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Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!

powderific posted:

Norther Tool is having a promo right now where you get $100 off some 18v tools if you buy $15 in accessories. It's not crazy insane black friday levels, but it works for some of the more specialized tools. I'm thinking about getting the high torque impact wrench even though I already have Bosch 18v stuff.

I love that the new Milwaukee chargers do both M12 and M18.

Problem with Northern Tool is all their powered tools are like $100+ more than anyone else sells them for, so their "sales" are more like everyone else's daily prices. M12 tools are literally double the Home Depot standard prices. Good prices on a lot of decent hand tools but for power tools? gently caress those guys.

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Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

tater_salad posted:

^^^this is a real thing and it sucks..
When I was doing a deck I got a cheap foam cooler and made a "charge cooler" with chargers on one side and 2 freeze packs on the other.

This (discharging while hot) is also sadly a good way to kill Li-Ion batteries, or at least nuke their capacity by something like 50%.

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Splizwarf posted:

Problem with Northern Tool is all their powered tools are like $100+ more than anyone else sells them for, so their "sales" are more like everyone else's daily prices. M12 tools are literally double the Home Depot standard prices. Good prices on a lot of decent hand tools but for power tools? gently caress those guys.

The high torque impact is the same price as Home Depot has online, same for the M12 ratchet I was looking at but decided against. Looks like most of their other Milwaukee tools are pretty similar too? Maybe it's changed since las time you were there.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Hubis posted:

This (discharging while hot) is also sadly a good way to kill Li-Ion batteries, or at least nuke their capacity by something like 50%.

All stuff you don't have to worry about when buying something corded, and it'll work 20 year from now, assuming you didn't buy cheap poo poo.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

His Divine Shadow posted:

All stuff you don't have to worry about when buying something corded, and it'll work 20 year from now, assuming you didn't buy cheap poo poo.

This is true; but drat is it nice not dragging around a cord especially when working outside the shop.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Yes, it's a matter of what you prioritize more.

MrPete
May 17, 2007
Obviously the solution is to just buy corded and cordless. Everybody wins.

Laminator
Jan 18, 2004

You up for some serious plastic surgery?
Does storing Li ion batteries in heat affect their longevity or performance? The place I'm living now has no garage and limited storage in the house, so I'm storing my tools in a plastic deck box outside. It gets up to 100+F regularly, am I killing my batteries?

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I believe that's real bad for them, I think the best temperature is a few degrees above freezing. Below freezing is not good for them either. That's happened to me once or twice.

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

Laminator posted:

Does storing Li ion batteries in heat affect their longevity or performance? The place I'm living now has no garage and limited storage in the house, so I'm storing my tools in a plastic deck box outside. It gets up to 100+F regularly, am I killing my batteries?

Yes.



Store batteries at room temperature (and discharged if you are not planning on using them for a while). Storing them in the freezer as has been suggested on the internet seems pointless -- there's just a small (but recoverable once the cells warm up) loss in capacity at temperatures below 0'C.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
Anyone want to recommend a corded angle grinder under $100? It's for the usual grinding stuff + metal cutting. Light usage, homeowner/DIY stuff.

Here are some I'm looking at but I'm open to suggestions. It seems a little odd that each company has many different models, makes it a bit confusing to someone who has never owned one.

$60 Bosch, 7.5A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DQO7GG?ref_=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

$80 Makita, 7.5A, 4.5", w/ aluminum case
http://smile.amazon.com/Makita-9557...2Cp_89%3AMakita

$59 Dewalt, 7A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE4...72%3A1248909011

$89 Dewalt, 11A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE402-2-Inch-11-Amp-Grinder/dp/B00RVZ7DNO/ref=dp_ob_title_hi

Laminator
Jan 18, 2004

You up for some serious plastic surgery?

Hubis posted:

Yes.



Store batteries at room temperature (and discharged if you are not planning on using them for a while). Storing them in the freezer as has been suggested on the internet seems pointless -- there's just a small (but recoverable once the cells warm up) loss in capacity at temperatures below 0'C.

Welp time to drain the batteries and keep them inside

asdf32
May 15, 2010

I lust for childrens' deaths. Ask me about how I don't care if my kids die.

wormil posted:

Anyone want to recommend a corded angle grinder under $100? It's for the usual grinding stuff + metal cutting. Light usage, homeowner/DIY stuff.

Here are some I'm looking at but I'm open to suggestions. It seems a little odd that each company has many different models, makes it a bit confusing to someone who has never owned one.

$60 Bosch, 7.5A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DQO7GG?ref_=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

$80 Makita, 7.5A, 4.5", w/ aluminum case
http://smile.amazon.com/Makita-9557...2Cp_89%3AMakita

$59 Dewalt, 7A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE4...72%3A1248909011

$89 Dewalt, 11A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE402-2-Inch-11-Amp-Grinder/dp/B00RVZ7DNO/ref=dp_ob_title_hi

I havnt been a heavy user but the Makita with the case and a few accessories stood out as the best value when I got mine.

They are one of the simplest tools around with little differentiating them except power and the switch type. I decided I like the full length switch of the Makita as well. It's safer than a locking thumb switch in my opinion.

If I were buying again if go a notch down in price to porter cable or ryobi because I havnt used it much.

Hypnolobster
Apr 12, 2007

What this sausage party needs is a big dollop of ketchup! Too bad I didn't make any. :(

wormil posted:

Anyone want to recommend a corded angle grinder under $100? It's for the usual grinding stuff + metal cutting. Light usage, homeowner/DIY stuff.

Here are some I'm looking at but I'm open to suggestions. It seems a little odd that each company has many different models, makes it a bit confusing to someone who has never owned one.

$60 Bosch, 7.5A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DQO7GG?ref_=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

$80 Makita, 7.5A, 4.5", w/ aluminum case
http://smile.amazon.com/Makita-9557...2Cp_89%3AMakita

$59 Dewalt, 7A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE4...72%3A1248909011

$89 Dewalt, 11A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE402-2-Inch-11-Amp-Grinder/dp/B00RVZ7DNO/ref=dp_ob_title_hi

That 11 amp Dewalt is my favorite 4.5" grinder ever. I'm not a big fan of dewalt, but I've beat the gently caress out of them and never killed one. Bosch are generally well known for being extremely bulletproof, and they're easily the most common on big construction jobsites. I've never used the normal range of Makita grinders, just the ridiculous auto clutch/quick brake/etc version that's expensive as hell and seemed bulky.

That said, you really can't go wrong with any of those if it's just normal use. The difference between them is almost entirely ergonomics and brand preference.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


Laminator posted:

Welp time to drain the batteries and keep them inside

Don't drain them to 0 because if they go below a minimum charge they'll die.

WashinMyGoat
Jan 15, 2002

wormil posted:

Anyone want to recommend a corded angle grinder under $100? It's for the usual grinding stuff + metal cutting. Light usage, homeowner/DIY stuff.

Here are some I'm looking at but I'm open to suggestions. It seems a little odd that each company has many different models, makes it a bit confusing to someone who has never owned one.

$60 Bosch, 7.5A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DQO7GG?ref_=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

$80 Makita, 7.5A, 4.5", w/ aluminum case
http://smile.amazon.com/Makita-9557...2Cp_89%3AMakita

$59 Dewalt, 7A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE4...72%3A1248909011

$89 Dewalt, 11A, 4.5"
http://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE402-2-Inch-11-Amp-Grinder/dp/B00RVZ7DNO/ref=dp_ob_title_hi

That DeWalt DWE402 is good for the money. My company sells a boat load of them to mechanical contractors. A few upgrade to the D28114, but for under $100 you are hard pressed to find a better value.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib
I've got a Makita 4", 4.5", a Milwaukee 5"/6", and a Metabo 4.5".

They all work, but I prefer the Makita. I'm a fan of the locking switch, but the lever switch works OK for short durations.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
No clear winner on the angle grinder. The only thing holding me back on the Bosch is the guard requires a tool to move it.

ReelBigLizard
Feb 27, 2003

Fallen Rib

Laminator posted:

Welp time to drain the batteries and keep them inside

Like tater_salad said, don't drain them all the way, or even nearly all the way. If you're not going to use them for a while, leave them with at least 50-60% because they will discharge slowly over time and if they go below a certain voltage they wont come back.

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

ReelBigLizard posted:

Like tater_salad said, don't drain them all the way, or even nearly all the way. If you're not going to use them for a while, leave them with at least 50-60% because they will discharge slowly over time and if they go below a certain voltage they wont come back.

yeah, if you look at the table I shared, it lists numbers at 100% charge and 40% charge.

Sylink
Apr 17, 2004

Can anyone recommend me a brand of calipers, for woodworking? Preferably digital but I want a accurate long lasting set instead of the $12 chinese special.

peepsalot
Apr 24, 2007

        PEEP THIS...
           BITCH!

Get Mitutoyo
http://www.amazon.com/Mitutoyo-500-196-30-Advanced-Measuring-Resolution/dp/B00IG46NL2

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
No, save money and get these:
http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-Electronic-Digital-Fractions-Stainless/dp/B001AQEZ2W

This video sold me and I haven't regretted it, they've been awesome calipers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqZx_FNbSs

If you were doing machinist work then yeah, splurge for Mitutoyo; but the iGaging are an outstanding value. (and no, these aren't the same ones sold at Harbor Freight)

Here is my post about them after using them for a short while (my opinion hasn't changed).

quote:

Sold by the same folks who sell the Accuremote digital inclinometer. I chose the IP54 after watching a thorough review on Youtube by Gadget Class. Inside the retail box was a decent plastic case that held the caliper, two batteries, the instructions, and a random piece of brown waxed paper (no idea why that was in there) but it was 0.004" thick. Both batteries were good. The plastic case that came with mine is slightly different than the picture on Amazon.

Of course I set out to measure all sorts of things that needed measuring like the scrap of brown paper in the case, various doodads and whizzbangs lying around. Precision was excellent. I tried measuring with the full length of the jaws then just the tips and each time the measurement was within 0.0005". Then I checked it against the only semi accurate things I own, drill bits. All my 1/4" drill bits were undersize and within 0.001" of each other, either 0.247" or 0.248". What does that mean? Nothing I suppose. I lack any set up blocks or anything made to a high degree of accuracy. Printer paper is supposed to be 0.004" and this agreed, that's the best I can do. My needs are modest, I'm not a machinist, so I'm sure these are plenty accurate for my purposes. The caliper itself felt well made, has good weight and no obvious defects. The thumb wheel moves freely. The display is large and numbers are easy to read under fluorescent lighting. Overall I am very happy with these. During the last few weeks I keep finding uses for this in my woodshop. It has become something I use on every project.

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Nice, I was just thinking about replacing a lovely set of digital calipers that went bad. It's one of those things that I always wind up wishing I had, but can never remember why when I'm actually shopping for one.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezp-_DcUgg And this is why I bought the makita version for 1/3rd the price.

oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.
If you want digital calipers that will last and be accurate, get mitutoyo. There is no competition that comes close.

If you don't want to spend the money, go on ebay and get an old set of vernier calipers. They're just as accurate and way tougher than anything with gears or electronics.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I have a digital pair and a vernier pair (2nd hand mitutoyo, 20 bucks). I almost never use the digital ones.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Does the thread have a suggestion for an entry-level dial indicator? It would mostly be used for measuring out of round drums and warped brake rotors. Mitutoyo again?

Catfish Stevens
Jul 9, 2001

WHO DAT? Who gives a damn?

wormil posted:

No, save money and get these:
http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-Electronic-Digital-Fractions-Stainless/dp/B001AQEZ2W

This video sold me and I haven't regretted it, they've been awesome calipers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqZx_FNbSs

If you were doing machinist work then yeah, splurge for Mitutoyo; but the iGaging are an outstanding value. (and no, these aren't the same ones sold at Harbor Freight)

Here is my post about them after using them for a short while (my opinion hasn't changed).

I concur. I have these (an older model) and some Mitutoyos. Let's just say I seem to have a talent at losing calipers and finding them later so I decided to try buying some cheap backups. While I won't say that these are better I can't tell the difference most of the time; they are pretty much interchangeable. It seems they've added the fraction thing since I bought mine, so another plus if you don't have your fractions memorized. If you're not a machinist, you don't need Mitutoyos imo.

Squibbles
Aug 24, 2000

Mwaha ha HA ha!

Catfish Stevens posted:

I concur. I have these (an older model) and some Mitutoyos. Let's just say I seem to have a talent at losing calipers and finding them later so I decided to try buying some cheap backups. While I won't say that these are better I can't tell the difference most of the time; they are pretty much interchangeable. It seems they've added the fraction thing since I bought mine, so another plus if you don't have your fractions memorized. If you're not a machinist, you don't need Mitutoyos imo.

I was browing through AvE's videos the other week and saw he had a few where he looks at Calipers. One of the things he mentioned is that the Mitutoyo's have temperature compensation built in. So they maintain the same accuracy even if you are using them outside in the cold or on a really warm day.

I wonder if the EzCal ones do that too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDhRqhA_SiQ

He also has another vid where he looks at a set of fake Mitutoyo's and finds out stuff like as the battery gets weaker the measurement changes. So if the battery is almost dead all your measurements will be off and there's no low battery light or anything to let you know that might be occuring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnDype-j3hk

Squibbles fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Aug 24, 2015

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

Catfish Stevens posted:

I concur. I have these (an older model) and some Mitutoyos. Let's just say I seem to have a talent at losing calipers and finding them later so I decided to try buying some cheap backups. While I won't say that these are better I can't tell the difference most of the time; they are pretty much interchangeable. It seems they've added the fraction thing since I bought mine, so another plus if you don't have your fractions memorized. If you're not a machinist, you don't need Mitutoyos imo.

I use the fractions when I measure something small and need to know the closest fractional drill bit to match; otherwise I rarely bother with fractions. As a woodworker if I'm going to spend $120 on a tool, it isn't going to be a caliper.

Anubis
Oct 9, 2003

It's hard to keep sand out of ears this big.
Fun Shoe
So the nearest local ACE store to me revamped to True Value and now is going to move to a new location about half a mile away from it's current spot. Everything went on sale at least 10-20% (most of it 30% or more) and all ace branded stuff was around 50% off.


Needing absolutely nothing, I managed to spend $175. I might be ready to admit I have a problem.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
My favorite is buying a duplicate tool because I can never find the one I already have

Spookydonut
Sep 13, 2010

"Hello alien thoughtbeasts! We murder children!"
~our children?~
"Not recently, no!"
~we cool bro~
I'm looking to get a drill press but don't have a lot of money to burn, also considering getting a rotary tool (like a dremmel), then I saw some stands you mount a rotary tool in to turn it into a makeshift drill press. Are they any good or would be better to just keep looking for cheap second hand drill presses?
Trying to gear up to etch and drill my own circuit boards.

Deedle
Oct 17, 2011
before you ask, yes I did inform the DMV of my condition and medication, and I passed the medical and psychological evaluation when I got my license. I've passed them every time I have gone to renew my license.

Spookydonut posted:

I'm looking to get a drill press but don't have a lot of money to burn, also considering getting a rotary tool (like a dremmel), then I saw some stands you mount a rotary tool in to turn it into a makeshift drill press. Are they any good or would be better to just keep looking for cheap second hand drill presses?
Trying to gear up to etch and drill my own circuit boards.
A good stand, say a Proxxon or Wolfcraft will cost as much as a poo poo quality drillpress.

I usually just use a dremel with one of those flex heads and drill the PCB by hand.
Of course if you need to drill a lot of holes really close together there are very few tools as good for the job as a Proxxon drill press.

Sylink
Apr 17, 2004

Thanks for the caliper recommendations, I have to get digital because my vision isn't the best and reading the tiny scales is hard for me on the pre/non digital ones.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Anubis posted:

So the nearest local ACE store to me revamped to True Value and now is going to move to a new location about half a mile away from it's current spot. Everything went on sale at least 10-20% (most of it 30% or more) and all ace branded stuff was around 50% off.


Needing absolutely nothing, I managed to spend $175. I might be ready to admit I have a problem.

Hell, you say that like it's a bad thing.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Anubis posted:

So the nearest local ACE store to me revamped to True Value and now is going to move to a new location about half a mile away from it's current spot. Everything went on sale at least 10-20% (most of it 30% or more) and all ace branded stuff was around 50% off.


Needing absolutely nothing, I managed to spend $175. I might be ready to admit I have a problem.

I got a gift certificate to ACE, wandered into the store with zero idea of what they had / what I needed, walked out with $50 worth of clamps. You can always use more clamps.

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Apr 8, 2004


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wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

Spookydonut posted:

I'm looking to get a drill press but don't have a lot of money to burn, also considering getting a rotary tool (like a dremmel), then I saw some stands you mount a rotary tool in to turn it into a makeshift drill press. Are they any good or would be better to just keep looking for cheap second hand drill presses?
Trying to gear up to etch and drill my own circuit boards.

The Dremel DP stands I've seen are junk that's why many people build one. I'm sure there are good ones, I've just not seen them.

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