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mallamp posted:Is it Literature though? It's like ancient equivalent of self help books sold as giant bargain bundle on amazon not exactly, but whether the Bible itself counts as Literature is kind of a pointless discussion because it has been so strongly influential on western literature and art that knowledge of the Bible (or at least knowing some of the basic stories and concepts in it) is kind of essential if you are interested in those.
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Burning Rain posted:Snow Country is a short novel, but it demands undivided attention to the smallest details throughout the book. I haven't read his microfiction, though. If you're interested in the genre,I can recommend Peter Handke, Lydia Davies or Eduardo Galeano. I'm sure some of their microfiction work had appeared online, so you can see if it appeals to you. Thanks, I read Lydia Davis already so I'll take a look at those others.
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mallamp posted:Is it Literature though? It's like ancient equivalent of self help books sold as giant bargain bundle on amazon Durr. Hurr
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Dec 12, 2015 23:14
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Ok since no one offered any suggestions  I picked up the Luminaries.
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Dec 13, 2015 00:53
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I haven't read the Luminaries but I did read some grumpy NZ literary guy's scathing review of it, where he basically says that it's a bloated pastiche of the victorian novel, and that like most of the NZ literature that's actually been widely read it's not very good. That guy is some kinda weird conservative though so maybe he's full of poo poo.
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Dec 13, 2015 02:06
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mallamp posted:Is it Literature though? It's like ancient equivalent of self help books sold as giant bargain bundle on amazon It certainly isn't just self-help, have you actually read parts of the bible? And large parts of it are Literature. If I'm reading the bible in english, it's the new oxford annotated bible because of the fantastic annotation.
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Dec 13, 2015 02:33
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A human heart posted:I haven't read the Luminaries but I did read some grumpy NZ literary guy's scathing review of it, where he basically says that it's a bloated pastiche of the victorian novel, and that like most of the NZ literature that's actually been widely read it's not very good. That guy is some kinda weird conservative though so maybe he's full of poo poo. Oh no I better return it
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Dec 13, 2015 02:42
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I just checked out City On Fire for my long book I'm going to read like a third of over winter break
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Dec 13, 2015 02:50
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I feel like if you are going to read a bible for culture's sake might as well be the KJV because that is the most consciously reflected in culture
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Dec 13, 2015 03:43
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Has anyone ever read Parallel Stories by Peter Nadas? I am going to give it a third try this year but man the first two tries fizzled out hard. There are only so many chapters I can take of a man smelling his own balls.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Has anyone ever read Parallel Stories by Peter Nadas? I am going to give it a third try this year but man the first two tries fizzled out hard. There are only so many chapters I can take of a man smelling his own balls. in addition to soundtracks we need scratch and sniff, apparently. Swagger Dagger please post your impressions as you go. I loved that book so much
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blue squares posted:Oh no I better return it I got a sort of water-logged copy of The Luminaries for trading a second-hand bookman some politics textbooks I picked out of the paper recycling. But if I ever see a second-hand Cities on Fire, you bet I'll pay as much as £6 for it. Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Dec 13, 2015 12:33
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mallamp posted:Is it Literature though? It's like ancient equivalent of self help books sold as giant bargain bundle on amazon clicked this thread because it is the only thread that isn't about Harry Potter or Harry Potter in space, and then found the worst possible opinion on what is literature instantly anyway
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Grandmother of Five posted:clicked this thread because it is the only thread that isn't about Harry Potter or Harry Potter in space, and then found the worst possible opinion on what is literature instantly anyway welcome to The Book Barn.
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Dec 13, 2015 15:40
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I am reading the Mersault Investigation right now. It has be thinking of other post-colonial or just post-modern revisions of classic fiction We got Wide Sargasso Sea Windward Heights Anyone know other books that have been "revised" or "reperspectived" into new books?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am reading the Mersault Investigation right now. It has be thinking of other post-colonial or just post-modern revisions of classic fiction Foe by Coetzee is a pretty good take on Robinson Crusoe.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am reading the Mersault Investigation right now. It has be thinking of other post-colonial or just post-modern revisions of classic fiction Let's see, a few that probably fit the bill: Young Bergdorf Goodman Brown by Mark Leyner Ragtime by E.L. Doctorow (rewriting Michael Kohlhaas by Heinrich von Kleist) The Public Burning by Robert Coover is basically rewriting Horatio Alger's Ragged Dick novels, though I think the book kind of points this out itself iirc Middle Passage by Charles Johnson is partially tackling Moby Dick and pretty much directly rewrites Benito Cerino also, though that's a short story Then there's intertextual stuff that isn't a rewrite per se, but directly responds to another piece, like DFW's Westward the Course of Empire Takes its Way being heavily linked to Barth's Lost in the Funhouse.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Ragtime by E.L. Doctorow (rewriting Michael Kohlhaas by Heinrich von Kleist) Ragtime, is more like "classic story retold in a new era." I mean novels that explicitly exist in the same universe as the original story from a different perspective. Oh gently caress Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead too
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Dec 14, 2015 01:47
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Ragtime, is more like "classic story retold in a new era." I mean novels that explicitly exist in the same universe as the original story from a different perspective. Ah gotcha, that's a tough one. Hmm, there's Jack Maggs by Peter Carey, which is basically Great Expectations from the perspective of Magwitch. If the source doesn't explicitly have to be a novel, there's Tom Cho's Look Who's Morphing, which is a collection of stories told from the perspective of characters from movies / shows / etc. that usually go completely off the rails.
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Swagger Dagger posted:I just checked out City On Fire for my long book I'm going to read like a third of over winter break Report back on how this is please.
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The Wind Done Gone?
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Grendel, too.
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Dec 14, 2015 03:41
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I really like supernatural horror. The Accursed for example, was delightful. Does anyone in this thread have recommendations that they think I'd like if I liked that a lot?
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Hate Fibration posted:I really like supernatural horror. The Accursed for example, was delightful. Does anyone in this thread have recommendations that they think I'd like if I liked that a lot? Turn of the Screw, Haunting of Hill House
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I'm reading Beauty is a Wound by Eka Kurniawan. It's about this whore in Indonesia and her family (her forebears and her daughters, etc. etc), and covers stuff like the Japanese invasion during WWII, the fight for independence from the Dutch, etc. I've been enjoying it, kinda reminds me of an east/south Asian version of 100 Years of Solitude - though with less magic realism. (Yeah, the main character comes back to life after being dead for 21 years, but that's pretty much the only weird/supernatural thing that's happened so far.) Also City on Fire and Luminaries were both quite good I thought, but I have a lot of patience with really really long books.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Ragtime, is more like "classic story retold in a new era." I mean novels that explicitly exist in the same universe as the original story from a different perspective. the penelopiad
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Grendel, too.
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I'm sorry guys I now understand that Bible, a book written in Spirit of Jesus our Lord and Savior is the only book worth reading I've joined westboro baptist church where we read it every day. gently caress Odyssey, this is the beginning and end of capital L literature I cursed on internets so I must cutoff my ethernet cable and go and repent now, sorry again my brothers and god bless
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mallamp posted:I'm sorry guys I now understand that Bible, a book written in Spirit of Jesus our Lord and Savior is the only book worth reading What's your problem with the bible mate Also the iliad is vastly more important than odysseia
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even if the bible is often really boring in itself, lots of literature makes allusions to it having a decent grasp of the bible really helps one appreciate a lot of books
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:is Grendel any good? It piques my interest but everything I've read about it makes it sound very my-first-philosophical-novel (to read, not for the author) It's a bit cheezy but overall I found it to be a pretty good and entertaining read. But I read it like 15 years ago so I don't remember it terribly well. Hate Fibration posted:I really like supernatural horror. The Accursed for example, was delightful. Does anyone in this thread have recommendations that they think I'd like if I liked that a lot? The Mysteries of Udolpho
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:is Grendel any good? It piques my interest but everything I've read about it makes it sound very my-first-philosophical-novel (to read, not for the author) It's better than most readers give it credit for being.
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Yeah, Grendel isn't bad at all. It's not mindblowing or anything, but it's an interesting read. If you like Sartre's fiction at all (in terms of both philosophy and prose) you'd probably enjoy it.
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mallamp posted:I'm sorry guys I now understand that Bible, a book written in Spirit of Jesus our Lord and Savior is the only book worth reading The bible is not remotely similar to a self help book, either in content, style or social function, which is what you said. Whether you think it's the word of god or not is irrelevant.
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A human heart posted:The bible is not remotely similar to a self help book, either in content, style or social function, which is what you said. Whether you think it's the word of god or not is irrelevant.
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Idk guys I read the bible and it inspired me to collect a bunch of foreskins and I'm feeling pretty good about that.
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Cloks posted:Idk guys I read the bible and it inspired me to collect a bunch of foreskins and I'm feeling pretty good about that. yeah same
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hi childfuck thread, just read crime and punishment and was wondering why raskolnikov killed the pawnbroker. thanks in advance!
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Normal Adult Human posted:hi childfuck thread, just read crime and punishment and was wondering why raskolnikov killed the pawnbroker. thanks in advance! A lot of it comes down to this idea that Luzhin puts forth about "loving yourself above all else," and how he's convinced that acquiring wealth for oneself also acquires wealth for others. This echoes the conversation Raskolnikov overhears in the tavern, about killing someone and using their wealth for the common good of others. Raskolnikov later tries to justify himself by claiming that people with strong wills exert mastery over others--they are more just, more right. He deludes himself into thinking that killing her is in the service of humanity. When he's talking to Sonia, he essentially admits that he did it to bridge that gap, to become "daring." The irony of course is that nothing that comes from it actually ends up contributing to the "common good," even though that's basically the crux of Raskolnikov's self-justification for the act. Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Normal Adult Human posted:hi childfuck thread, just read crime and punishment and was wondering why raskolnikov killed the pawnbroker. thanks in advance! he was starving, sick and really poor and came up with a justification for robbing and killing a wealthy and detested woman
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