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Am I late to Ghibli chat? Spirited Away is objectively the greatest animated film ever made you god drat edgelords  the final scene at the bathhouse is kinda weak though Pick posted:I tend to think of films coming out of his studio as "Miyazaki films" even if he wasn't the director because I think he exercises a considerable degree of control in the types of films that Ghibli produces. But yeah that's a fair differentiation to point out. On that note, Takahata's films have their own feel, but I think the two of them together have a pretty unified vision for their approach to animation. Some of the other directors, I wouldn't quite agree. I think this is valid for the rest of the non-Miyazaki films that came out of Ghibli, but I've always felt that Takahata's are distinct. I'm sure Miyazaki still had plenty of input in Kaguya etc but they still don't feel like Miyazaki films. Especially since they don't have any airplanes in them.
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:what As you may recall, the opening of Watership Down is a Creation myth, one in which the essential nature of the characters' universe is portrayed as one of "fear, treachery, bloodlust," but that this nature is, ironically, rooted in the original sin of the rabbits' superior strength, cunning, and virility. In other words, the characters attribute to the negative aspects of their environment a preternatural essence of themselves. This is very similar to how in ancient Hebrew myths, such as the opening chapters of Exodus, the Chosen People are simultaneously oppressed but also fundamentally beyond oppression, and privileged to a divine relationship which bends oppression to its own Will. Zootopia also opens with a Creation myth steeped in "fear, treachery, bloodlust," but the rest of the movie dismantles this didactically, presenting it ostensibly as a racist construct. Because what Zootopia fears isn't precisely that, say, the Sun God really has ordained some animals to be bloodthirsty savages while others are the Chosen few, impotent enlightened. Rather, it's the realization that the world is possessed by fear, treachery, and bloodlust, but there is no Sun God responsible for it, there was no Original Sin, "all the world will be your enemy," but your enemy 'knows not what they do.' In reactionary response to this traumatic realization of the failures of secularism to account for the scope of human suffering outside of American hegemony - the 'mythic' jungles of savagery that are actually contemporary to Zootopia, existing outside its borders - the reactionary response is actually the phenomena of conspiracy theory. The sporadic, 'uncivilized' violence of the oppressed predators is not 'legitimate political dissent,' but a spontaneous outgrowth of a wolf in sheep's clothing using mind-control serum.
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Jul 24, 2016 19:16
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Koramei posted:
well... grave of the fireflies does... ... .....
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Jul 24, 2016 19:24
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genuinely though I was just watching Totoro the other day and noticed how even in that Miyazaki found a way to slip in a scene of Satsuki looking up in awe as a sorta fantasy airplane flies past. the guy knows what he likes I guess
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Jul 24, 2016 19:38
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Koramei posted:I'm sure Miyazaki still had plenty of input in Kaguya etc but they still don't feel like Miyazaki films. Especially since they don't have any airplanes in them. Neither did Ponyo, Mononoke, Sprited Away, and Howl's Moving Castle.  I guess Kiki doesn't either, technically.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:06
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Samuel Clemens posted:Neither did Ponyo, Mononoke, Sprited Away, and Howl's Moving Castle. Kiki had that glider thing.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:08
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seems a little early and presumptive to start making movies about Trump's presidency
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Jul 24, 2016 20:18
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mycot posted:Kiki had that glider thing. it had the hugeass airship too I guess I shoulda said "flying machines", I dunno what of his stuff would actually count as airplanes outside of Porco Rosso and Wind Rises. Howl's is actually one of the ones I think of the most when I think of his air stuff, with all the giant bombers and stuff. Were those in the book or did he add them himself? I know the air stuff in Kiki's was entirely his own addition.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:21
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I get what your saying now but unlike your other two examples I don't think it's an intentional reversal of watership down's backstory specifically
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Jul 24, 2016 20:23
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:I get what your saying now but unlike your other two examples I don't think it's an intentional reversal of watership down's backstory specifically I didn't say "intentionally." I said "didactically," which merely means they're very on the nose about it. As far as intent, the film is intentionally (and poorly) attempting to reverse The Lion King and repurpose Education for Death, but Watership Down is still the closest thematic rival, right down to the 'world-building' and extent of anthropomorphism.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:40
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I don't think that's a way I would use the term didactic.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:43
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To be sure, you don't necessarily need to believe Zootopia is patronizing in order to accurately assess its didacticism. Even people who criticized in favor of the film strongly emphasized, and loosely corroborated with the filmmakers' intention, its nature as both entertainment and a teaching tool. I specifically don't give a poo poo about intent. I'm merely confident that Zootopia both 'is what it is,' and also 'is what it is not.'
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Jul 24, 2016 20:57
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Koramei posted:Howl's is actually one of the ones I think of the most when I think of his air stuff, with all the giant bombers and stuff. Were those in the book or did he add them himself? I know the air stuff in Kiki's was entirely his own addition. The book is significantly different from the film. It's been a long time since I read it, but I think that although the plot point that one country is trying to recruit magicians for a war is definitely in there, and they are trying to recruit Howl, I'm not sure he ever actually goes to war. It makes sense that the film chooses to show it rather than talk about it, though.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:15
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Koramei posted:it had the hugeass airship too The movie is very different from the book. The book doesn't have anything with the whole "Howl becoming a monster"-thing. Also he likes to travel to "our" England to visit a family for some reason (it's a really weird tangent and I'm glad it wasn't included in the movie). Also the MCs family has a much bigger role.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:21
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mycot posted:Kiki had that glider thing. Yeah, I know, I'm being needlessly pedantic. Miyazaki's love for flying is quite obvious in most of his films, the only real exceptions being Mononoke, Ponyo, and arguably Spirited Away. Which is funny, in a way, because two of these three films are probably his most famous works in the West.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:37
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Samuel Clemens posted:Yeah, I know, I'm being needlessly pedantic. Miyazaki's love for flying is quite obvious in most of his films, the only real exceptions being Mononoke, Ponyo, and arguably Spirited Away. Which is funny, in a way, because two of these three films are probably his most famous works in the West. Spirited away has that flying scene with Haku. I don't really see how you can exclude that film.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:47
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Yeah, hence "arguably". The motif's there, but it's much more subdued than in most of his films.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:49
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Samuel Clemens posted:Yeah, I know, I'm being needlessly pedantic. Miyazaki's love for flying is quite obvious in most of his films, the only real exceptions being Mononoke, Ponyo, and arguably Spirited Away. Which is funny, in a way, because two of these three films are probably his most famous works in the West. I like how ponyo cheats this, like there is no actual planes in the actual sky but half the movie is "what if we stood on the bottom or top of the ocean and a bunch of big fish and military boats flew over us or under us.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:56
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The best part of Ponyo is all the lil sea creatures in the back of scenes just chillin
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Jul 24, 2016 22:02
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Which chapter of Watership Down has the dancing tigers? 
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Jul 24, 2016 22:53
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The Gazelle concert is obviously a homage to the original film's ending with "Bright Eyes".
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Jul 24, 2016 22:57
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Hedrigall posted:Which chapter of Watership Down has the dancing tigers? There is the chapter about how the female rabbits sing to induced miscarriage since their warren is so crowded and can't support new life, totally the same thing.
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Jul 24, 2016 23:15
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Guy Mann posted:There is the chapter about how the female rabbits sing to induced miscarriage since their warren is so crowded and can't support new life, totally the same thing. The weird dungeons and dragons/watership down game "burrows and bunnies" has a table to roll if you want to miscarry and I never got over how weird reading that game was.
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Jul 24, 2016 23:28
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The weird dungeons and dragons/watership down game "burrows and bunnies" has a table to roll if you want to miscarry and I never got over how weird reading that game was. When the warren is too crowded, the rabbit has ways of shutting that down (rolling a 6 or higher).
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With a title like "Try Everything," you'd hardly figure that Zootopia climaxes in a dystopian conspiracy. It could have come from Lego Movie, Home, Madagascar 3. "Bright Eyes" sounds like a song from a movie about facing the inevitability of death.
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Jul 25, 2016 00:06
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Robindaybird posted:Though the earlier series gives him more a success rate (note his bemused reaction when he's offered as a Virgin sacrifice). He also isn't generally cornering his victims But also Johnny Bravo is worth it just for the Scooby Doo crossover
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I think the big difference with Johnny Bravo and Pepe is that Johnny is pretty much always shown to be wrong in his street harassment and posturing gig and does learn his lesson a few times. Pepe never learns anything.
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Jul 25, 2016 02:26
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The first season with the rounder art style was also better than the later ones, if my nostalgia is correct
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Jul 25, 2016 02:33
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I dunno, Carl and evil pseudo-Pop Tate were great.
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Looper posted:The first season with the rounder art style was also better than the later ones, if my nostalgia is correct I believe this is also when Seth MacFarlane was writing for the show. I must further add that this was back when Seth MacFarlane was actually pretty funny.
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I don't want to see this movie, but I kind of love this terrible poster. It looks like something that would be used as a background joke in a TV show; A quick "Haha, wouldn't it be hilarious if something this lovely actually got made?" gag. Das Boo posted:I dunno, Carl and evil pseudo-Pop Tate were great. Yeah, I thought the later seasons of Johnny Bravo were pretty good. The only real problem I have with Johnny Bravo is they didn't end the show by having him marry Samurai Jack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IwfYpVhGRk Additional Johnny Bravo Thoughts: Another reason Johnny Bravo is less problematic than Pepe la Pew is that he never physically restrains the women he hits on the way Pepe does. Like, when Pepe "flirts" with a girl he puts her in a headlock as she desperately struggles to get away. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 10:48
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Ha, I just noticed that the baby on the cover of the original book was also doing the Dreamworks eyebrows: 
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Jul 25, 2016 10:57
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Wow, the original art looks 100 times more charismatic.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Additional Johnny Bravo Thoughts: Another reason Johnny Bravo is less problematic than Pepe la Pew is that he never physically restrains the women he hits on the way Pepe does. Like, when Pepe "flirts" with a girl he puts for in a headlock as she desperately struggles to get away. If you watch the first scene with "once upon a dream" in Sleeping Beauty, the prince is doing the same thing to Aurora, constantly reaching out and grabbing her hands to pull her back in as she keeps on backing away. It's really creepy!
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Fangz posted:Wow, the original art looks 100 times more charismatic. Well it should, it's a dead ringer for Dara Ó Briain  Bu then again most babies are.
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Jul 25, 2016 12:29
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Fangz posted:Wow, the original art looks 100 times more charismatic. Plus it works as a visual gag in that he looks both like a short, bald middle-aged man and also like a baby, as opposed to that CGI abomination. e: so basically what Snowglobe said
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Jul 25, 2016 19:12
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and the baby chair also looks like a pared down office desk, adding to visual.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:40
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I feel like offering specific criticisms of the execution of the Boss Baby movie implies a certain acceptance of the concept of a whole and I'm just not willing to engage it on that level
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Jul 25, 2016 19:44
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Yeah OT Boss Baby looks like he actually could be in charge of a major multinational, while TFA Boss Baby looks like a poseur.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I feel like offering specific criticisms of the execution of the Boss Baby movie implies a certain acceptance of the concept of a whole and I'm just not willing to engage it on that level it's didactic, don't you see
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