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FaustianQ posted:Based on what the idTech engine can do and the level of optimization in it, Bethesda really should just abandon Gamebryo and make future Fallout/TES titles on idTech. The problem isn't gamebryo, it's the teetering pile of poo poo fettuccine they've perched on top of it.
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xthetenth posted:The problem isn't gamebryo, it's the teetering pile of poo poo fettuccine they've perched on top of it. On top of that, they've tinkered around in the guts so much that it's barely Gamebryo anymore, and Gamebryo wasn't even really a "good" engine to begin with. It's been an unstable piece of poo poo going back to Morrowind, at the least. I think they're sticking with it primarily because it works well enough for what they're trying to do, and at this point they'd have to dump a shitload of money into developing a new engine that allows them to do what they're already doing (and/or plan to do). I mean, it might be possible for id's engines to be adapted to that purpose, but it might also kill off modding, completely disrupt the workflow that they're accustomed to, force their talent to re-learn new tools, etc. I just tried out Overwatch and JESUS CHRIST does Freesync help me track targets. God drat.
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Aug 6, 2016 19:08
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Civ 4 is gamebryo! Just shows you Bethesda sucks.
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Aug 6, 2016 19:26
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Here I am still wondering why 1070s aren't selling to butters by the truckload considering literally half the wattage and the same price or maybe 8% cheaper for the same performance. As bad as AMD's marketing is, their idea that the vast majority of gamers will buy cards sub-$300 is not wrong. They just didn't quite live up to their own minimal hype
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xthetenth posted:Well we need them to keep executing well so we don't have to give more money to nv for their cards. While some of AMD's products have been good AMD has made little to no effort to let anyone know. What do they expect when they slap horrendously bad blower coolers on the cards being sent to reviewers, those cards forever set the standard by which most potential customers judge their products, they should be putting a better cooler on top, especially in cases like the R9 290.
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Aug 6, 2016 19:52
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:While some of AMD's products have been good AMD has made little to no effort to let anyone know. What do they expect when they slap horrendously bad blower coolers on the cards being sent to reviewers, those cards forever set the standard by which most potential customers judge their products, they should be putting a better cooler on top, especially in cases like the R9 290. Yeah, the 290/290x is a great card with a decent cooler on it and undervolted a tad, but in their haste to BEAT THE 780, they basically factory-overclocked it as far as it would go, ending up with a hot, loud card that should have been far more successful than it was. It's plain to see that they designed the card/cooler first, THEN decided how much voltage to put into the drat thing. See the 480 for more of the same.
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Aug 6, 2016 20:08
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The blower design itself actually seems fine this time, rather the heatsink is garbage, because gently caress it why not? I wonder if I could fit an old ref HD4870 heatsink to it, that should be an improvement. I really want the AMD which had it's poo poo together from the HD3000-HD7000 era. Zen pls fix.
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Yeah, I could knock someone cold with the reference HD4870 cooler. It's the Model M of reference blowers.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:While some of AMD's products have been good AMD has made little to no effort to let anyone know. What do they expect when they slap horrendously bad blower coolers on the cards being sent to reviewers, those cards forever set the standard by which most potential customers judge their products, they should be putting a better cooler on top, especially in cases like the R9 290. Yeah, AMD fans are the folks who don't hold it against them and have done the work to know that they're good cards (or the self-delusion to do convince themselves of it), so remembering to factor in that it actually takes work and that markets don't actually work right is hard when you're getting pissed that the video card market's falling apart.
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Wondering if the wise goons in this thread could give some advice... My cousin and I are looking to upgrade our GPU"s, we have nvidia 560's - our machines are 2500K i5's 8 gb ram machines, and would like to upgrade to one of the new midrange cards... I would mostly be using it for 1080p gaming, as my current monitor only does 1680 x 1050, wheras he would be using it for gaming, and watching (in his words "good wholesome 4k porn) on his 4k TV. I figure there's already going to be a slight bottleneck, and right now we're not in a rush to buy (can wait a month or two) - but was wondering what other goons might recommend (as overwatch on my 560 is all on low, same as fallout 4) and no - no buttcoin mining or that - electricity here costs too much.
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Guigui posted:Wondering if the wise goons in this thread could give some advice... A cheap 480/470 or 1060 will be awesome for you if you are looking for new and a warranty.
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Guigui posted:My cousin and I are looking to upgrade our GPU"s, we have nvidia 560's - our machines are 2500K i5's 8 gb ram machines, and would like to upgrade to one of the new midrange cards... I'd go for a 1060. Maybe a 1070 if you feel like splurging, but it's a little overkill at 1080p.
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Aug 6, 2016 22:29
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The basic bitch black dual fan 1060 that looks like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133631 It's sold by PNY in America for 249$ and Palit/Gainward in Euroland for ~279€ incl VAT If you already have a FreeSync monitor and want to use it, a 4GB 470 or 8GB 480 Red Devil from PowerColor, run in silent BIOS mode.
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Aug 6, 2016 23:26
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So I got a EVGA 970GTX on June 2nd, how long would the step up program wait be for a 1070, has anyone done it here?
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I think I'm finally decided on an MSI 470, with a Freesync monitor coming "probably later, possibly never."
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:So I got a EVGA 970GTX on June 2nd, how long would the step up program wait be for a 1070, has anyone done it here? The 1070 is in pretty good supply lately so it should be pretty quick.
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:So I got a EVGA 970GTX on June 2nd, how long would the step up program wait be for a 1070, has anyone done it here? Shouldn't be long, but be aware that EVGA has a 90 day cutoff window for the program. You have about a month so if you want to upgrade, the sooner the better.
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Checking nowinstock and it seems like in the last week or so, GTX 1080's are finally starting to hit reliable availability. Newegg has a whole boatload of different models in stock, including a 649.99 Gigabyte G1 that looks to be the cheapest of the lot to date. Maybe now that OEM's might actually have to compete with each other rather than having whatever stock they have bought out immediately, we might see some small drops in price.
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Craptacular! posted:I think I'm finally decided on an MSI 470, with a Freesync monitor coming "probably later, possibly never." If you do get a 470, get a Freesync monitor. Holy poo poo, do it. It's one of those things you never knew you needed until you see it in action.
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So my monitor is a 1080 at 60hz, I have a new rig with an i56600k and 16 gigs of ram. If I get a 1060 gtx I'll be able to play drat near everything at max settings on this monitor correct? I was planning on getting the 1070 but I'm not ready to spend another 400 on a 2k monitor at 120hz.
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Nitramster posted:So my monitor is a 1080 at 60hz, I have a new rig with an i56600k and 16 gigs of ram. If I get a 1060 gtx I'll be able to play drat near everything at max settings on this monitor correct? I was planning on getting the 1070 but I'm not ready to spend another 400 on a 2k monitor at 120hz. 1060 is a great match for 1080/60.
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1070 in general will give you more breathing room but the 1060 is probably a smarter choice if you don't plan on replacing the monitor.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:100k over a few months is downright depressing. I understand this figure includes all graphics cards, but if the industry only sold 100 times that amount in a year it would be considered an all time low. AMD can sell 100 times of that amount and still only reach 33% marketshare. I don't think people understand how low 100K is even for an industry that has fell off the volume cliff in recent years. Apple ordered somewhere to the tune of 90M A9 SoCs with production starting two quarters before the 6S launch last year, 40% of which made (not to mention Samsung's own S7 Exynos SoCs and Snapdragon 820) by Samsung's 14nm process, which in turn was copied wholesale to GF. The process itself surely must have matured by this point since the mobile guys have zero problems getting 70M+ units of bleeding edge high-clocked parts out of it last year, but once again GF proves to be the poo poo gift to AMD that keeps giving. Palladium fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Aug 7, 2016 |
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Palladium posted:AMD can sell 100 times of that amount and still only reach 33% marketshare. I don't think people understand how low 100K is even for an industry that has fell off the volume cliff in recent years. There are very significant differences between small, low power chips and larger, much higher power chips that make comparisons between them difficult at best.
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I'll laugh if most of AMD's GPU production has been eaten up instead by surefire sales with Apple and Sony, hell they have Xbox One S chips in production at TSMC.
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Gonkish posted:If you do get a 470, get a Freesync monitor. Holy poo poo, do it. It's one of those things you never knew you needed until you see it in action. I attest to that. I have a 390x and a XR341CK. The Witcher is very playable at 3440 x 1440 on ultra because of freesync. It really smoothes out those fps dips. Your 470 will last longer because a freesync monitor will compensate for lower frame rates in the coming years.
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Lockback posted:1070 in general will give you more breathing room but the 1060 is probably a smarter choice if you don't plan on replacing the monitor. Yeah, this kind of needs to go into the OP (or something similar): 1060: Perfect for 1080p/1200p, average to above average for 1440p@60Hz, depending on the game. 1070: Perfect for 1440p@60Hz and slightly higher in a lot of circumstances, merely 'average to fair' at 4K. 1080: Perfect for high-refresh 1440p, average to decent at 4K, just don't expect a rock-solid 60fps @ 4K, since you won't get it. Titan XP: gently caress you, Richie Rich, you already know this card is awesome at pretty much everything or you wouldn't be entertaining the thought of buying it. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Aug 7, 2016 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Yeah, this kind of needs to go into the OP (or something similar): From what I can tell the 1070 is significantly better than that, and I haven't even upgraded my CPU and RAM yet (running an i5 2400 and 8 gigs of ddr3). Like pushing 90-144 in most everything except maybe Fallout 4, GTA 5, and Rise of the Tomb Raider. And that's at 1440p.
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DrNutt posted:From what I can tell the 1070 is significantly better than that, and I haven't even upgraded my CPU and RAM yet (running an i5 2400 and 8 gigs of ddr3). Like pushing 90-144 in most everything except maybe Fallout 4, GTA 5, and Rise of the Tomb Raider. And that's at 1440p. It's your CPU holding you back there, you ought to be able to hit 90FPS in FO4 easy with a 1070, 75FPS in GTA5 and around 60FPS in RotTR all at 1440p. So yeah, the 1070 is great for 1440p as long as you don't demand that you hit 144FPS 24/7 in every game, and if you want that you'll need a pair of Titan XPs and a lot of hope that the SLI scaling in the game you are trying to play works well.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:It's your CPU holding you back there, you ought to be able to hit 90FPS in FO4 easy with a 1070, 75FPS in GTA5 and around 60FPS in RotTR all at 1440p. So yeah, the 1070 is great for 1440p as long as you don't demand that you hit 144FPS 24/7 in every game, and if you want that you'll need a pair of Titan XPs and a lot of hope that the SLI scaling in the game you are trying to play works well. Yeah, obviously. I just kind of thought it seemed like BIG HEADLINE was selling the 1070 a little short with that description, considering the kind of frame rates I've been consistently getting in Overwatch and Doom. Especially Doom. gently caress Doom is really impressive.
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DrNutt posted:From what I can tell the 1070 is significantly better than that, and I haven't even upgraded my CPU and RAM yet (running an i5 2400 and 8 gigs of ddr3). Like pushing 90-144 in most everything except maybe Fallout 4, GTA 5, and Rise of the Tomb Raider. And that's at 1440p. Amended.
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So the 1070 is pretty solid for 1080p144 then, I take it? That probably just saved me a few hundred bucks in a few months. 
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Kazinsal posted:So the 1070 is pretty solid for 1080p144 then, I take it? Yeah, it should be fine for that resolution in all but the most demanding games, for example the 1070 gets 100FPS in GTAV, 80FPS in TW3 and 130FPS in BF4.
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Kazinsal posted:So the 1070 is pretty solid for 1080p144 then, I take it? Yeah, since I don't have more than two monitors and I wasn't trying to future proof myself for 4k (a fool's errand at this point unless you want to drop 1200 on a Titan), the 1070 was a great bargain. I mean, as much of a bargain as a 400+ dollar graphics card can be.
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Got a 240$ Zotac GTX 1060 Mini for my mITX build today. Going to play on 2560x1080 with easy to run games mostly. 240$ for 1060 is pretty drat good deal right?
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Yeah isn't the SRP $250? I've been keeping an eye out and don't think that I've seen it go for $240
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah isn't the SRP $250? I've been keeping an eye out and don't think that I've seen it go for $240 One pop up earlier today on Newegg. Did 15$ off with Visa Checkout.
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Another Poster posted:Got a 240$ Zotac GTX 1060 Mini for my mITX build today. Going to play on 2560x1080 with easy to run games mostly. 240$ for 1060 is pretty drat good deal right? Yeah it looks to be the only sanely priced 1060 so far in any sort of meaningful supply.
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Palladium posted:AMD can sell 100 times of that amount and still only reach 33% marketshare. I don't think people understand how low 100K is even for an industry that has fell off the volume cliff in recent years. It makes me curious how many Pascal cards have been sold so far. Do these figures ever get released? We know the GTX 970 was a hit, but I'm wondering if there's a source for that other than hardware surveys.
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Kazinsal posted:So the 1070 is pretty solid for 1080p144 then, I take it? Probably the perfect card for it, yes, maybe somewhat overkill at the moment. I'm on 1080p144Hz as well. With everything on ultra in Witcher 3 (except HairWorks), I tend to get 85-90 FPS in outdoor environments (except when it's raining  ). This is with an i7-6700k overclocked to 4.5GHz and 16GB of DDR4-3000MHz RAM.e: sorry for double post
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