voiceovers and heroes. The Ork campaign is fantastic though and if you only play one that should be it. 
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