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Maxwell Lord posted:The first and third are okay, the second is hideous. There's this weird orange and green color scheme (though the Toho Kingdom review says it's partly a problem with the BR transfer, I don't recall it looking any better on video), most of the running time is given over to really cheap and uninteresting Indiana Jones stuff, there's an orange fluffy furby thing whose urine has magic healing powers, it's very unpleasant. That makes sense. I've definitely heard the third one kicks rear end, more specifically than the first two.
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# ? May 1, 2016 09:03 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:50 |
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From what little I've seen, which is some of the monster fights on Youtube, they seem to have many of the same issues as the 90s Godzilla films, e.g. lots of beam fights that go on for forever until one of the monsters falls onto a building or whatever.
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# ? May 1, 2016 20:56 |
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That's absolutely right, but also Mothra has more powers than Superman.
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# ? May 1, 2016 21:08 |
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If nothing else, the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy gave us the Cretaceous King Ghidorah design, which I'm rather fond of.
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# ? May 2, 2016 00:40 |
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I read that as Crustaceous King Ghidorah and imagined some kind of three headed alien Baltan.
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# ? May 2, 2016 00:52 |
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it's kind of sad that the rebirth of mothra movies call to mind a lot quicker than, you know, Mothra. i managed to snatch that up on DVD on an 'icons of sci-fi' set that included Battle in Outer Space and The H-Man, the latter of which is actually basically just a noir film with tokusatsu elements. but Mothra is loving dope. it's really a fairly revolutionary film with regards to the godzilla films. for one, it kickstarts the trend of the monster living to the end of the movie. in movies before that point, monsters either got the shitstick at the end of man's 'superior intellect,' or, like, the wolf man finally really cured himself or some dumb poo poo. with mothra is was like, "okay, now the island jungle god really is an island jungle god, the paradigm of anthropocentrism is over, and after wrecking poo poo it just flies away righteously never having to answer to any of it. this immediately gets carried over into King Kong vs. Godzilla, followed of course by the one-two punches of Mothra vs. Godzilla and Ghidorah, The Three-Head Monster in 1964.
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# ? May 2, 2016 04:37 |
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Mothra just flying through wrecking everything is so good, I don't know if it's still the case but it & a bunch of related stuff used to be on Crackle (the streaming service every1 ignores) for free.
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# ? May 2, 2016 04:42 |
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Hey, if you have some Crackle recommendations, feel free but it sucks rear end!
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# ? May 2, 2016 04:45 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Hey, if you have some Crackle recommendations, feel free but it sucks rear end! No it's definitely 95% garbage, but the ads used to error out and auto skip on the Xbox 360 app so that was sick.
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# ? May 2, 2016 04:47 |
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Maxwell Lord posted:The first and third are okay, the second is hideous. There's this weird orange and green color scheme (though the Toho Kingdom review says it's partly a problem with the BR transfer, I don't recall it looking any better on video), most of the running time is given over to really cheap and uninteresting Indiana Jones stuff, there's an orange fluffy furby thing whose urine has magic healing powers, it's very unpleasant. I completely agree with this review 100%
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# ? May 2, 2016 06:01 |
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K. Waste posted:it's kind of sad that the rebirth of mothra movies call to mind a lot quicker than, you know, Mothra. Mothra is dope as hell, but it's kinda one of the ur-kaiju movies and I'd be shocked if anyone in this thread hadn't seen it, whereas the Rebirth movies are a good bit more obscure (and, thus, fun to talk about). Also, that set with Battle in Outer Space and The H-Man owns.
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# ? May 2, 2016 18:32 |
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All this Godzilla history talk has me curious, I've only seen the 1954 movie, Final Wars and 2014. Can somebody give me a short list that I should definitely check out?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:All this Godzilla history talk has me curious, I've only seen the 1954 movie, Final Wars and 2014. Can somebody give me a short list that I should definitely check out? Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster Godzilla vs. Gigan Godzilla vs. Megalon Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla Godzillas Revenge That ought to get you up to speed.
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# ? May 4, 2016 05:49 |
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Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster
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# ? May 4, 2016 06:20 |
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Everyone's lists are gonna be different, but you can't go wrong with Godzilla vs Biolante Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla II Godzilla vs Megagurius Godzilla vs Destroyah
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# ? May 4, 2016 06:36 |
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Godzilla vs. Mothra, Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster, and Godzilla vs. Monster X make up a cool little trilogy, and I'd highly recommend it. Check out Mothra and Rodan's solo movies too. The original 1960's Mothra might be my all time favorite Kaiju film. The model work is amazing.
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# ? May 4, 2016 06:59 |
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Anything directed by Ishiro Honda + Smog Monster.
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# ? May 4, 2016 12:45 |
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Godzilla vs Mothra is probably the greatest monster movie ever made
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# ? May 4, 2016 13:37 |
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i can't believe i have to be stoop this low: Mothra vs. Godzilla is the '64 film, Godzilla vs. Mothra is the '90s one with Battra. The former is superior and, as Boogeystein says, probably (one of) the best giant monster movie(s) ever made.
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# ? May 4, 2016 14:40 |
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Start with the 90's stuff - which I think begins with Biollante. Then go from there up until Destroyah. It's normally called the Heisei era. Shift back to the 70's for some more goofy stuff but cool monster on monster action. Pick from anything - it's all good.
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# ? May 4, 2016 14:43 |
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Honestly I disagree. Showa era is much more fun and probably closer to what you expect/want out of a Godzilla film. Hesei movies feel like bad anime if you watch them as an adult.
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# ? May 4, 2016 15:06 |
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K. Waste posted:i can't believe i have to be stoop this low: Mothra vs. Godzilla is the '64 film, Godzilla vs. Mothra is the '90s one with Battra. The former is superior and, as Boogeystein says, probably (one of) the best giant monster movie(s) ever made. but, like Italian horror movie titles, kaiju movie titles have a lot of variants floating around. This is the VHS tape i and i'm sure a lot of others of my generation had: (yes i still have it) my way of differentiating them is that the '90s one is Godzilla vs. Mothra: The Battle For Earth. it kinda falls right in the middle of the Heisei movies, quality-wise. Battra is very cool.
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# ? May 4, 2016 15:29 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:All this Godzilla history talk has me curious, I've only seen the 1954 movie, Final Wars and 2014. Can somebody give me a short list that I should definitely check out? Mothra -> GxMG -> Tokyo S.O.S. Godzilla x Mechagodzilla is the film Del Toro ripped off for Pacific Rim, so here's a version of that that doesn't suck. After 1954, these three films are not only among the best, but tell a perfectly self-contained story of Godzilla's rise and fall. Mecha Gojira posted:Godzilla vs. Mothra, Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster, and Godzilla vs. Monster X make up a cool little trilogy, and I'd highly recommend it. This is truth also. The five here form a sprawling, Avengers-like narrative centered around Godzilla's evolution into a hero. Unlike The Avengers, though, the entire thing is actually great because each entry was directed by Ishiro Honda himself.
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# ? May 4, 2016 16:03 |
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Mantis42 posted:Honestly I disagree. Showa era is much more fun and probably closer to what you expect/want out of a Godzilla film. Hesei movies feel like bad anime if you watch them as an adult. I can't imagine the one from Shin Godzilla doing much of anything with those comical arms of his, but maybe the addition of CG will allow greater freedom of motion overall to make up for it.
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# ? May 4, 2016 18:22 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Keeping things 'in continuity' is a good way of narrowing things down. For example: Using the Millennium costume for the MG films makes me think they were trying to tie it into the earlier two films' continuity (whatever there is of it). Also, regarding the Mothra through Astro Monsters continuity, I always felt like Destroy All Monsters was a capper to that. It's placed right in between films in the "island" trilogy which are arguably the low-point of the Showa series yet has all the feel of the Ghidorah saga (including 3G himself). You could argue also that the first three films share continuity at least in that Raids Again is a direct sequel, obviously, but at the end of it, they trap Godzilla in a glacier, and sure enough that's where he pops out of in King Kong Vs. I'd like in my head to think that vs. M follows directly too, but they clearly gave zero fucks about explaining Godzilla's return, and we're all the better for it, as it's probably one of his best entrances.
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# ? May 4, 2016 20:52 |
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Why would you need to explain Godzilla's return? He falls into the water fighting King Kong and he washes ashore with Mothra's egg during a storm.
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# ? May 4, 2016 22:03 |
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^Exactly. Was there anyone anywhere that really thought Godzilla died at the end of GvsKK? My kid mind just always took it as pretty obvious that that's what happened since it went Godzilla in ocean -> Godzilla on beach after a storm.
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# ? May 4, 2016 22:35 |
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Yeah, I definitely never thought Godzilla was supposed to be dead in King Kong vs Godzilla.
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# ? May 4, 2016 22:43 |
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Choco1980 posted:You could argue also that the first three films share continuity at least in that Raids Again is a direct sequel, obviously, but at the end of it, they trap Godzilla in a glacier, and sure enough that's where he pops out of in King Kong Vs. I'd like in my head to think that vs. M follows directly too, but they clearly gave zero fucks about explaining Godzilla's return, and we're all the better for it, as it's probably one of his best entrances. There's certainly plot continuity bridging the films, but Raids Again and King Kong Vs. Godzilla are extremely skippable.
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# ? May 4, 2016 23:03 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There's certainly plot continuity bridging the films, but Raids Again and King Kong Vs. Godzilla are extremely skippable. King Kong vs. Godzilla, i still love it to death, but it's exactly what you get when everyone except the director gets on board with this idea that giant monsters are no longer 'scary,' but funny pro-wrestler types. honda eventually made the transition pretty smoothly in due time, but the battle scenes are so slowly paced, you see the learning curve of a guy who's really trying this pioneering kind of spectacle for the first time. even the american version is superior just because it's faster paced, has a more lively score, and has the benefit of racist americans doing a meta-commentary on a spectacle of destruction that they themselves are responsible for.
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# ? May 4, 2016 23:11 |
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King Kong isn't even that big, it's non-canon
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# ? May 4, 2016 23:19 |
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Beeez posted:Yeah, I definitely never thought Godzilla was supposed to be dead in King Kong vs Godzilla. MinibarMatchman posted:King Kong isn't even that big, it's non-canon But electricity makes Kong stronger!
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# ? May 4, 2016 23:46 |
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Raids Again is really, really, really bad.
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# ? May 5, 2016 15:14 |
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I kind of like the big sequence in Raids where Godzilla destroys Osaka. Its pretty much a lesser version of the similar scene in the first movie, but its still pretty neat.
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# ? May 5, 2016 15:18 |
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Davros1 posted:But electricity makes Kong stronger! Don't forget getting wasted as gently caress on berry juice. I feel like we learned so much about Kong in that movie
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# ? May 5, 2016 16:02 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Raids Again is really, really, really bad. The scenes they accidentally speed-ramped are pretty cool, but yeah.
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# ? May 5, 2016 19:31 |
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Mantis42 posted:Honestly I disagree. Showa era is much more fun and probably closer to what you expect/want out of a Godzilla film. Hesei movies feel like bad anime if you watch them as an adult. If you're going to watch the Heisei era you might as well just watch the 90s Gamera trilogy instead to see that sort of thing done right. It's amazing what a bit of ambitious direction can do to really sell the enormity of the monsters; even though the Gamera trilogy had tiny budgets compared to the Heisei Godzilla movies, they look far better. As for Godzilla, I'm a Showa guy through and through, with Monster Zero and the first Mechagodzilla movie being my two favorites. Hedorah is also an insane masterpiece.
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# ? May 6, 2016 03:39 |
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The Gamera trilogy is the main reason I'm excited for this new Godzilla even more than the base level of excitement I would normally have for any Godzilla movie.
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# ? May 6, 2016 04:13 |
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The Gamera movies are better than the Heisei Godzillas, but there are some very good films in that series too and the average quality is pretty solid. Godzilla and Mothra is the weakest (others say Space Godzilla but that has a certain look and atmosphere that I like) but even that's pretty good. One advantage the Gamera trilogy had- apart from Kaneko just having a great visual sense in general- was that the monsters were all about half as large as the ones in the Heisei Godzilla series (a 50m scale vs 100m.) This meant the miniature buildings and such could be larger and more detailed, and it made it easier to have scenes where the humans interact with them. Kaneko is fond of ground-level views of the monster stuff, which also is a big part of what makes GMK effective.
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# ? May 8, 2016 18:32 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:50 |
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Shinji Higuchi is the one who does the monster scenes in the Gamera movies, but otherwise you're right about the strengths of those scenes compared to the 90s Godzilla movies.
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