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Hazo posted:Michael "Savage": "I've noticed that as Megyn Kelly sells out more to the Democrat [sic] party the more and more porcine her nostrils have become." Geeeze, don't her numerous racist statements mean anything?
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Nonsense posted:Hispanics were with Hillary until her bitter end in '08. Bill got 72% of the Hispanic vote in 92 and no presidential candidate before or since has matched that. Not even Obama. The Clinton's have been doing outreach to the Hispanic community for over three decades. In their very first race in Arkansas Hillary personally pounded pavement canvassing Latino neighborhoods. As a teenager she volunteered in a free daycare for the children of migrant laborers in her home state of Illinois. As a young college student she got a grant from the department of labor to spend a summer traveling the country surveying migrant workers about their access to education, health care, and sanitation as well as job conditions. Her report was used by Walter Mondale in the subcommittee on migrant labor to argue for reforms, and brought her to the attention of like minded legislators. When Bill was governor of Arkansas Hillary designed a set of educational reforms that massively increased funding to low income ( minority ) schools. As an adult her foundation has a branch focused on barriers to education of which I'm sure you've heard of their fight against gender barriers but they also work on barriers faced by the children of migrant laborers and ESL students. Which rounds out her life long commitment to trying to get everyone access to education. Bill Clinton does not have a personal record of achievement on issues important to Hispanics. He got 72% of the vote because he was Hillary's husband and she built that bridge and vouched for him. In 2016 they can vote for the woman herself. Not just her spouse. Current polling backs me on this as she is beating her husbands record among registered Hispanic voters. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/poll-hillary-clinton-hispanic-voters-2016-120223.html
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Aug 8, 2015 18:22
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Bait and Swatch posted:Trump's downward slide may be beginning, he got disinvited from the red-state conference. If only he'd held on for a few more months: I dunno, I bet a lot of his supporters aren't women or feminism-friendly to begin with. This will probably just shore up his status as being 'unfairly' targeted and make his people all the more zealous.
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Aug 8, 2015 18:45
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Bait and Swatch posted:Trump's downward slide may be beginning, he got disinvited from the red-state conference. If only he'd held on for a few more months: Heard this before, but someday it'll have to happen.
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Aug 8, 2015 18:46
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Shbobdb posted:You should only vote for a socialist party if it has national appeal. Nope, refusing to give your votes to the major parties is the only way to force them to give concessions in our electoral system. Voting for the status quo Democrats just tells them their rightward slide is fine as long as they stay slightly to the left of the Republicans, which I'm not cool with. As one of America's greatest socialists said, “I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it, than for what I don’t want and get it”.
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Aug 8, 2015 18:53
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Nope, refusing to give your votes to the major parties is the only way to force them to give concessions in our electoral system. When has this succeeded in reality?
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Aug 8, 2015 18:58
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Sir Tonk posted:Heard this before, but someday it'll have to happen. Let's just ride this crazy train out. I want more.
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Aug 8, 2015 19:00
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Nope, refusing to give your votes to the major parties is the only way to force them to give concessions in our electoral system. Voting for the status quo Democrats just tells them their rightward slide is fine as long as they stay slightly to the left of the Republicans, which I'm not cool with. As one of America's greatest socialists said, “I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it, than for what I don’t want and get it”. The "rightward slide" of the democrats ended in 2010. They've actually been moving to the left since then-- perhaps not far enough, and perhaps not fast enough, but it's happening.
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Aug 8, 2015 19:05
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Nintendo Kid posted:Among white internet males, sure, but that's hardly relevant to an actual election You have a bad habit of letting your personal feelings constantly dictate your analysis, you love Hillary and hate Bernie so of course Hillary is well liked and Bernie is only liked among those loser internet nerds. You might want to find a new insult for Bernie supporters because we all know you spend pretty much all day posting on these forums, most people here probably have a better idea of how Hillary is viewed by the general public than you do.
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McAlister posted:The Clinton's have been doing outreach to the Hispanic community for over three decades. In their very first race in Arkansas Hillary personally pounded pavement canvassing Latino neighborhoods. As a teenager she volunteered in a free daycare for the children of migrant laborers in her home state of Illinois. As a young college student she got a grant from the department of labor to spend a summer traveling the country surveying migrant workers about their access to education, health care, and sanitation as well as job conditions. Her report was used by Walter Mondale in the subcommittee on migrant labor to argue for reforms, and brought her to the attention of like minded legislators. When Bill was governor of Arkansas Hillary designed a set of educational reforms that massively increased funding to low income ( minority ) schools. As an adult her foundation has a branch focused on barriers to education of which I'm sure you've heard of their fight against gender barriers but they also work on barriers faced by the children of migrant laborers and ESL students. Which rounds out her life long commitment to trying to get everyone access to education. 
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Aug 8, 2015 19:35
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computer parts posted:When has this succeeded in reality? Man don't you remember when Harry Brown ran for the libertarian party in 2000 and Bush realised he lost so many votes to Libertarians that when the Patriot Act came to his desk he vetoed the hell out of it?
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Aug 8, 2015 19:44
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MaxxBot posted:You have a bad habit of letting your personal feelings constantly dictate your analysis, you love Hillary and hate Bernie so of course Hillary is well liked and Bernie is only liked among those loser internet nerds. You might want to find a new insult for Bernie supporters because we all know you spend pretty much all day posting on these forums, most people here probably have a better idea of how Hillary is viewed by the general public than you do. Errr but it's not inaccurate to say that Bernie fans are basically just white people on the internet. He's got like a 3% recognition among minorities. “The Bernie Sanders voter is still a Volvo-driving, financially comfortable liberal who is pretty much white,” is a pretty good quote.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Errr but it's not inaccurate to say that Bernie fans are basically just white people on the internet. He's got like a 3% recognition among minorities. “The Bernie Sanders voter is still a Volvo-driving, financially comfortable liberal who is pretty much white,” is a pretty good quote. Yeah it's accurate to say that they're mostly white liberals who follow politics, but they're not just white males on the internet. He's polled over 20% in several nation polls and only a few points behind Hillary in NH. I'm under no illusion that he has any chance of winning but Fishmech's constant Bernie bashing is just getting tiresome.
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Aug 8, 2015 19:50
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Errr but it's not inaccurate to say that Bernie fans are basically just white people on the internet. He's got like a 3% recognition among minorities. “The Bernie Sanders voter is still a Volvo-driving, financially comfortable liberal who is pretty much white,” is a pretty good quote. So then we should support the Warhawk neo liberal?
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Aug 8, 2015 19:53
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The_Rob posted:So then we should support the Warhawk neo liberal? Bernie will support Hillary if/when she wins the nomination so...
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Aug 8, 2015 19:55
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The_Rob posted:So then we should support the Warhawk neo liberal? Where/when did I say that? The United States is a democratic republic. You support whoever you want. It's just a fact that Bernie so far only appeals to liberal white voters. (I am a liberal white voter)
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Aug 8, 2015 20:01
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computer parts posted:When has this succeeded in reality? To repurpose another tired political meme "Any day now!"
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Aug 8, 2015 20:42
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James Garfield posted:Bernie will support Hillary if/when she wins the nomination so... The thing that ruins the Bernie camp is their complete ignorance of what Bernie wants.
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Aug 8, 2015 20:56
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computer parts posted:When has this succeeded in reality? Prohibition party?
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Aug 8, 2015 21:25
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Wasn't the new deal more or less a concession to Eugene Debs' supporters?
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Wasn't the new deal more or less a concession to Eugene Debs' supporters? no
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Aug 8, 2015 21:58
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The_Rob posted:So then we should support the Warhawk neo liberal? Bernie has supported military intervention and has in fact had a member of his own staff who was an actual pacifist loudly resign in protest over Bernie's support of bombing campaigns. Bernie was also hugely in favor of the f-35 jet and most importantly diverting funds from the jet program to companies in Vermont. Citations: Jeremy Breecher resigns from Bernie's staff over Bernie's avid support of bombing Yugoslavia: http://www.jeremybrecher.org/jeremy-brecher-resigns-from-bernie-sanders-staff/ Bernie's support of the F-35 program: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion Bonus: Bernie defends Isreal bombing Palestine: http://www.mediaite.com/online/excuse-me-shut-up-bernie-sanders-defends-israel-from-town-hall-hecklers/ Note please, stating these verifiably pieces of reality is not an insult. Bernie supporter may perceive this as an insult because they've been twisting similar actions on Hillary's part into a weapon of character assassination and an insinuation that only bad people support Hillary. They may interpret pointing out that Bernie isn't substantively different from Hillary on these matters as their bile being returned in kind. It isn't. It's noting that if Bernie can do some Bad Things you don't like but still be an overall Good Person ... So can Hillary. We agree with you that these actions aren't enough to characterize Bernie as a war mongering evil person. They also aren't enough to justify the slander you've thrown at Hillary. Please apply the same standard of evaluation to both candidates going forward. Thank you.
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Aug 8, 2015 22:19
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There is a similarity between Bernie Supporters and early Ron Paulites. Both appeared as the outsider who had good ideas that appealed to progressive, but some bad opinions that they tended to ignore. Now Ron Paul is a theocratic white supremacist, and Bernie is as far away from that as you can get, but there is a similarity of the passion white internet males have for both. Though every time a Sandernista pops up going "But Hillary was a young republican!!! and Was against gay marriage before!!!!!!!" is a really dumb argument. How the greatest sin in politics became "They changed their minds" I'll never know, but it always is used by someone who has no real criticisms. Somehow the Bush administration has integrity because they stubbornly maintain that Iraq did 9/11 and had WMDs? Though I think Hispanics probably will vote for anyone with a D by their names because its not like the Republicans are doing a good just attracting them. Oh hey, what happened to the whole ethnic outreach thing the GOP was trying to do? Where they'd send ethnic republicans into minority neighborhoods to tell them to bootstrap their way into success.
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twistedmentat posted:How the greatest sin in politics became "They changed their minds" I'll never know, but it always is used by someone who has no real criticisms. Somehow the Bush administration has integrity because they stubbornly maintain that Iraq did 9/11 and had WMDs? Remember that one of the most frequent criticisms of pro-life people here is that they aren't bloodthirsty enough.
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Aug 8, 2015 22:29
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twistedmentat posted:There is a similarity between Bernie Supporters and early Ron Paulites. Both appeared as the outsider who had good ideas that appealed to progressive, but some bad opinions that they tended to ignore. Now Ron Paul is a theocratic white supremacist, and Bernie is as far away from that as you can get, but there is a similarity of the passion white internet males have for both. Yeah I think Sanders needs to be more against the MIC especially with that lovely boondongle, and could maybe do something about police brutality as a whole. Police target blacks and hispanics more, but they all around have gotten more bold in using force so you annot just attack the polices raism, but their general attitude to the public as a whole. But then he at least also seems to want to change the entire way we talk abut things, No longer is he advocating working withinneoliberalism, but working for something better and Hillary will be nothing to me but another Clinton and we cannot afford more neoliberalism.
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I don't think anyone is presenting Bernie as am isolationist or a pacifist but he is on the dovish side favoring limited, winnable engagements. So what? It isn't just that Hillary is more hawkish but she also refused to take a principled stand against the Iraq war, which Bernie did. Bernie advocating for successful engagmenets like Yugoslavia and Libya while criticizing the mishandling of Afghanistan while it was going on and oppoasing the Iraq war seems like a fine foreign policy to me. Not ideal, sure. So what? As for the f35, the military is a major keynsian project in the US. I'd prefer other forms of government stimulus but why would a socialist oppose government sponsored job programs?
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Aug 8, 2015 22:45
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twistedmentat posted:There is a similarity between Bernie Supporters and early Ron Paulites. Both appeared as the outsider who had good ideas that appealed to progressive, but some bad opinions that they tended to ignore. Now Ron Paul is a theocratic white supremacist, and Bernie is as far away from that as you can get, but there is a similarity of the passion white internet males have for both. American culture somewhere along the line decided that beliefs were more important than facts. Everything about American politics is about ideology, labels, and playing for your own team. Republicans decide what they believe then justify it but Democrats will at the very least listen when a scientist says if an idea tested good or bad.
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:
It's a really weird, out of nowhere "criticism," too because her nose looks pretty normal to me. As a caricaturist, the only thing about Megyn Kelly I've noticed which seems to not be firmly within modern beauty standards is her chin, which can look kind of Leno-y depending on the face she's making. But again, that's not even all the time, it's only under specific circumstances, and I probably wouldn't even have noticed it if I weren't actively looking for features to exaggerate. Deep Hurting fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Aug 8, 2015 |
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Shbobdb posted:
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Deep Hurting posted:It's a really weird, out of nowhere "criticism," too because her nose looks pretty normal to me. As a caricaturist, the only thing about Megyn Kelly I've noticed which seems to not be firmly within modern beauty standards is her chin, which can look kind of Leno-y depending on the face she's making. The only thing I could think of to exaggerate in her case is how much she looks like a generic, rich white woman.
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computer parts posted:Hahahahaha. That is the weirdest knot I have ever seen someone tie themselves in, just say the military support thing is bad. He would still beat out both the clintons.
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quote:Me: “You mentioned wasteful military spending. The other day ... I’m sure you’ve heard about the F-35 catching fire on the runway. The estimated lifetime expense of the F-35 is $1.2 trillion. When you talk about cutting wasteful military spending, does that include the F-35 program?” A ringing endorsement, if ever there was one. 
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twistedmentat posted:There is a similarity between Bernie Supporters and early Ron Paulites. Both appeared as the outsider who had good ideas that appealed to progressive, but some bad opinions that they tended to ignore. Now Ron Paul is a theocratic white supremacist, and Bernie is as far away from that as you can get, but there is a similarity of the passion white internet males have for both.
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A lot of my facebook Sanderistas amiga(s?) are female.
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I'm part of a large Mexican family and the women all loving love Hillary. The men begrudgingly respect her because "she's got connections and can get things done. Also she seems to not hate Latinos." Also they laugh at what we consider corrupt here, especially the ones that spent the childhood in Mexico.
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Aug 9, 2015 01:34
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computer parts posted:When has this succeeded in reality? It seems to have worked well for Republicans and Tea Party candidates.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:American culture somewhere along the line decided that beliefs were more important than facts. Everything about American politics is about ideology, labels, and playing for your own team. Republicans decide what they believe then justify it but Democrats will at the very least listen when a scientist says if an idea tested good or bad.
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ghostwritingduck posted:It seems to have worked well for Republicans and Tea Party candidates. That is the exact opposite of not voting to get your message across.
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U.T. Raptor posted:Unless that idea is something like vaccinations or GMOs, at least. Which is something that does bug me about Sanders is that he has come out against GMOs, spouting off the crap that the Dees level crowd says. Though I cannot find the quote where he cites a bunch of really sketchy tests of gmos and such. Though I've never seen and democrats really go Anti-vax.
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