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Niwrad posted:I mean it's Vox Media so standards shouldn't be super high but how the hell does such a poorly written piece make it through and get promoted? Don't forget, Gawker outed a guy for no other reason than he was a Conde Nast executive. (And then Tommy Craggs threw a tantrum and quit when the rest of the editorial board decided to take the story down.)
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Vertical Lime posted:An interview here with the editor-in-chief of Simmons' new site: Kind of reminds me of the interview Dr. Thorpe did about SA on Attack of the Show
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Marquis de Pyro posted:Can we get Jason Whitlock and Shaun King's opinion on the article? I'd really like to find the motivation to go mental and suicide bomb or something edit or not @WhitlockJason Welp, Shaun King blocked me on Twitter. Ribsauce fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Jon Bois broke down my favorite Internet moment on Pretty Good. It's fantastic. https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=eECjjLNAOd4
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Timby posted:Don't forget, Gawker outed a guy for no other reason than he was a Conde Nast executive. (And then Tommy Craggs threw a tantrum and quit when the rest of the editorial board decided to take the story down.) Gawker tried to crowdfund funds to purchase dick pics.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Jon Bois broke down my favorite Internet moment on Pretty Good. It's fantastic. I laughed a lot. Thanks.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Jon Bois broke down my favorite Internet moment on Pretty Good. It's fantastic. I almost fell off the treadmill laughing. Incredible.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Jon Bois broke down my favorite Internet moment on Pretty Good. It's fantastic. The thing that made that thread special is that reality caved in under the weight of semantics for these bodybuilding bros and no one could dig themselves out of it the false indignation this dude puts on is obnoxious as hell. straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Ribsauce posted:Allegedly Whitlock is hosting "The Herd" tomorrow and Shaun King is going to be on. I'm pretty sure you can find the motivation you need there. There is no chance he goes on a live show.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Jon Bois broke down my favorite Internet moment on Pretty Good. It's fantastic. This is great
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straight up brolic posted:this guy ruined one of the funniest things to happen on the internet ever by making it about him/his sense of morality and intelligence. I'm sorry you're mad that someone doesn't like the word "retard"
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Henchman of Santa posted:I'm sorry you're mad that someone doesn't like the word "retard"
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straight up brolic posted:that has nothing to do with why i didnt like it, he was screaming about how dumb people were the entire time What does any of that have to do with morality or false indignation? And how are those people not dumb?
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Henchman of Santa posted:What does any of that have to do with morality or false indignation? And how are those people not dumb?
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In other godawful slapfights, Clay Travis had Chris Kluwe on his podcast or show or something to talk about Peyton Manning. Clay Travis being the guy who said if someone puts their dick and balls in your face without your permission it's just a prank, not sexual assault. And Kluwe tends to alienate even people who agree with him about stuff. I can only imagine how this went.
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ElwoodCuse posted:In other godawful slapfights, Clay Travis had Chris Kluwe on his podcast or show or something to talk about Peyton Manning. Clay Travis being the guy who said if someone puts their dick and balls in your face without your permission it's just a prank, not sexual assault. And Kluwe tends to alienate even people who agree with him about stuff. I can only imagine how this went. Oh god that had to be an absolute trainwreck
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DJExile posted:SBNation has cut all ties with Jeff Arnold and has put their longform section on temporary hiatus Now I'm wondering which one of my co-workers is tight enough with Greg Howard to leak him memos.
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DJExile posted:Oh god that had to be an absolute trainwreck It was such a trainwreck, Jeff Arnold wrote 12,000 words on it
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Toilet Mouth posted:It's a shame somebody is going to lose their job because they let a bad take slip through the cracks. Is it really a shame when someone was clearly either not doing their job or is utterly incompetent?
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Toilet Mouth posted:It's a shame somebody is going to lose their job because they let a bad take slip through the cracks. There's a difference between a bad take and an article that never should have been greenlit. In terms of SBNation's response blacklisting the author is the least they can do; I like Spencer Hall but depending on how upset Vox management gets and how long the Twitter Outrage Machine runs for he might have to take the fall for this.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I really don't see them getting rid of Hall after one strike, especially with how quickly they took it down and how sincere the apologies have been. I honestly haven't seen any outrage at all. Within the short-fused sport history world in which I live, I've seen plenty of outrage... but almost all of it dissipated with Hall's more-than-reasonable and strong response.
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C. Everett Koop posted:There's a difference between a bad take and an article that never should have been greenlit. I know they're not going to make it their brand or anything, but the idea that they would be willing to give a platform to something as strange as that piece would make me more likely to check out their longforms in the future, not less. If somebody's crazy enough to make a 10,000 word apologia for Jerry Sandusky, I would be intrigued to read it, or at least skim it. At the same time, I understand SB Nation/Vox being unhappy at the prospect of paying a writer good money in exchange for being labeled a freakshow, but I don't see anything outright unethical about giving this guy a platform, the only sin here is poor taste. On the other hand, I admittedly don't really understand journalism, so I'm sure my error is in thinking of SB Nation as a forum rather than as a publication. General Dog fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Feb 20, 2016 |
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Ribsauce posted:Allegedly Whitlock is hosting "The Herd" tomorrow and Shaun King is going to be on. I'm pretty sure you can find the motivation you need there. I did not listen, but apparently some highlights (that I read about at other places) are:
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I enjoy Spencer Hall as a goon-ish commentator on the bullshit of college football. He's fun on Twitter and I think he's funny because the entire enterprise of the NCAA is just ridiculous. I am not sure how he got to be an Executive Editor or whatever his grand-poobah title is at SBNation based on anything he's written. I think I read a thing where he went to Burma and watched a few days of an artistic hackey-sack festival (?) that wasn't terrible. The reason "longform" is kind of a hip new thing is that it takes a really unique talent to write those kind of stories well, and I don't mean the "oral history of <x>" where you just string together quote blocks from a dozen people about A Thing That Happened Back Then. A friend of mine gave me an anthology of W. C. Heinz works several years ago and it's still one of my favorite reads despite the fact that everyone profiled in it was retired long before I was born. Not everything needs 12,000 words, and "maybe this convicted serial rapist cop wasn't such a bad guy after all" is one of those things that doesn't need 12,000 words or even any loving article at all, especially on a sports site. This seems like a case of "Hey, we have a space for longform, we need something to put there" gone amok. In that frame, I totally agree with them shutting down that section of the site until they get their poo poo together.
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Crazy Ted posted:The interview went on after all. Apparently it was a thirty-minute-long poo poo festival. God this sounds astoundingly painful.
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skaboomizzy posted:I enjoy Spencer Hall as a goon-ish commentator on the bullshit of college football. He's fun on Twitter and I think he's funny because the entire enterprise of the NCAA is just ridiculous. You are in luck. Broke. The Big Country. The Business of Protection which I should not have reread oh god every time it gets me. 10.15.94. An Interview with Luther Campbell.
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C. Everett Koop posted:There's a difference between a bad take and an article that never should have been greenlit. That would be unfortunate. I think SB Nation has grown into a nice platform. Mistakes happen on a network of like 300 blogs constantly producing stories.
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Niwrad posted:That would be unfortunate. I think SB Nation has grown into a nice platform. Mistakes happen on a network of like 300 blogs constantly producing stories. I think Hall does great work and wouldn't fire him but this is a dumb excuse for what happened here. It wasn't a piece from some random team blog in the network, it was from the show piece site that ostensibly is supposed to be doing their best work and it was promoted by the main site. He should take more responsibly for the work being done there.
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MourningView posted:I think Hall does great work and wouldn't fire him but this is a dumb excuse for what happened here. It wasn't a piece from some random team blog in the network, it was from the show piece site that ostensibly is supposed to be doing their best work and it was promoted by the main site. He should take more responsibly for the work being done there. That's fair. I thought the longform stuff was a separate part of the site run by Glenn Stout. I mean Hall is ultimately the guy at the top and responsible but I just think he's done a good job and this was one mistake that he quickly apologized for.
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zakharov posted:When a godawful and patently offensive piece gets a showcase on the flagship site of a network, the guy at the top takes responsibility. That's the risk of being the boss. He probably should resign. What gets me is that Hall said that multiple people at the top had objections and it still ran, which makes me wonder if Hall has as much control as it appears or that he'd like. He's been radio-silent since the apology while other editors have tweeted and such, which makes the political-side of me wonder if he's planning an exit strategy or some kind of move to consolidate power. Also makes me wonder if Vox is taking seriously the accusation that this wouldn't have happened if the top of SBNation wasn't all white men as well. I'd call them cisscum or whatever but I don't know of their orientation and don't particularly care tbh.
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Crazy Ted posted:The interview went on after all. Apparently it was a thirty-minute-long poo poo festival. I read some more into Shaun King because I hate myself and don't value my time and I think the dude is legitimately psychotic. How is this dude 35 with 5 kids? His twitter feed comes off like an unhinged 15 year old. I am still laughing that he said he was "done with Whitlock" and is probably up to 150 more Whitlock related tweets (and a radio "interview") since then. Ribsauce fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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zakharov posted:When a godawful and patently offensive piece gets a showcase on the flagship site of a network, the guy at the top takes responsibility. That's the risk of being the boss. He probably should resign. You don't get to be anywhere near the top of a corporate hierarchy if you make a habit of taking responsibility for mistakes.
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C. Everett Koop posted:What gets me is that Hall said that multiple people at the top had objections and it still ran, which makes me wonder if Hall has as much control as it appears or that he'd like. He's been radio-silent since the apology while other editors have tweeted and such, which makes the political-side of me wonder if he's planning an exit strategy or some kind of move to consolidate power. From what I can tell, SB Nation is very decentralized, and Glenn Stout did the longform section. It seems like the people at the top are more editors emeritus than actually editing absolutely everything on the site.
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