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WayneCampbell posted:So I popped a dude's arm the other night. I've never injured anyone prior to this and applied the submission like I always do. Secure and control the limb and very slowly apply pressure until they tap. I'll abandon submissions If I feel like I'm losing control or I feel like it's going too deep and other person for whatever reason doesn't want to tap. Dude was a higher belt, has maybe 2 years of training on me and was in the process of fighting out of it. He confirmed I didn't ignore a tap. I say it's on him. If it was a white belt or a newbie or something then I'd say that there's shared fault, but if he's experienced, he should know that it's his job to communicate that to you.
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I was the most senior person in the beginner class tonight. That's mostly because the regular killers were all cutting weight or otherwise prepping for the fight but still it was a pretty cool feeling. It made me realize I still don't even have a white belt yet-- Does anyone else go to a gym where they don't do belts for BJJ?
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Caught a heel attack of some sort on one of the senior dudes in my beginner class last night. As a tall guy I feel like I am constantly in a position to attack heels, but nobody has actually taught me any attacks so I am kinda hesitant to do it because I don't want to injure. Academy has no rules against it though so maybe I should just learn some on my own time to practice.
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soy posted:Caught a heel attack of some sort on one of the senior dudes in my beginner class last night. As a tall guy I feel like I am constantly in a position to attack heels, but nobody has actually taught me any attacks so I am kinda hesitant to do it because I don't want to injure. Academy has no rules against it though so maybe I should just learn some on my own time to practice. Really the actual submission holds themselves aren't that difficult to understand. The best place to start would be to see if anyone else in your academy wants to work on them, and then figure out a few drills to do together. The leg game is made of many 50-50 positions and transitions, so it's quite convenient to use leg drills for warmups.
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soy posted:Caught a heel attack of some sort on one of the senior dudes in my beginner class last night. As a tall guy I feel like I am constantly in a position to attack heels, but nobody has actually taught me any attacks so I am kinda hesitant to do it because I don't want to injure. Academy has no rules against it though so maybe I should just learn some on my own time to practice. You really should have close supervision from your instructor if you want to do heel attacks. contrarily to other techniques, you're going to be out for a long time if you get hurt by one and it's not something I would recommend training if you're training with another guy that doesn't know what he's doing either. I'd start with Reilly bodycomb's No Kurtka vol.1 and 2 DVD if you want or buy the seminar he has on grapplers guide, it's a bit more recent but may be unavailable, it's on sale for the last time online but both are high quality if you're interested in leg attacks. I can't speak for other DVD's on the subject but Reilly makes good instructionals. There's also leglock academy but I haven't found anything about the course that made me buy it yet. Has anyone here checked it out? Odddzy fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Odddzy posted:You really should have close supervision from your instructor if you want to do heel attacks. contrarily to other techniques, you're going to be out for a long time if you get hurt by one and it's not something I would recommend training if you're training with another guy that doesn't know what he's doing either. Any good resources on DEFENDING leg attacks? I was listening to a Tom DeBlass interview recently where he said he could give 95% of the bjj population an outside heel hook and they wouldn't be able to finish on him, I want to learn that.
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Sharzak posted:I was the most senior person in the beginner class tonight. That's mostly because the regular killers were all cutting weight or otherwise prepping for the fight but still it was a pretty cool feeling. It made me realize I still don't even have a white belt yet-- Does anyone else go to a gym where they don't do belts for BJJ? They use colored shirts at my gym instead of belts to delineate rank. It's not just grappling, though, but overall MMA skill that's taken into account.
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WayneCampbell posted:Any good resources on DEFENDING leg attacks? I was listening to a Tom DeBlass interview recently where he said he could give 95% of the bjj population an outside heel hook and they wouldn't be able to finish on him, I want to learn that. To defend the legs you've got to be able to understand how they can be attacked and that comes with practising both defense and attack. Whomever want to chime in here is welcome to as I don't believe myself to be an authority on this. As far as i'm concerned, If I know a guy needs to pin my free leg between his legs to pin me on the gorund and finish a heelhook, you can be sure i'm not going to give him that free leg. As I said, get Reilly's instructional or follow the recommendations of others here, some stuff might be more current and i'm sure others have found useful resources online on the subject. There's also a cheap instructional available online on vimeo for 15$ made by Stephen Koepfer on the fundamentals of leglocks. He's Reilly Bodycomb's old Sambo coach and it's a cheap option if you don't want to spend too much money on the subject. a bunch of guys here do leglocks and do them at a much higher level of understanding than I do them so listen to them too if they chime in.
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WayneCampbell posted:Any good resources on DEFENDING leg attacks? I was listening to a Tom DeBlass interview recently where he said he could give 95% of the bjj population an outside heel hook and they wouldn't be able to finish on him, I want to learn that. Some people have rubber feet that you can contort into pretty sick directions and they won't feel anything and be fine unless you rip the crap out of it. I dunno wether to envy these guys or pity them.
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While rolling today, my partner tried to take my back and accidentally gave me the standard "armbar across my shoulder" counter. I wasn't quite able to finish it (safely) before he escaped, but I'm pretty sure I could have gotten the tap (with significant risk of injury) if I had just cranked as hard as possible the instant I saw the opening, which got me thinking. Of course, I'm gonna err heavily on the side of not injuring my partner while training, and I'd go for it without hesitation in a self-defense situation, but where would competition fall on that spectrum? Is it OK or possibly even expected for competitors to apply submissions so fast that their opponent may not have time to tap before injury? Put another way, what's the worst injury you'd seriously risk giving your opponent in order to win?
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I don't think I'd ever attempt to finish a neck crank, jaw lock, toe hold, or leg lock. Would finish chokes and arm attacks if he just wouldn't tap at all after giving him gradual pressure. My coach says, in competition, worry about protecting yourself, don't try to go out and end the other guys life or try to break him, but don't lose sleep if the dude won't tap if you give him an opportunity and you end up breaking something Thinking about it I have seen a few times at the blue belt and nogi equivalent where it looked a dude just straight up ripped the dudes arm off. I won't say I didn't hope some karma went back at him if he did it on purpose or couldn't control himself. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Nestharken posted:While rolling today, my partner tried to take my back and accidentally gave me the standard "armbar across my shoulder" counter. I wasn't quite able to finish it (safely) before he escaped, but I'm pretty sure I could have gotten the tap (with significant risk of injury) if I had just cranked as hard as possible the instant I saw the opening, which got me thinking. As you get more experienced, you'll learn to stop at full extension even on "fast" subs to give your opponent a moment to tap. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Keenan vs Gordon is live The match is still going and also owns. They're getting pretty tuckered out though. Nearly an hour in, Keenan defending leg locks by folding his own legs in lotus style and helpfully informing Ryan that he won't be able to move them Match over. Almost an hour and a half? That was freakin great Decades fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Decades posted:Keenan vs Gordon is live i hadn't even heard of gordon ryan until ebi 6 and now he's tapping keenan.
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It's crazy. And from the sounds of it little brother Nicky Ryan is the next prodigy on deck.
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Competed in my first completion today after 7 months of training (gi). Tapped due to arm bar in the 2nd minute. Best experience so far in jiu jitsu. Was awesome fun and can't wait to go again at the next one. Edit: I have so much too work on. Like takedown since I've done all of 5 minutes drilling them. Digital Jedi fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Great job, well done!
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Digital Jedi posted:Competed in my first completion today after 7 months of training (gi). Tapped due to arm bar in the 2nd minute. Best experience so far in jiu jitsu. How often a week do you train? I've been at it for about five months three times a week now and wouldn't think of competing in two months, maybe at a year mark. That's not meant as a knock I was just wondering if that was pretty early to compete or not.
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I first competed three months in. I'd say the average from what I've seen is that people who are going to compete usually start around six months in.
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Hmm ok that's a lot earlier than I thought. I sort of put it out of my mind because we have a lot of very good whites (ex-judo, wrestler, sambo) at my gym and it puts into perspective the level of whitebelt that could be at a competition. e- I also do basically half gi half no-gi as well so that adds to my wariness in entering a gi competition this early Seltzer fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Regardless of how many months you wait as a white belt you'll most likely just get your rear end kicked anyway
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origami posted:Regardless of how many months you wait as a white belt you'll most likely just get your rear end kicked anyway probably true. you're up against some guys that have been doing it for like 2 years, or maybe they invented sambo but started bjj last week and you won't know until you get humiliated in front of your coach and family member of choice
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Seltzer posted:How often a week do you train? I've been at it for about five months three times a week now and wouldn't think of competing in two months, maybe at a year mark. That's not meant as a knock I was just wondering if that was pretty early to compete or not. I train 3 times a week (7-9 hours total a week). I was ready enough to give it a shot. I really just wanted to get the experience of competing. I've never done anything like this and now for my next one I'll be slightly more prepared now I know some of my major faults (I have zero takedowns or standup skill Marching Powder posted:probably true. you're up against some guys that have been doing it for like 2 years, or maybe they invented sambo but started bjj last week and you won't know until you get humiliated in front of your coach and family member of choice That is one of the reasons my coach warned me about but was still cool with it. In April a classmate (white belt) matched against a guy that turned out to be a black belt w/ 13+ years experience in judo. Guy was throwing my teammate around so many times. It was fairly clear he was outmatched. Things like it happen at white. Another classmate was a division 1 wrestler in college but our professor wouldn't let him complete till blue belt because of it.
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Digital Jedi posted:Another classmate was a division 1 wrestler in college but our professor wouldn't let him complete till blue belt because of it. That's cool and fair and I wish more people did this
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I competed after about a year and in my first match ever I got crushed by a fit guy who had been training for three weeks
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:I competed after about a year and in my first match ever I got crushed by a fit guy who had been training for three weeks This is me rolling at the gym every single week.
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I did my first competition after 2 months of training. It's a fun experience, just get out there and learn something.
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I'm up to training 6x a week now and while jiu jitsu is good and fun the competition training classes seem really intense and not fun. Godspeed to anyone who adds that extra stress to their life
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Do you feel like they add a lot to your skill?
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Odddzy posted:Do you feel like they add a lot to your skill? Yes
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Bubba Smith posted:I'm up to training 6x a week now and while jiu jitsu is good and fun the competition training classes seem really intense and not fun. Godspeed to anyone who adds that extra stress to their life Jay's 2 months of training Jiu jitsu is not like most--he probably got more done in two months than I have in 8.
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Had my first comp a year in, won my first match, lost the final, then got promoted to blue and lost the subsequent 5 matches lol. Oh well. I'll try again in 13 days. That record though... Oy
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I thought this was cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOiPfkwt7vQ Nierbo fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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I did a BJJ comp about 6 weeks into training regularly. I went 1-2 in gi and 0-1 in no gi.
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I did a sambo tournament after training about 6 months and broke my ankle 
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I did a no-gi tournament about five months in and went 0-1 against a guy who looked like Terry Crews.
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I did a Judo tournament about a month after starting and went 5-1 to win the beginner division but I'd wrestled for a long time so wasn't starting from scratch. That was also the only tournament I've ever been to that did true double elimination. After I won the winners bracket I had to fight the guy who emerged from the losers bracket (same guy I'd beaten in the last match after he won the true second match) and he subbed me, but since I hadn't taken any losses yet and he had we went again a few minutes later and I tossed him. It makes me appreciate why everyone else does modified double elimination. That was a bunch of extra and confusing matches at the end of the day.
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I was at an inhouse competition, posted my hand on the mat trying to get up when a dude tried to go for a straight ankle lock and I broke my hand.
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Do most people here have one person or more they mostly refuse to roll with for reasons other than fear of getting injured? At this point there's a guy I've decided isn't worth it to roll with because I've figured we probably won't ever get along. Do these weird beefs sometimes eventually get settled for others here? I'm sure they do but it's been going on for the better part of a year and i'm curious to hear the stories of others. Edit : Sorry for the doublepost, I don't post too often usually.
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Odddzy posted:Do most people here have one person or more they mostly refuse to roll with for reasons other than fear of getting injured? At this point there's a guy I've decided isn't worth it to roll with because I've figured we probably won't ever get along. Do these weird beefs sometimes eventually get settled for others here? I'm sure they do but it's been going on for the better part of a year and i'm curious to hear the stories of others. This is from the perspective of a guy who has only been rolling for 3 months, but I can think of two guys who I do not want to roll with again because they are dicks. Not friendly to talk to and if I had to guess are taking a lot of their life frustrations out in the gym. They stand out so much because everybody else in the gym is cool as hell. There was some fatherdog post in here semi-recently I think where he said that there are assholes in any hobby and jiu jitsu, despite rooting itself in respecting others, is no different (or something like that). So in my opinion there's no reason to worry about the one guy who you don't get along with when you know there are like 20 other great people in class.
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