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Craptacular! posted:This seems like a "nobody cares" kind of thing. If you've got a hotshit 1080, you can obviously afford the premium. If you refuse to spend a dollar over $250 on a video card, you're probably hooked up to a 1080p TV anyway. It's like pointing out to a guy spending $95,000 on a car that a Viper costs $5,000 less than a Porsche. Actually, a guy who refuses to spend over $250 on a GPU will notice a huge increase in his game quality, by paying $20 extra over a non-sync model, for a freesync one, whereas that guy who spent $1000 on a titan P won't really notice much, as his monitor is running at 144hz constantly anyway.
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Phuzun posted:There are some newer games that aren't able to maintain 120 on the GTX1080 at 1080p (maxed). Either should be fine if you are okay with lowering details. I just want "high" settings at 1080p. I've noticed with quite a few games going from "high" settings to "ultra" settings I myself don't see much of a difference other than the framerate making GBS threads the bed.
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Truga posted:Actually, a guy who refuses to spend over $250 on a GPU will notice a huge increase in his game quality, by paying $20 extra over a non-sync model, for a freesync one, whereas that guy who spent $1000 on a titan P won't really notice much, as his monitor is running at 144hz constantly anyway. I guess I see these GPU-specific monitors to be niche products for people with money to blow. I admit I'm strange, though: I bought a fan-loving-tastic 1080p TV waaaay back in 2009 and have been using that ever since, and I just can't find a classic monitor solution because I love integrated sound too much. I threw away two different 4.1 sound systems from the 2000s just a few weeks ago, and I don't ever ever ever want anything other than a stereo speaker under my display ever again. Positional sound was interesting when I was playing Quake 3 but these days I actually enjoy keeping it simple. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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A reminder that while Intel has signed on to AdaptiveSync (the VESA version of Freesync) and has committed to making their iGPUs use the tech, the earliest that can conceivably arrive is 2018 with Ice Lake. (If there's anything that will drive Freesync adoption rates and refinement, it would be Intel pushing it mainstream by virtue of market share and volume.) VVVVVV I got booted from the internet before I could finish editing my comment. TL;DR, in the end, all bow to Chipzilla. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Yeah, barring unexpected developments, AdaptiveSync/FreeSync should slowly become a standard feature for monitors. The only reason it feels like it's a matter of "GPU-specific monitors" is because nVidia decided it wanted its own special snowflake version of adaptive sync, which carries a ridiculous price premium for no particularly good reason. Unfortunately, nVidia has really good marketing and AMD isn't beating them on product quality either right now, so it's unlikely that the upcoming ubiquity of FreeSync is going to put any pressure on them. Adaptive sync tribalism is probably here to stay for a good while, so while FreeSync isn't particularly money-to-blow right now and will be even less so in the future, you'll still probably have to hitch your wagon to AMD to get to use it. It'd be cool (though probably even more of a blow to poor AMD) if once Ice Lake comes around, Intel drops a few APU-style SKUs with uncharacteristically beefy iGPUs that can actually run new games at low-medium settings 1080p with the sync picking up the slack to make it feel smooth. HMS Boromir fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Craptacular! posted:I guess I see these GPU-specific monitors to be niche products for people with money to blow. Sure, but so are $200 GPUs. Mainstream buys PS4s and plays lol on intel HD4000 or a best buy box with a R5 230 or a GTX 750. And while there's probably never going to be a gsync tv, there's already korean tvs with freesync support. And at a $250 price point, the  you pay over the non-freesync version is going to give a shitload more smoothness to your game than an extra $20 of GPU ever could. I'd argue you'd need to splurge an extra $100 to get the same benefit there. If you're going to buy a monitor in the near future, and you're buying a mid range gpu right now, get a freesync IMO.The only reason I probably never will have *sync is because hopefully my monitor will last long enough for VR to reach high enough resolution for me to ditch it. If VR wasn't a thing, I'd probably already be looking for a new monitor now (mine is 7-8 years old now). Adaptive sync is very very good in practice, especially at lower frame rates, even if it sounds completely irrelevant on paper. e: ofc if money is no object, go for an x34 gsync and 1080, $2000 right there 
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PerrineClostermann posted:The way it's meant to be paid 
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Truga posted:Sure, but so are $200 GPUs. Mainstream buys PS4s and plays lol on intel HD4000 or a best buy box with a R5 230 or a GTX 750. I have a 750 equivalent (from 2013 when it was a $200 GPU) and my ability to feel mainstream died a little while ago when I saw how demanding GTA is; just about the most mainstream game there is. As I watch TV over a LAN tuner now and see that there's PC monitors with built in speakers I suppose I could buy a new monitor, but with the current ATI product I'd probably buy a FreeSync display if I had the money to spend on one at all, then wait and see if their equipment ever gets better in the future. Regardless, my point is that I'm not making any money and throwing irreplaceable cash at a video card, so this "you really should buy a display" business seems unnecessary to me. If I was to buy a display right now it would mean going cardless. I just want hot Overwatch framerates (though what I get now is acceptable) and all the little environmental details in GTA. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Yay I have a GTX 1070 now. However, is that power bug fixed yet? I am driving two displays at 1440p and 120hz, and my GPU and memory clocks went from both 215MHz and 202.5MHz to 800MHz and 2002MHz respectively. If I change one display to 60hz, it goes back to former. --edit: I guess not. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Yay I have a GTX 1070 now. Probably this is a really stupid question ... but does the bug remain, even if one of the displays is switched off? I'm just wondering if having a vive plugged in its gonna trigger it even if the vive is switched off. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Jul 11, 2016 12:37
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So I finally got my GTX 1080! Had to remove the 750 ti, which I've had for a few years (it only just started to die this week), and was able to grab the 1080 before the store closed... but I forgot to purchase the DVI cable. Oh well!
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Jul 11, 2016 12:47
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Truga posted:Sure, but so are $200 GPUs. Mainstream buys PS4s and plays lol on intel HD4000 or a best buy box with a R5 230 or a GTX 750. And while there's probably never going to be a gsync tv, there's already korean tvs with freesync support. And at a $250 price point, the that tv seems awesome, but are there even any amd products that push avg 60fps at 4k on high performance games without having to use medium settings?
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Jul 11, 2016 12:58
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wipeout posted:Probably this is a really stupid question Maybe if I let it be in standby off for a longer time so it enters deep sleep, but haven't tried that yet. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Jul 11, 2016 13:23
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Craptacular! posted:I just can't find a classic monitor solution because I love integrated sound too much. I threw away two different 4.1 sound systems from the 2000s just a few weeks ago, and I don't ever ever ever want anything other than a stereo speaker under my display ever again. Positional sound was interesting when I was playing Quake 3 but these days I actually enjoy keeping it simple.
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Craptacular! posted:I just can't find a classic monitor solution because I love integrated sound too much. So, Dell monitors that support the Dell soundbar, then. They're actually pretty good, as opposed to the absolutely tiny speakers built into monitors.
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Fauxtool posted:that tv seems awesome, but are there even any amd products that push avg 60fps at 4k on high performance games without having to use medium settings? That TV actually sucks and is like a year old, I'm sure there's ones with way better sync range out there by now, I just linked the first google hit for freesync tv And, well, if you're willing to use a Sapphire Fury, you'll get decent FPS on high at 4k. Not in any good looking game at ultra though. And fury eats power like hell. You can couple a 4k telly with a RX 480 though and play lol or overwatch at 4k and witcher etc at 1080p. And freesync will make sure the gameplay stays quite smooth even when you drop below 50. I mean, we are talking about $200 range GPUs, nothing will do 4k@60 in all games yet, not even a GTX 1080. Craptacular! posted:Regardless, my point is that I'm not making any money and throwing irreplaceable cash at a video card, so this "you really should buy a display" business seems unnecessary to me. Oh certainly. I'm not saying you should buy a new screen because *sync is must have. Hell, I'm staying without it, because my monitor still works fine, and I'm spending cash on VR instead. I'm just saying, if you're considering getting a monitor upgrade, *sync is too good to pass up IMO (  it's like buying a new car in tyool 2016 and not getting airbags), and at mid range prices gsync immediately makes any kind of price/performance curve break. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is. Maybe it'll even be what AMD needs to pull ahead a bit again.Who am I kidding people will just buy nvidia anyway
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Combat Pretzel posted:Display off during short-term doesn't change a thing. I have to yank the cable for it go into proper power mode. Or power it off by physical power switch. Thanks for trying that. Bugger. Already going to have to work around one 10x0 problem and run the vive on HDMI :/ E- first world problems, but I'd be pissed if a cheap AMD card had them, let alone a £630 one. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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A lot of the cheaper gaming oriented screens are freesync already, and more than once the best option I've seen is freesync at which point if you're in that range it's great. You get a boost with AMD cards and if for whatever reason you can't go with them it remains a good screen in that price range. That's a lot of why I'm so happy with the $600 XR341CK refurb I got. It's got freesync to make running it from a 290 viable (which is a pretty strong statement on how much Freesync can help at lower frame rates) and if I need an upgrade and have no AMD option, it's going to remain a 75 Hz low latency IPS ultrawide and that's hardly a bad screen.
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Truga posted:That TV actually sucks and is like a year old, I'm sure there's ones with way better sync range out there by now, I just linked the first google hit for freesync tv The UHD400 is a lot newer than the UHD420, it also has Freesync but is a 40" 4K Samsung PLS panel for $500-ish
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wipeout posted:Thanks for trying that. Bugger. Already going to have to work around one 10x0 problem and run the vive on HDMI :/
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Do *-sync solutions really improve things at sub-60 fps? It's sort of hard to tell from all the reviews. I'm oscillating back and forth between upgrading my 380 2 GB to an RX480 and buying a 1080p 144hz Free sync monitor and running dual monitors since the 380 can do free sync. I can't really figure out which is the better choice.
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When can I expect aftermarket 1080s to be in stock for normal prices? This is getting absurd. I FINALLY got an e-mail from NewEgg that the EVGA 1080 I wanted was in stock a few days ago. In the wee hours of the morning. Obviously they were out of stock by the time I saw the e-mail. I have still yet to see a single card available on Amazon from Amazon for the list price. Is this typical for GPU launches? Launch them without adequate inventory? After buying late and cheaper the last 2 generations, I want to buy the big dog card ASAP and enjoy it as long as possible. I've got a 144hz G-SYNC 1440p monitor and I want to play Hitman with everything on Ultra and absurdly high frame rates dammit!!!
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Boosted_C5 posted:When can I expect aftermarket 1080s to be in stock for normal prices? This is getting absurd. Use nowinstock
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axeil posted:Do *-sync solutions really improve things at sub-60 fps? It's sort of hard to tell from all the reviews. I'm oscillating back and forth between upgrading my 380 2 GB to an RX480 and buying a 1080p 144hz Free sync monitor and running dual monitors since the 380 can do free sync. I can't really figure out which is the better choice. My experience is pretty minimal but yes everytime I used (g)sync it was always with something that the GPU could barely handle and rarely went above 60 fps. The difference is quite noticeable. But I would probably get a 480 over running dual monitors on a 380 tbh. The best 33 fps is still just 33 fps, and sync can't fix plain old stuttering of course. It would depend on what you're doing with it though Boosted_C5 posted:When can I expect aftermarket 1080s to be in stock for normal prices? This is getting absurd. It has been worse lol (Fury), but this is easily the most significantly large release with supply issues in recent memory. Unusual though? No, anytime anything new and cool releases they get sold out for at least a week or two. But with the 1080 we are solidly at 5 weeks, so, that part of it is unusual. penus penus penus fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Re: monitor chat, I'm picking up a Wasabi Mango UHD 490 in the near future, probably after I get back from a business trip overseas. It's a 49" 4k LG IPS panel with Freesync. My biggest concern is nobody has any mention on what the freesync range is, but we'll see! It caps at 4k60, so hopefully it'll be something like 42-60FPS just to future proof a bit. It's going to replace my projector as my media screen, though.
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axeil posted:Do *-sync solutions really improve things at sub-60 fps? It's sort of hard to tell from all the reviews. I'm oscillating back and forth between upgrading my 380 2 GB to an RX480 and buying a 1080p 144hz Free sync monitor and running dual monitors since the 380 can do free sync. I can't really figure out which is the better choice. My Opinion. I have a XB270H (which was bought refurbed for $450) and a GTX 770(1070 coming tomorrow). While GSync helps somewhat over 60FPS the best use for it is when Frame rates start bouncing around from 35-60. Pre-GSync those bounces would be pretty noticable, now it feels like I have an artificial increase in FPS because those dips don't feel nearly as jarring. A game like XCOM2 (which is optimized like crap and really taxes my 2500K) immediately felt way better because the monitor just clocked itself down in the low 40s. If I play, like, CS GO or something (FPS in the 80s) it still feels better but not as dramatic as lower FPS.
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quote:We regret to inform you that due to a system error the ordered merchandise is not in stock. Shout out to B&H photo for temporarily saving me from my poor financial decisions
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DOOM has just gained Vulkan support: https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/doom-vulkan-support-now-live/2016/07/11/156 AMD's saying over 20% increase in performance on the 480 with Vulkan: https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2016/07/11/radeon-graphics-takes-doom-to-the-next-level-with-vulkan-implementation Finally, an actual game people would want to play has gained support for Vulkan. This should make for interesting comparisons. Edit: just loaded a saved game, standing on the spot staring in the direction it loaded, switched between the two, gained 10 FPS on my 290X (from 96 to 106). 1920×1200, every setting maxed (shadows on Ultra, of course, it won't let me set Nightmare), but I'm using SMAA (1TX) as opposed to the temporal AA everyone gushes about. Doubt it would make a performance difference. Obviously that's not a meaningful benchmark result, someone else will do it better than I could, but it looks promising. Double edit: I'm not even on the latest driver, that was on 16.6.1. Running a 2500K @ 4.6, DDR3-2133 HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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HalloKitty posted:DOOM has just gained Vulkan support: Vulkan is crazy good. SinineSiil posted:Game was unplayable before with OpenGL because of CPU spikes to ~40ms every couple seconds and GPU graph looked like sawteeth. Now the graphs are almost flat and performance is sublime! That's on GTX970M, i7 4720HQ and 16GB RAM, all high settings. Previously it didn't even matter what settings I used. It would stutter like crazy even with 50% 800x600 res, all low/off settings.
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Can I assume that enabling DSR on NVidia cards excludes the composited desktop from it in Windows? --edit: Oh wait, it creates new resolution modes for the games. Nevermind then.
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Tomb Raider released a patch with async compute http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/231481-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-async-compute-update-improves-performance-on-amd-hardware-flat-on-maxwell Although they only tested the fury vs 980ti so far it seems, gains are similar to other async compute things.  They do mention that the 480 probably won't see these gains due to what theyve seen with other benchmarks, does anybody know why this is? They reference their own AOTS which shows just a 3% increase between DX11 and DX12+async compute,
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Hopefully Vulkan makes it more stable. I don't decide when to quit playing Doom for the night, it decides for me.
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Truga posted:Actually, a guy who refuses to spend over $250 on a GPU will notice a huge increase in his game quality, by paying $20 extra over a non-sync model, for a freesync one, whereas that guy who spent $1000 on a titan P won't really notice much, as his monitor is running at 144hz constantly anyway. Agreed, adding a Gsync monitor for my 960 resulted in a huge quality improvement. I was able to increase quality settings in most games while still feeling "smooth". The Gsync pricing does strike me as odd, since the people who would benefit the most are also the least likely to shell out the extra cash. I only did it because my old screen was getting too yellow. Also I know this isn't the monitor thread, but if you get a sync monitor, replace your decade-old mouse too. I play Overwatch on low settings (for maximum fps - with my old man reflexes I need every advantage), and when I swapped my junky old Lenovo mouse for a new 1000Hz one, aiming got a LOT smoother.
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HalloKitty posted:AMD's saying over 20% increase in performance on the 480 with Vulkan: lol i'm sure it's all due to async shaders and intrinsics, and not that your opengl implementation is hot garbage THE DOG HOUSE posted:They do mention that the 480 probably won't see these gains due to what theyve seen with other benchmarks, does anybody know why this is? They reference their own AOTS which shows just a 3% increase between DX11 and DX12+async compute, Probably because Hawaii/Tonga/Fiji had 8 async queues, but they dropped to 4 with Polaris.
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HalloKitty posted:DOOM has just gained Vulkan support: It's one hell of an upgrade, The Foundry - probably the most visually-demanding mission - is where you wanna be to see it in action, this is with both API's running everything maxed using Nightmare settings too http://imgur.com/50cxYXo http://imgur.com/JE6cBBr At least there's a next-gen alternative if DX12 suffers the same fate as DX10
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Setzer Gabbiani posted:Nightmare settings too Nightmare on Fury? I guess there's some kind of hack to ignore the 5GB VRAM limit in the menu.
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repiv posted:lol i'm sure it's all due to async shaders and intrinsics, and not that your opengl implementation is hot garbage Those benchmarks are outdated, since there was an enormous boost to FPS in the AMD driver after the one used in that review (16.5.2.1 vs 16.5.2 in the review) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvWaE-3Aseg
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HalloKitty posted:DOOM has just gained Vulkan support: Oh gently caress yes, I'd been holding off on Doom waiting for this.
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bull3964 posted:Hopefully Vulkan makes it more stable. I don't decide when to quit playing Doom for the night, it decides for me. Just as a warning that you might want to examine your system for other issues, I have *never* had stability problems in Doom. e: unless you mean you're on an AMD GPU? Because AMD OpenGL is a potential stability issue in itself, yeah.
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