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fishmech posted:There's no debate, it's pretty clear that the 1099 economy is a massive attack on worker's rights, and it's all being kept afloat by massive injections of venture capital to keep cost to the consumer low enough for mass usage. No not always so gently caress off. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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On Terra Firma posted:No not always so gently caress off. Nice argument, app boy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gail Wynand posted:I think my "favorite" thing about Uber is that they promoted David Plouffe out of his job because he wasn't enough of a douche for them. His twitter is stupid. Interspersed with tweets about grassroots, progressiveness and Obama are corporate tweets about Uber. Also his election book sucked.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:I use the phrase "mass atrocity" to describe events where large numbers of civilians are killed but it doesn't meet the stupidly specific intent criteria of genocide/ethnic cleansing. Russia and China's upset over the American intervention is definitely something I remember at the time, but I haven't seen anything about it in years and lately i've begun to worry I hallucinated the whole controversy. Do you have any link or reference? I'm still interested because it was supposedly important to Obama's reasoning w/r/t the conflict in Syria, but I haven't read any articles that mentioned it in years.
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On Terra Firma posted:No not always so gently caress off. 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:
Hold on, he's right. I stopped accusing him for causing the Flint crisis and I suddenly had the time to do some complex modeling and print me out a solution. Let's see what the print out says... It says we should... Increase government regulations‽ 
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Actually you'll find the people who made the decisions that led to the flint water problem we're only in power because of government regulations that put them there! Therefore libertarianism is the one true way and 
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Squalid posted:Russia and China's upset over the American intervention is definitely something I remember at the time, but I haven't seen anything about it in years and lately i've begun to worry I hallucinated the whole controversy. Do you have any link or reference? I'm still interested because it was supposedly important to Obama's reasoning w/r/t the conflict in Syria, but I haven't read any articles that mentioned it in years. You didn't hallucinate it, but it was part of a seriously arcane debate on the legality of the use of force internationally, so it wasn't really covered in the media much or from the angle you'd expect. The Syrian debacle has also become totally stuck in the web of international politics and regional interests, so no one cares much about why international force was never deployed. I'll cite references when I'm not phone posting and can dig up the old research I did when the Libyan and Syrian situations were evolving simultaneously.
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Just now catching up on the debate and lol what were they thinking having the wife of Alan Greenspan moderating a debate with Bernie Sanders. Granted he shut her down but that's just as bad as the CNBC debate having the Mad Money guy and that one dude who created the Tea Party. Bern had a great debate imho, Clinton tacked left by emphasizing keeping the ball rolling, and MOM sounded good when he got a chance to speak and may be vying for a spot with Bernie if he takes the cake. He had a lot of the same "oh god don't let this end now, like this" energy of Santorum from the GOP undercard table without any of the gibbering crusader psychosis The biggest thing was the difference in questions between this and the GOP debate. Despite Cruz and Trump going at it that debate was just loving awful because the questions were just heavy handed softballs for 2+ hours because they didn't want the GOP to have a hissy fit again. This one felt more lively. edit - i mean don't get me wrong, a good amount of dumb questions still, but I'm afraid you'd have to try really hard to top the dumbness of the most recent GOP debate Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Sometimes I wish that the southern vote doesn't mean that much.
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Grouchio posted:Sometimes I wish that the southern vote doesn't mean that much. I wish Rockefeller had never cured their hookworm epidemic.
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Grouchio posted:Sometimes I wish that the southern vote doesn't mean that much. How much should it mean?
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One Nation One Economy One App Going for that Authoritarian vote
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toanoradian posted:How much should it mean? Nothing. 
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toanoradian posted:How much should it mean? Idunno, 3/5 sounds like a good compromise.
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Only important liberals are white liberals
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Rhesus Pieces posted:
Its true, its pointless to point fingers because everybody knows its his fault.
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hobbesmaster posted:Its true, its pointless to point fingers because everybody knows its his fault. And any time wasted trying to find other coconspirators delays solving the Flint water crisis by removing the man who oversaw it, Gov Rick Snyder.
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lamentable dustman posted:Only important liberals are white liberals This is such a tired statement. I can't think of a bigger concern troll that exists right now.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Define worker's rights. A minimum wage. Health benefits. Ability to unionize. When in a position that involves driving, the ability to either use a company owned and maintained car, or to have necessary fuel and repair costs reimbursed by the company for use of the personal car. Providing appropriate tax withholding. Making provisions for paid vacation Now why do you oppose these things? On Terra Firma posted:No not always so gently caress off. Why do you support removing worker's rights? I'm sorry but the 1099 shtick they're pulling is all about trying to dodge proper pay and other regulations so that they bleed venture capital cash a little slower.
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Pohl posted:This is such a tired statement. I can't think of a bigger concern troll that exists right now. And yet the gently caress the South circle jerk remains a thread constant
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Rygar201 posted:And yet the gently caress the South circle jerk remains a thread constant Yeah plenty of other states to gently caress that aren't in the south. Like Kansas.
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Rygar201 posted:And yet the gently caress the South circle jerk remains a thread constant Well, if we had real elections that didn't favor certain parts of the country over others, maybe this wouldn't be an issue.
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fishmech posted:Why do you support removing worker's rights? I'm sorry but the 1099 shtick they're pulling is all about trying to dodge proper pay and other regulations so that they bleed venture capital cash a little slower. I don't support removing workers rights, but all of my employees are 1099s (as am I) and it gets really old hearing about how that system of employment means you don't have proper pay or follow the proper regulations. I have workers comp and I pay everyone really well for what they do, but it would be impossible to hire them as salaried/hourly employees. Uber is absolute loving trash for the way they use their workers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everything that is 1099 is somehow automatically wrong. I couldn't be in business if that system didn't exist. edit: I also don't touch Uber. edit 2: don't post without coffee ugh On Terra Firma fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Grouchio posted:Sometimes I wish that the southern vote doesn't mean that much. It doesn't. Like, the only swing state in the South is Florida, and that would matter even with promotional representation because they're like the third largest state in the country.
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I would include Virginia and North Carolina as swing states. Certainly not the Deep South but they both seceded.
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fishmech posted:Why do you support removing worker's rights? I'm sorry but the 1099 shtick they're pulling is all about trying to dodge proper pay and other regulations so that they bleed venture capital cash a little slower. Around here taxi drivers are also 1099s, I believe.
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GalacticAcid posted:I would include Virginia and North Carolina as swing states. Certainly not the Deep South but they both seceded. Yeah, people say the "south" as a catchall. Then people get pissed and the end result is just a poo poo show. People are confused about what the south is I guess, and then people in the south get angry.
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On Terra Firma posted:I don't support removing workers rights, but all of my employees are 1099s (as am I) and it gets really old hearing about how that system of employment means you don't have proper pay or follow the proper regulations. I have workers comp and I pay everyone really well for what they do, but it would be impossible to hire them as salaried/hourly employees. Uber is absolute loving trash for the way they use their workers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everything that is 1099 is somehow automatically wrong. I couldn't be in business if that system didn't exist. Well it's all well and good that you're using 1099s in the correct way, but Uber and the rest of the 1099 economy startups are using them explicitly to try to avoid paying bona fide employees correctly. And because of how Uber et al have abused 1099s, there's likely to be a major crackdown on all 1099 usage in the next couple years. Just like there are some companies using H1b employees properly, but most of them are instead using them just so they can pay some foreign people less money than Americans are willing to go for.
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computer parts posted:It doesn't. While this is true, within the next decade or so Texas might very well turn into a swing state.
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ratbert90 posted:While this is true, within the next decade or so Texas might very well turn into a swing state. And when that happens there will be a massive restructuring of American politics, since the GOP loses one of its main safe states and the reverse isn't true for the Democrats.
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computer parts posted:And when that happens there will be a massive restructuring of American politics, since the GOP loses one of its main safe states and the reverse isn't true for the Democrats. And it will be glorious, because the GOP will be effectively dead for any white house runs for the following few decades. 
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fishmech posted:Well it's all well and good that you're using 1099s in the correct way, but Uber and the rest of the 1099 economy startups are using them explicitly to try to avoid paying bona fide employees correctly. And because of how Uber et al have abused 1099s, there's likely to be a major crackdown on all 1099 usage in the next couple years. Nobody is going to crack down on 1099s regardless of what Uber does. I cannot fathom a situation where legislators would take up that fight.
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On Terra Firma posted:Nobody is going to crack down on 1099s regardless of what Uber does. I cannot fathom a situation where legislators would take up that fight. So you're completely ignorant of the cases going on in California right now? Ok, I guess. I mean it's really important that it's happening in California where most those services started and are still headquartered, and which is their single biggest market. fishmech fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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The south is a massive overlapping clusterfuck of definitions, so if you put it on the map it looks like a deep red core in Alabama and Mississippi with Southiness radiating outward in a kind of yokel halo as far as Missouri, Kentucky, and Virginia. Hell, historically Baltimore and DC were considered essentially southern cities! In terms of political power, the south is waning; the Upper South has been shifting away ever since the death of Massive Resistance, and the Deep South is perpetually impoverished. Oddly enough it seems to be growing in population though, and many of the new seat pickups in the next reapportionment will be in the south.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Hold on, he's right. I stopped accusing him for causing the Flint crisis and I suddenly had the time to do some complex modeling and print me out a solution. Let's see what the print out says... Hey guys maybe we shouldn't vote for people who are incentivized to make the government terrible in order to prove to people that government is the problem.
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Quorum posted:In terms of political power, the south is waning; the Upper South has been shifting away ever since the death of Massive Resistance, and the Deep South is perpetually impoverished. Oddly enough it seems to be growing in population though, and many of the new seat pickups in the next reapportionment will be in the south. Only for a very simplistic definition of "South". There's been gains in some areas, but in general it's static. Here's the 2000 apportionment changes (so what was gained/lost from 1990 to 2000):  And here's the 2010 changes:  In the last 25 years, Missouri, Mississippi and Louisiana have all lost a seat. North Carolina gained a seat in 2000, but was static in 2010. The only states that are really growing (SC is an anomaly) is Georgia and Texas. Not coincidentally, those are the states most likely to turn blue in the near future.
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fishmech posted:So you're completely ignorant of the cases going on in California right now? Ok, I guess. There are so many industries that use the 1099 system that whatever comes out of that will be very specific.
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ratbert90 posted:While this is true, within the next decade or so Texas might very well turn into a swing state. You're delusional if you think the Texas Democratic Party could actually capitalize on demographic changes within 20 years. I can't think of a single state's democratic party that is actually well-run outside of the West Coast.
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