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Problem with that is they're basically murder in a can. You just drop one onto a planet, pop the stasis lock and watch things die.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 13:51 |
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That's how they're normally depicted, yes, but the thing that I find fun about working with the 40K setting is that it's big enough that there's always room for doing it differently. If some minor branch of the Officio Assassinorum decides to not freeze its Eversors in between missions, it doesn't interfere with the established picture at all, in my mind. I actually started writing that piece last night, after making that post, so I'll keep at it until it's done and then post it, see what everyone thinks. Then I'll go back to Doc Eldar, the next story being an immediate follow-on to the most recent one I posted, with the Inquisition hunting for him on the ship. Hopefully it generates more interest than my last one, hah.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 15:58 |
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Problem with Eversors is they kind of explode if they get excited. The get excited basically all the time. They're living plasma grenades with no pin, and the spoon held down by a dude who likes to knife orphans.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 20:14 |
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Arquinsiel posted:Problem with that is they're basically murder in a can. You just drop one onto a planet, pop the stasis lock and watch things die. Yeah but sometimes theyre just kept sedated with like soothing hymns and poo poo pumped into their brains, or is that arcoflagellants i forget Anyway the twist is that the entire zen thing is in his head and occurred in super-speed before being released
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 20:19 |
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Mange Mite posted:Yeah but sometimes theyre just kept sedated with like soothing hymns and poo poo pumped into their brains, or is that arcoflagellants i forget
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 20:26 |
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You could do it as like, kind of a rehab type thing. It's super soothing because they're teaching them how to NOT get excited to save money on sedatives or whatever. I'm game to read it, I think you can make it work, Kylaer
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 20:39 |
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Alternately, make it so the calmness and tranquility is an absolute necessity and enforced, otherwise the Eversors will wake up and slaughter everyone on the planet.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 20:53 |
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I definitely think it's a strong idea for a short story in 40K. The assassinorum keep everything top secret (and BL aren't exactly going to be enforcing purity tests on random internet short stories) so I think it's perfectly possible to set the background for Eversor training/preparation as requiring them to enforce a super human level of calm in order to minimise their chances of exploding on missions. Hell we've seen some pretty big disparity in their depiction. Afaik they'd always been portrayed as near mindless slaughter machines barely capable of telling fried from foe from the moment they unfreeze, then Nemesis comes along and they're just a grumpy action movie trope. The idea of having the calmness and serenity turn out to be permanently balanced on a knife edge as the twist at the end (so any acting heretical or messing up somehow triggering murderously aggressive responses) could be great, maybe with it being told from the perspective of a neophyte inquisitor investigating reports of strange behaviour from this fortress monastery which doesn't seem to be known to the Ecclesiarchy. Edit: gently caress it, I think whatever idea Kylaer has is going to be better than mine
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 22:48 |
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Arquinsiel posted:Problem with Eversors is they kind of explode if they get excited. The get excited basically all the time. They're living plasma grenades with no pin, and the spoon held down by a dude who likes to knife orphans. A serene, enforcedly quiet and calm temple sounds very much like the sort of place where you could avoid unwanted excitement. Maybe this is how they manage things while outside stasis pods? I mean, someone has to train them, put them in pods, ship them off, there has to be people awake somewhere.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:17 |
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Waci posted:A serene, enforcedly quiet and calm temple sounds very much like the sort of place where you could avoid unwanted excitement. Maybe this is how they manage things while outside stasis pods? I mean, someone has to train them, put them in pods, ship them off, there has to be people awake somewhere. Alternatively, maybe it's for training the people who have to work with the Eversors. I could see Eversors being conditioned to go off on the slightest hint of hostility, so the Eversor temple priests and attendants undergo training to be as serene and peaceful as possible in order to approach and work with Eversors without getting butchered.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:29 |
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As far as I can tell from the old Assassins Codex releases they sort of... don't manage them. Eversors are deployed when you want to make a statement, if that statement is "your walls would look better red, and full of bullet holes".
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:06 |
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Arquinsiel posted:As far as I can tell from the old Assassins Codex releases they sort of... don't manage them. Eversors are deployed when you want to make a statement, if that statement is "your walls would look better red, and full of bullet holes". True, but I figure that as already noted, someone had to train and equip the Eversor before they were ready to become fully fledged Assassins. Nemesis says there are ways to imprint Eversors with knowledge while they're in stasis, but such machines aren't always reliable. The grumpy ultra-violent Eversor in that book is pumped up on sedatives to keep him from going completely apeshit like Eversors normally are.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:20 |
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I haven't read Nemesis, since everyone said it was a bad book. I'm just going off some basic Eversor fluff from the rulebooks and such, with my own spin. Waci posted:A serene, enforcedly quiet and calm temple sounds very much like the sort of place where you could avoid unwanted excitement. Maybe this is how they manage things while outside stasis pods? I mean, someone has to train them, put them in pods, ship them off, there has to be people awake somewhere. This is very much along the lines of what I'm writing, yes. It's not going to be an action-packed piece, it's more exploration of the setting. Arquinsiel posted:You know what? gently caress my objections. If anyone can make it work it'll be Kylaer. It makes me so proud to read stuff like this, I love being able to write stuff that you all enjoy, seriously.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 02:30 |
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Kylaer posted:I haven't read Nemesis, since everyone said it was a bad book. I'm just going off some basic Eversor fluff from the rulebooks and such, with my own spin. I think Nemesis is a stupid but enjoyable book that simply has no place being in the Horus Heresy series and probably should not have tried to make the assassins relatable and human. It's portrayed as a big deal that they're keeping an Eversor awake for more than a few hours and trying to make him able to work with a team. According to Nemesis, the normal state of Eversors is a drug-induced bliss as they kill and explode everything in sight like the pretty angels in their dreams told them to. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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The average Eversor on its way to work
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 03:30 |
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Any thoughts on the "Beast arises" stuff that's going around?
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# ? Oct 14, 2015 19:39 |
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GannerOne posted:Any thoughts on the "Beast arises" stuff that's going around? Gonna be an Ork incursion? BL will probably handle it like the HH series - various authors do a couple books each, each book focusing on one aspect/battle of the war as a whole. Judging by things of late, books will be pretty expensive, there will be "limited" exclusives, and the cover art will be bad.
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# ? Oct 14, 2015 20:02 |
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I'd love to read more Warhammer lore from a limited perspective. There always seems to be an omnipresent voice that is aware of all the different players, but I would love a guardsman story or even a regular Imperial citizen who is completely ignorant of the greater galaxy beyond strict rules to prevent cults and Orks = bad.
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# ? Oct 14, 2015 21:42 |
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GannerOne posted:Any thoughts on the "Beast arises" stuff that's going around? If memory serves, it's all going off a couple of brief mentions in the 6th Edition core. In M32 a huge Waaagh starts up, even bigger than Ullanor. There isn't another one to rival it until Ghazghkull comes along. Aside from that, I'd guess that since the Beheading occurs only a few years after the start of this Waaagh, they'll probably go into that some. The Imperial Fists are supposed to be one of the major Imperial forces arrayed against them. That's pretty much all we know.
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# ? Oct 14, 2015 21:54 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'd love to read more Warhammer lore from a limited perspective. There always seems to be an omnipresent voice that is aware of all the different players, but I would love a guardsman story or even a regular Imperial citizen who is completely ignorant of the greater galaxy beyond strict rules to prevent cults and Orks = bad. Have you read 15 Hours ? Read it, it's just that.
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# ? Oct 15, 2015 04:46 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'd love to read more Warhammer lore from a limited perspective. There always seems to be an omnipresent voice that is aware of all the different players, but I would love a guardsman story or even a regular Imperial citizen who is completely ignorant of the greater galaxy beyond strict rules to prevent cults and Orks = bad. Pariah is told from a very limited perspective.
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# ? Oct 15, 2015 13:42 |
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A problem with the village idiot routine is that at some point the author is contractually obligated to spell out the basics of the setting. BL rules or just laziness, at some point you will get a digression explaining that Chaos is actually terrible and that the Imperium, no matter how lovely it is, is actually Humanities last best hope. If you're lucky it's after the village idiot has been gutted and they get a shot of Emps before fading to black. If you're not lucky, a literal trickster Daemon explains it before fading into the Warp. I love my spacemans books, but a book written from Trezyan the Infinite's perspective would be so much better. I just want to read about autistic space-skeletons recreating the Fall of Horus.
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# ? Oct 15, 2015 13:53 |
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Finally got a hold of Sabbat Crusade. The downside is that the mass retail edition does not have the reprint of The Sabbat Worlds Crusade book in it, or any of the concept art. Kind of a bummer, but then this is Games Workshop and they are shitheads who think that making limited prints of a book increases their value. Just loving rerelease the sourcebook you assholes, you've been rereleasing the Ghosts series, loving do it.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 18:27 |
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Oh that's what I was in in the limited run one? Here I thought it was a sequel or expanded version of the book I've had for ages (and love). If anything they should just do a re-release of those books because at least the Sabbat Crusade one is amazing while the rest are mostly so and so. Where is my Sabbat Crusade sequel that mentions what happened after His Last Command?!
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 19:03 |
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Cooked Auto posted:Oh that's what I was in in the limited run one? Here I thought it was a sequel or expanded version of the book I've had for ages (and love). Yeah the limited edition Sabbat Crusade (Not Sabbat Worlds Crusade or Sabbat Worlds, confusing I know) featured full artwork of the Sons of Sek, Gol Kolea and Tona Criid, as well as a reprint of the Sabbat Worlds Crusade Sourcebook. The mass market Sabbat Crusade just features the short stories, no artwork and no sourcebook reprint. And there is no way I am paying two hundred dollars for a used copy of the sourcebook on Amazon. The Gaunt's Ghosts reprints are up to Honour Guard now. Nice to see some new artwork, but I'm sticking with the old books for having loving great covers. Though I guess Honour Guard does use old artwork as well.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 19:09 |
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Ah okay, it's a bummer to miss out on the art I can admit because there weren't that much of it in the Sabbat World Crusades book, just a bunch of good to decent photoshops of stock images most of the time. At least they bothered releasing it for the mass market seeing as one of the stories there was a mandatory read for (whenever) Warmaster comes out. Still haven't actually finished it yet because it will probably be the last BL book I'll be reading for another year or so. I almost like the old pocket covers more than the never ones. Never really meshed with the Clint Langely covers for the omnibuses for that part.
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# ? Oct 17, 2015 01:33 |
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Cooked Auto posted:Ah okay, it's a bummer to miss out on the art I can admit because there weren't that much of it in the Sabbat World Crusades book, just a bunch of good to decent photoshops of stock images most of the time. Straight Silver still has one of my favorite Black Library cover illustrations ever.
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# ? Oct 17, 2015 03:53 |
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Alright, I got cooking on this one and brought it to a conclusion. If I may digress for a bit, there's a bit in a Terry Pratchett Discworld book where he talks about inspiration actually being contained in discrete particles which fly through space-time, and when they strike a brain they deposit their contents. Which, depending on the actual artistic talent of the person who gets the inspiration, may lead to impressive results or rather less so; he mentioned a character whose brain was a magnet for poetry inspiration but who was a horrible poet, and thus composed tons of awful poems. Since he was also a king, he then inflicted his poems on his subjects, who were obligated to act like they enjoyed them. Sometimes I feel like that, that I have inspirations and ideas that my writing talents just can't bring into proper form. I hope you all think this one turned out decently. quote:Describe to me, Lord General, what you want in the background. You have time to think on it, plenty of time; I expect I'll need six or seven hours of you here in the studio, split over two, maybe three sessions. Good thing you don't need to hold still the whole time, eh? Getting all the details of your uniform coat done right, that's two hours of work by itself, not even including the medals. But the background, I can work on that after your centerpiece is done, so I want to make sure you're happy with the plan before I set to work.
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# ? Oct 20, 2015 02:37 |
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Arquinsiel posted:You know what? gently caress my objections. If anyone can make it work it'll be Kylaer.
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# ? Oct 20, 2015 10:55 |
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I wish i hadn't know it was Eversor. Excellent work!
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# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:55 |
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Um... holy poo poo
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# ? Oct 20, 2015 21:39 |
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Sandweed posted:I wish i hadn't know it was Eversor. Yeah. The story owned and it would have owned even more if I hadn't known the background from earlier in the thread. Spring this on an unsuspecting audience and glorious things will happen.
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# ? Oct 20, 2015 23:16 |
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I'm glad you all enjoyed it! If you have any specific feedback - things you liked, things that I could have done better - I'd be happy to hear it. I am always seeking to become a better writer. The concept of a slow-motion duel was the inspiration that got me to write the whole piece. That's usually the way of things, I get one image in my mind and then have to write a story to support it.
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# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:27 |
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Great story!
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# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:58 |
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That was awesome. I dug that there was a slow burn for the big reveal.
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# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:01 |
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What is Rob Sanders known for? In Sabbat Crusade he wrote the short story The Blood Bound, and I felt it was pretty mediocre.
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# ? Oct 21, 2015 03:33 |
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That was fuckin' fantastic. You're really good, Kylaer. Even if I can never remember exactly how to spell your name on the first try.
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# ? Oct 21, 2015 03:53 |
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I recently picked up Xenos and First and Only from a bookstore and loved the hell out of them, ordered the next two of each series. The first one I chose to read was Ghostmaker and... well, it's not what I expected. Is it just entirely vignettes? It's not that I hate it or anything, but First and Only already gave me a pretty good feel for most of these characters, so I'm kind of wishing they would pick one story and stick with it. Would I miss much by just starting Necropolis and going back to it at some later point?
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# ? Oct 21, 2015 06:49 |
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Not really, Ghostmaker is pretty forgettable. Especially when you start getting into Necropolis.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:I recently picked up Xenos and First and Only from a bookstore and loved the hell out of them, ordered the next two of each series. The first one I chose to read was Ghostmaker and... well, it's not what I expected. Is it just entirely vignettes? It's not that I hate it or anything, but First and Only already gave me a pretty good feel for most of these characters, so I'm kind of wishing they would pick one story and stick with it. Would I miss much by just starting Necropolis and going back to it at some later point? The Dorden, Caffran, Bragg and Larkin stories are the reason you read Ghostmaker. It also offhandedly talks about the most spectacular Archenemy defeat of the entire crusade that gets overlooked by the imperial Bureaucrats.
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# ? Oct 21, 2015 13:17 |