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Tim Burns Effect posted:so whens the new book coming out? June 2016, no set day yet.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:June 2016, no set day yet. Everyone is saying is probably gonna be 06/06/16 because it's the 6th book. So that's what we're all counting on.
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Hospitium is absolutely necessary in feudal societies because there are no police to call if someone does a murder, and you need to be able to conduct diplomacy with you neighbours without the fear of being murdered lest society descend into chaos. Christ what do they teach you kids in history class?
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Jan 23, 2016 20:19
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Then you also get things like roadside inns full of peasants that murder lone travelers messing with the whole program.
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Jan 23, 2016 22:07
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Roadside inns? What a dumb idea.
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Jan 24, 2016 02:46
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Did the Frey make some "mayhaps" joke referring to that game they play? Did he Mayhaps his way out of guests right?
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Jan 24, 2016 09:53
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kcroy posted:Did the Frey make some "mayhaps" joke referring to that game they play? Did he Mayhaps his way out of guests right? Here's the weird thing. Even if that internally justified their treason to the freymen, that's not the story they told loving anyone. They told everyone the starks broke the guest rights peace first and went nuts, they all turned into wolves and killed my idiot jester son. loving crazy wolves who needs them! So getting cute with crossing your fingers or whatever isn't going to stop the freys getting the rat king treatment when he gets cosmically hosed up sideways by the gods.
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ZShakespeare posted:Hospitium is absolutely necessary in feudal societies because there are no police to call if someone does a murder, and you need to be able to conduct diplomacy with you neighbours without the fear of being murdered lest society descend into chaos. Christ what do they teach you kids in history class? History gets in the way of testing and college prep, and what little time that's dedicated to it zeroes in on  history only, which came well after feudal conventions had died down. This in a country that was notoriously poo poo at knowing history before the 00s when testing/college prep. truly took over the classroom. Even then history tends to be for the upper classes, as kids well-educated in history tend to be less malleable when it comes time to slot into the working world. Plus that one guy is a bit socially retarded because Hospitium is not a very difficult concept to adjust your perspective to.SaviourX posted:Then you also get things like roadside inns full of peasants that murder lone travelers messing with the whole program. They were likely rare and a lot of the horror stories about them are just that--stories. That's where the whole convention of parties of travelers comes into play regardless, as strength-in-numbers is always a thing. ------------------------------- Tim Burns Effect posted:so whens the new book coming out? There's not a new book.
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Krinkle posted:Here's the weird thing. Even if that internally justified their treason to the freymen, that's not the story they told loving anyone. They told everyone the starks broke the guest rights peace first and went nuts, they all turned into wolves and killed my idiot jester son. loving crazy wolves who needs them! oh yeah, good point about the story they are telling people. I mean in a traditional novel, I'd expect the Frey's to get their comeuppance, but I mean - there is actually way worse poo poo being done than breaking Guest' Right. So I don't know - maybe no one really gives a gently caress, the victors write the histories, and that's that.
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Jan 24, 2016 13:58
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theres not actually worse poo poo that breaking guest rights within the fiction. breaking guest right and kinslaying are the top of the poo poo that you dont do
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Jan 24, 2016 14:42
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I think the Patrick Rothfuss thread is turning into the new Bad Thread.
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Jan 24, 2016 15:25
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rightfully so
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Jan 24, 2016 16:01
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It's no coincidence that the Freys are stuck with really lovely allies like the Boltons, other traitors, and Stark loyalists plotting to undermine them. By violating the number one rule, they have permanently screwed themselves out of good faith diplomatic relations.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:07
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GRRM may be an absolute fucker and creepwad but at least people don't wrap that up in comments about how beautiful his purple prose is. And at least Tyrion pays for his whores instead of existing as a self-insert nice-guy virgin sex god.
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Kajeesus posted:It's no coincidence that the Freys are stuck with really lovely allies like the Boltons, other traitors, and Stark loyalists plotting to undermine them. By violating the number one rule, they have permanently screwed themselves out of good faith diplomatic relations. I liked that dunk and egg story where frey is just a child kicking his feet while sitting on some traitor's knee. And now he's a cantankerous old gently caress who doesn't give a poo poo about anything. I liked the chapter where merritt was riding off to the ransom just absolutely loving terrified of the future and his rankings in the frey hierarchy because while wader frey hammered it into everyone that blood was blood merritt knew the instant he kicked off the top three freys ahead of him in line were going to cut him off and he'd just be a loving schmo with a toxic name that literally everyone in the 7 kingdoms would look down on and treat like a leper. If we ever get another book I look forward to seeing faceless arya kill all the principal freys. Or HBO can do it, whatever.
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I Own Soulz posted:I think the Patrick Rothfuss is turning into the new GRRM.         
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Jan 24, 2016 22:58
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that guy looks like a curly-haired version of my operating systems professor
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Jan 24, 2016 23:00
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I think that most fantasy writers will turn to gurm if given the opportunity.
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Jan 24, 2016 23:31
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I looked at the Patrick Rothfuss thread and I seriously don't understand how that is an acceptable back of book blurb. What the poo poo did I just read?
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Jan 25, 2016 00:15
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The best back of the box thing I've read from something which wasn't trying to be funny with its box quotes was "A great entry point" for the Dragon Age 2 game. It's such empty praise.
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Jan 25, 2016 13:19
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Kajeesus posted:It's no coincidence that the Freys are stuck with really lovely allies like the Boltons, other traitors, and Stark loyalists plotting to undermine them. By violating the number one rule, they have permanently screwed themselves out of good faith diplomatic relations. Not only undermining them, but outright murdering and cannaballizing em at the first opportunity to do it without getting caught, and that's the most honorable of their so-called allies. Their position in the Riverlands is gonna be just as bad as it is in the North too once more chaos starts spreading, they're all basically just murder targets now, surrounded by so many people with motives to do it and just waiting till a good shot opens up.
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Jan 25, 2016 17:28
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why do people look like this on purpose.
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Jan 25, 2016 23:30
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Because he is a "fantasy writer" and has an image to uphold. Could you imagine if someone that looked like all those guys that picked on you in high school wrote a bunch of nerd books that you love?
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Solice Kirsk posted:Because he is a "fantasy writer" and has an image to uphold. Could you imagine if someone that looked like all those guys that picked on you in high school wrote a bunch of nerd books that you love? 
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Jan 26, 2016 04:49
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Yeah, that's the kind of fantasy author I'd want to have sex with.
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Jan 26, 2016 05:14
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Who is that handsome fella and what did he write?
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Jan 26, 2016 05:37
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literal garbage
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Jan 26, 2016 05:48
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High praise, coming from the Book Barn. Paging Hedrigall for a mutual China love-in. Also nominating this wizard for writing picture books: 
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Ravenfood posted:The books that he'd write would kick all kinds of rear end? just wish he didn't have the terrible earrings but you can't have perfection i suppose.
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Jan 26, 2016 14:46
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China Mieville is actually "that one academic in the department who's weirdly hot but actually tenured and not a grad student"
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Ravenfood posted:The books that he'd write would kick all kinds of rear end? oh, wait, that's China Mieville? Thought that was Terry Gookind. nevermind, he's alright. SaviourX posted:Also nominating this wizard for writing picture books: G-Mo is great.
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DirtyRobot posted:China Mieville is actually "that one academic in the department who's weirdly hot but actually tenured and not a grad student" I always thought China Mieville was a woman.
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Blind Sally posted:G-Mo is great. Just finished going over 52 again. G-Mo is indeed great. Final Crisis sucked though. So why is this guy so divisive? I keep hearing both sides on this one.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:28
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Because he writes dense books leveraging the strengths of genre fiction to explore ideas rather than easy-reading pap for manchildren who want power fantasies about magic swords and wizards.
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mind the walrus posted:
Really? Far more people love him than hate him. Blind Sally posted:oh, wait, that's China Mieville? Thought that was Terry Gookind. nevermind, he's alright. You must be thinking of 
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Jan 26, 2016 18:09
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That guy looks like a magician.
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Wheeee posted:Because he writes dense books leveraging the strengths of genre fiction to explore ideas rather than easy-reading pap for manchildren who want power fantasies about magic swords and wizards. Adding to my reading list. I've found that with Sci Fi, Iain M Banks is a similar author. You can kinda figure out what kind of nerd/person someone is by whether they like Banks, and what their favorite Banks book is.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Adding to my reading list. I bought a bunch of Culture books on my kindle and I know for a fact I haven't read one of them but every time I try to look up the plot synopsis for a book on my list it sounds like I've never read it but then I get a few chapters in and oh this is the one where everyone is in computer hell I did read this one. None of ian m banks's books summarize well and I would really like to find the last book and finish the series.
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Krinkle posted:I bought a bunch of Culture books on my kindle and I know for a fact I haven't read one of them but every time I try to look up the plot synopsis for a book on my list it sounds like I've never read it but then I get a few chapters in and oh this is the one where everyone is in computer hell I did read this one. None of ian m banks's books summarize well and I would really like to find the last book and finish the series. I'm in the middle of the computer hell one now, and I think it's my second-least favorite after Consider Phlebas (the first book published). I think he gets a little sidetracked with making sure we understand just how hellish hell is, and he goes out of his way to emphasize just what a bad guy Veppers is to fuel a certain twist, but he kinda just goes to far with it. Look to Windward is his greatest book IMO. It deals with a really sensitive moral/ethical issue in just about the most sensitive way I've seen it handled, almost to the point that you don't even realize what he's been talking with you about until you finish the book and go "ooooh, wow, I'd never really thought about things that way before". I cried just a little bit at the end.
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mind the walrus posted:So why is this guy so divisive? I keep hearing both sides on this one. Mieville is hardly divisive. Within the fantasy/scifi field he is generally very well liked. I tend to bring him up when people can't separate art from politics, since he is a socialist advocating armed revolution. For some, being left means you can not have bad opinions. So while I consider Mieville a pretentious tool when it comes to politics, I also consider him to be one of the best fantasy authors today.
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