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Nifft posted:Is GHRP-6 really that effective in human growth hormone production? It would reason that if it was it would require a prescription in order to purchase. I'm curious how USADA decides on something being a PED. How do they measure it's efficacy and decide whether it actually represents an unfair advantage. It seems a fighters union would be able to push back on some of these issues. After a few minutes of googling, GHRP-6 has an elimination half life measured in hours in much, much larger doses than you'd get from a skin cream, and that GHRP-6 gives about 3x greater growth hormone release than actual growth hormone releasing hormone
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Triticum Guzzler posted:After a few minutes of googling, GHRP-6 has an elimination half life measured in hours in much, much larger doses than you'd get from a skin cream, and that GHRP-6 gives about 3x greater growth hormone release than actual growth hormone releasing hormone So chad is full of it?
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Jul 28, 2016 20:48
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Chad it's hard to make money now Mendes
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Jul 28, 2016 20:49
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I appreciate the USADA era because I get to find out about all the effective PED's
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further after looking at the wikipedia page ghrp-6 has a molecular weight too large for it to be used transdermally. you can't discount that if he has psoriasis then it might more easily access the circulation if he has bleeding plaques but now i don't buy his story at all.
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Jul 28, 2016 20:53
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ah poo poo. shucks. it's just bad luck that usada tested me 5 minutes apart and the first time they used a power drill to perform the blood test and i accidentally fell joker style into a vat of my skin cream that i forgot to tell them about 9000 times and it all got into the hole in my arm. i guess i broke the rules but it wasn't my fault.
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Nifft posted:So chad is full of it? I will pay good money to see Chad bathing in peptide cream. Like a fuckin bacta tank of muscle growth
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Jul 28, 2016 21:02
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Triticum Guzzler posted:ah poo poo. shucks. it's just bad luck that usada tested me 5 minutes apart and the first time they used a power drill to perform the blood test and i accidentally fell joker style into a vat of my skin cream that i forgot to tell them about 9000 times and it all got into the hole in my arm. i guess i broke the rules but it wasn't my fault. Lmao That said, his skin DOES seem very smooth and healthy so perhaps this is literally true
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Triticum Guzzler posted:but ultimately, if you have a diagnosis for an autoimmune disease, and you treat that autoimmune disease, and you fail to disclose that medication all 9 times you're tested by usada, and you don't apply for a tue, i'm not sure i buy your story Yeah this Triticum Guzzler posted:further after looking at the wikipedia page ghrp-6 has a molecular weight too large for it to be used transdermally. you can't discount that if he has psoriasis then it might more easily access the circulation if he has bleeding plaques but now i don't buy his story at all. Triticum Guzzler posted:After a few minutes of googling, GHRP-6 has an elimination half life measured in hours in much, much larger doses than you'd get from a skin cream, and that GHRP-6 gives about 3x greater growth hormone release than actual growth hormone releasing hormone Both of these are good reasons why Chad is full of poo poo. Transdermal applications of ghrp-6 are the kind of things you arrive at if you google 'buy ghrp-6' and hit the first few links. Those sites exist because people want to get drug benefits without touching icky, icky needles. Chad A. isn't one of those people but also B. isn't being trained by sports nutrition guys who would fall for that kind of thing anyway. It's important to remember that an elite-level athlete popping for something isn't just like they personally thought some growth hormone releasing peptide six would really give them an extra 4 or 5 seconds of alactic, acardio burst before falling into other energy systems. In places where doping is common, camps (sometimes individual fighters if they have the $$$) will have guys who are exhaustively writing up schedules of use, dosing instructions, tapers, etc. in order to make sure that their fighters are A. Not caught by USADA and B. Not going to take 4x the dose to front load or some other nonsese. When an athlete pops, it's more often than not one of those guys dicking around with molecules that aren't well understood enough to prepare or the 4 or 5 ways USADA is planning on creating a test for them. There's a super interesting game going on where previously the drug advisers at any given (maybe not elite level) camp could adequately plan around the tests being developed/implemented for whatever substances by their regional or national testing organizations. USADA has totally and hilariously gamesharked their way to victory by having way more money to develop and lab cert this poo poo.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:After a few minutes of googling, GHRP-6 has an elimination half life measured in hours in much, much larger doses than you'd get from a skin cream, and that GHRP-6 gives about 3x greater growth hormone release than actual growth hormone releasing hormone USADA is really cool. where's that guy who was pissed off that it takes them 2 weeks to catch stuff like this ? speaking of which hey have you guys ever wanted to see what Conor McGregor's urine looks like? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKBVj9XZxqk champion-level piss, imo.
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david carmichael posted:Nate has a nice throw or two from the clinch, but I'm not sure if he's every attempted a single or a double or anything like that He's done a couple of singles, which'd probably be more effective on the smaller Conor.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:ah poo poo. shucks. it's just bad luck that usada tested me 5 minutes apart and the first time they used a power drill to perform the blood test and i accidentally fell joker style into a vat of my skin cream that i forgot to tell them about 9000 times and it all got into the hole in my arm. i guess i broke the rules but it wasn't my fault. lmao I'm not sure if this extends very far out of the hosed northwest, but the inane headbutting over whether or not an independent org needs to drug test regional fighters is something to watch. For pro fights (amateur was never, ever tested) individual gyms/camps would be sprinting to provide 'clean' urine samples to whatever hapless medical body happened to be designated as the impartial testing committee. oftentimes, at least outside of higher profile matches, gyms would be allowed to collect their own samples. The same way in amateur that gyms are allowed to show their own fighters 'making weight'.
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Bubba Smith posted:USADA is really cool. where's that guy who was pissed off that it takes them 2 weeks to catch stuff like this ? "Even the champ's showers are golden" "Conor, that's not what that means"
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Triticum Guzzler posted:After a few minutes of googling, GHRP-6 has an elimination half life measured in hours in much, much larger doses than you'd get from a skin cream, and that GHRP-6 gives about 3x greater growth hormone release than actual growth hormone releasing hormone can we please stop doing this dance? - just tell me what creams and ointments I should rub on my balls already
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the one downside of usada is that you can just say I humbly accept my incorrect punishment for a skin cream, and it's not a steroid ok, it's just an anti ageing thing and you never get to the point in the hearing where the nsac doctor violently explains why the guy is full of poo poo
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Chris James 2 posted:New owners getting to work Maybe they can make up to Mark Hunt by getting him in this tournament.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:the one downside of usada is that you can just say I humbly accept my incorrect punishment for a skin cream, and it's not a steroid ok, it's just an anti ageing thing and you never get to the point in the hearing where the nsac doctor violently explains why the guy is full of poo poo God that was the best. Actually my favorite NSAC moment (other than the time they offered Chael a job) was when they just verbally gave Floyd a handjob for 10 minutes and went "hey smoke all the weed in your gym that you want and videotape it or whatever, also can we get some pictures?"
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origami posted:can we please stop doing this dance? - just tell me what creams and ointments I should rub on my balls already Of course you're being told that you have to drink it by Triticum Guzzler.
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From a technical point of view Tyrone Woodley has no business winning on Saturday. But it would be the most T-Wood thing ever for him to knock out Robbie and kill the wet dream that is Robbie Lawler vs Stephen Thompson.
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Work Friend Keven posted:We've finally got an even playing field, assuming you don't have like, asthma bad acne or anything like that. If you do you can't compete any more, sorry. u just need to declare it
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Isn't banned stuff banned regardless of if you declare it or not... isn't that what happened to machida.
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Work Friend Keven posted:Isn't banned stuff banned regardless of if you declare it or not... isn't that what happened to machida. If you have a prescription for something which is normally banned, you can apply for a TUE.
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Work Friend Keven posted:Isn't banned stuff banned regardless of if you declare it or not... isn't that what happened to machida. Machida declared he was taking a supplement that was now banned which contained a less than therapuetic level of a PED. One he didnt even test positive for. If you have severe asthma or another medical condition you can apply to the commission/s for an exemption for its use so long as you have the relevant doctors notes etc and are within the expected range of medication when tested. Iirc
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Work Friend Keven posted:Isn't banned stuff banned regardless of if you declare it or not... isn't that what happened to machida. DHEA was not prescribed by a doctor to Machida. Athletes can easily get a TUE for them and are allowed to have whatever the prescribed amount is in their system. No one is going to get suspended for prescribed use of an inhaler. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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what's going on with the machida case anyway? as far as i can tell it's not actually been finalised what suspension he has
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Triticum Guzzler posted:what's going on with the machida case anyway? as far as i can tell it's not actually been finalised what suspension he has I just assumed 12 months. Imo hed be super lucky to get anything less.
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Dan Didio posted:Is Dren prohibited? I can't find very many details on what dren actually is so I can't really tell. Here's the full list http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/wada-2016-prohibited-list-en.pdf
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Eat Bum Zen posted:Yeah this A-Rod had the guy who had it timed down to the minute, almost. He could take testosterone gummy bears in the morning and pass the piss test in the afternoon.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I can't find very many details on what dren actually is so I can't really tell. It's a night-time anabolic muscle activator, duh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Wfo113T1s
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Detroit_Dogg posted:I'm pro-whatever it is that means I don't have to watch Lyoto fight anymore Lyotowns
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Work Friend Keven posted:Isn't banned stuff banned regardless of if you declare it or not... isn't that what happened to machida. if its something you need you can apply for an exemption which youll usually get so long as you can find a doctor to cosign. u can potentially game it a little bit by finding a doctor willing to lie about a diagnosis too, but i doubt anyones getting roids like that, rather stuff like athsma inhalers for nonexistent athsma or maybe tramadol (but i think theyre finally banning tramadol soon)
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Sharzak posted:Lyotowns at being old and bad!!
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I.N.R.I posted:if its something you need you can apply for an exemption which youll usually get so long as you can find a doctor to cosign. u can potentially game it a little bit by finding a doctor willing to lie about a diagnosis too, but i doubt anyones getting roids like that, rather stuff like athsma inhalers for nonexistent athsma or maybe tramadol (but i think theyre finally banning tramadol soon) Well that is good to know but it makes me nervous because you hear about people getting banned for weird stuff in track and field a bunch... I don't know enough about those sports to know if it's a real problem or if people claim to have weird health problems when they pop.
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Work Friend Keven posted:Well that is good to know but it makes me nervous because you hear about people getting banned for weird stuff in track and field a bunch... I don't know enough about those sports to know if it's a real problem or if people claim to have weird health problems when they pop. most sports have massive doping problems, you just dont hear about people getting caught because the testing generally isnt strict. the only guy in the ufc i know of whos been caught and might not have been cheating is machida, maybe. right now theres a lot of people getting caught in mma but thats because the testing right now is imposed on a generation of fighters who were cheating and getting away with it. the next generation will be much cleaner and IMO the fights will be better
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I.N.R.I posted:most sports have massive doping problems, you just dont hear about people getting caught because the testing generally isnt strict. the only guy in the ufc i know of whos been caught and might not have been cheating is machida, maybe. right now theres a lot of people getting caught in mma but thats because the testing right now is imposed on a generation of fighters who were cheating and getting away with it. the next generation will be much cleaner and IMO the fights will be better This is 100% the development currently happening. All the guys from regionals like mine who routinely come in with deltoids the size of that one low carb goon's who killed his cat and paper thin skin ESPECIALLY between 175-205 are now being caught out after 1. Their first pro fight against a sufficiently white trust fund baby who can afford more roids than your standard blue collar concrete worker or 2. the first league which actually gives a poo poo about testing. Like, out of the 8 guys my old bad gym put pro in the last 2 years, 6 were back in amateur regionals being the hometown hero after losing their first 50show/50win paycheck to some short hispanic man with a clear plastic cup.
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