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Jrbg: May 20, 2014

It doesn't sound too far from Finnegans Wake. My worry is that it sounds a bit like Joyce: The Remake which our culture definitely doesn't need much more of. But I hope it's good.

Meanwhile in genuinely bad new literature by a genuinely mediocre writer:
https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/775054055047659521

# ? Sep 11, 2016 21:46

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 00:03

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

jsoh posted:

Earlier in the novel Mr. Moore establishes the idea of the language of the angels: Words that sound like nonsense, but unfold within the mind of the listener to contain layers of meaning and metaphor. This entire chapter is an attempt to capture that experience, composed entirely of a made-up language.

So jabberwocky

# ? Sep 11, 2016 21:52

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

just fyi I would rather stomp on my own balls until I died than read a 1300 page Alan Moore novel

# ? Sep 11, 2016 21:57

chernobyl kinsman: Mar 18, 2007; a friend of the friendly atom; Soiled Meat

J_RBG posted:

It doesn't sound too far from Finnegans Wake. My worry is that it sounds a bit like Joyce: The Remake

im not sure the guy who wrote multiple volumes about the erotic adventures of dorothy from the wizard of oz is going to effectively move in on james joyce's territory any time soon

e: lol

quote:

The third and most difficult part is written in a series of literary pastiches, including a Beckett-like play and an entire chapter written in a language invented by Lucia Joyce, the institutionalized daughter of James Joyce.

this shameful 'me too' poo poo

chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Sep 11, 2016

# ? Sep 11, 2016 23:01

Lunchmeat Larry: Nov 3, 2012

J_RBG posted:

It doesn't sound too far from Finnegans Wake. My worry is that it sounds a bit like Joyce: The Remake which our culture definitely doesn't need much more of. But I hope it's good.

Meanwhile in genuinely bad new literature by a genuinely mediocre writer:
https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/775054055047659521

this is incredible

# ? Sep 11, 2016 23:24

Gorn Myson: Aug 8, 2007

Everything I've read from Ian McEwan (so Atonement, Solar and Saturday) has been loving shite, but at least that sounds stupid enough that it might actually be interesting to read.

# ? Sep 11, 2016 23:53

A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

J_RBG posted:

It doesn't sound too far from Finnegans Wake. My worry is that it sounds a bit like Joyce: The Remake which our culture definitely doesn't need much more of. But I hope it's good.

Meanwhile in genuinely bad new literature by a genuinely mediocre writer:
https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/775054055047659521

Carlos Fuentes wrote a book where an unborn baby is the narrator, and I guarantee you that it's much better than whatever this is

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:01

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

A human heart posted:

Carlos Fuentes wrote a book where an unborn baby is the narrator, and I guarantee you that it's much better than whatever this is

That's because Carlos Fuentes loving owned and should have won a Nobel

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:11

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Between Ian McEwan, Jonathan Safren Froer and others, I am stunned by the long divide between contemporary authors writing good exciting diverse fiction and the weird old gods of NYC/London publishing and their dull white male shoegaze

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:12

Jrbg: May 20, 2014

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Between Ian McEwan, Jonathan Safren Froer and others, I am stunned by the long divide between contemporary authors writing good exciting diverse fiction and the weird old gods of NYC/London publishing and their dull white male shoegaze

shoegaze is good, Ian McEwan is, in fact, bad

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:13

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

I've only read the first chapter of Atonement and I liked it when the guy's pelvis got obliterated falling from a balloon.

A human heart posted:

Carlos Fuentes wrote a book where an unborn baby is the narrator, and I guarantee you that it's much better than whatever this is

S'called Nutshell, cause it's a foetal retelling of Hamlet except instead of ending with megadeath the baby narks on his mum by forcing an early labour after she murdered his dad.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:19

Jrbg: May 20, 2014

Mr. Squishy posted:

I've only read the first chapter of Atonement and I liked it when the guy's pelvis got obliterated falling from a balloon.

That's Enduring Love and that's the only good bit in Ian McEwan's oeuvre

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:23

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Carlos Fuentes once wrote a novel that ended with the last man and woman on earth loving each other until they became a divine hermaphrodite and ascended to heaven

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:43

jsoh: Mar 24, 2007; O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight

Mel Mudkiper posted:

just fyi I would rather stomp on my own balls until I died than read a 1300 page Alan Moore novel

# ? Sep 12, 2016 01:43

Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

Mel Mudkiper posted:

just fyi I would rather stomp on my own balls until I died than read a 1300 page Alan Moore novel

Does it have pictures or not

# ? Sep 12, 2016 02:17

david crosby: Mar 2, 2007

Mel Mudkiper posted:

just fyi I would rather stomp on my own balls until I died than read a 1300 page Alan Moore novel

Not me. I'd rather read the novel than kill myself in a wacky way.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 02:34

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

david crosby posted:

Not me. I'd rather read the novel than kill myself in a wacky way.

It was hyperbole

Everyone knows I don't actually have balls

# ? Sep 12, 2016 02:54

the_homemaster: Dec 7, 2015

Diverse fiction is bad

# ? Sep 12, 2016 03:41

CestMoi: Sep 16, 2011

Mel Mudkiper posted:

So jabberwocky

Your brain is stupid

# ? Sep 12, 2016 04:48

Smoking Crow: Feb 14, 2012; *laughs at u*

Alan Moore's novel will probably be ok, but I'm not going to read it

# ? Sep 12, 2016 07:18

A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

the_homemaster posted:

Diverse fiction is bad

Who are you addressing with this post?

# ? Sep 12, 2016 09:55

fridge corn: Apr 2, 2003; NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN

Im still reading Mason & Dixon and still nothing has happened

# ? Sep 12, 2016 10:30

Twerkteam Pizza: Sep 26, 2015; Grimey Drawer

Smoking Crow posted:

Alan Moore's novel will probably be ok, but I'm not going to read it

B-but what about Watchmen

# ? Sep 12, 2016 11:37

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

I liked the voice of the fire when I read it so I won't join in on this roasting of Alan Moore even though it seems very fun.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 11:51

Invicta{HOG}, M.D.: Jan 16, 2002

I haven't read Alan Moore except Watchman but would read this book if enough people I trust like it because that is a reasonable thing to do and I like the books that he is apparently trying to emulate.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 12:12

The Belgian: Oct 28, 2008

fridge corn posted:

Im still reading Mason & Dixon and still nothing has happened

Nothing ever does, but it's still extremely good.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 12:14

Lunchmeat Larry: Nov 3, 2012

I don't think this can possibly be as good as his three million issue comic about a woman tripping and falling into a swimming pool and being raped by a Deep One and getting pregnant with Cthulhu

# ? Sep 12, 2016 13:21

Nanomashoes: Aug 18, 2012

The Belgian posted:

Nothing ever does, but it's still extremely good.

I disagree, many things happen in Mason & Dixon.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 13:28

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

CestMoi posted:

Your brain is stupid

Sorry if you didn't realize part of Jabberwocky was noticing how your brain creates context out of gibberish

# ? Sep 12, 2016 13:35

hog fat: Aug 31, 2016; my radical adherence to stoicism demands I be a raging islamophobic asshole. perhaps ten more days on twitter will teach me the errors of my ways

is Wendell Berry any good? can I read the Port William novels anachronistically?

# ? Sep 12, 2016 14:06

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

Nanomashoes posted:

I disagree, many things happen in Mason & Dixon.

Yeah, these posts aren't making sense. A great many (rather preposterous) things happen in M&D. There's a musical number by an English bulldog on like page 20.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 15:21

CestMoi: Sep 16, 2011

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Sorry if you didn't realize part of Jabberwocky was noticing how your brain creates context out of gibberish

There is not a single part of Jabberwocky that is gibberish

# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:03

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

CestMoi posted:

There is not a single part of Jabberwocky that is gibberish

is this going to be one of those things where we are forced to be pedantic about what kind of nonsensical words count as being gibberish

# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:30

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

is this going to be one of those things where we are forced to be pedantic about what kind of nonsensical words count as being gibberish

The ones you post. loving bazinga.

# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:43

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

I think it's in a sense too charitable to talk about "gibberish" or even "nonsense verse" when what you're talking about is 1) puns on existing English words 2) descriptive made-up words like onomatopoeia

Like, "uffish", "beamish" and "chortle" are evocative in the same way that existing words like "mellifluous" are - I don't think most people could define what "mellifluous" means, yet it's connotations are self evident

And the flipside of that is that you cannot write actual, literal gibberish which also somehow conveys meaning. Language doesn't work like that, you need the arbitrary sign upon which to hang the non-arbitrary sign

# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:52

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Ras Het posted:

I think it's in a sense too charitable to talk about "gibberish" or even "nonsense verse" when what you're talking about is 1) puns on existing English words 2) descriptive made-up words like onomatopoeia

Like, "uffish", "beamish" and "chortle" are evocative in the same way that existing words like "mellifluous" are - I don't think most people could define what "mellifluous" means, yet it's connotations are self evident

And the flipside of that is that you cannot write actual, literal gibberish which also somehow conveys meaning. Language doesn't work like that, you need the arbitrary sign upon which to hang the non-arbitrary sign

yeah thats fair

# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:58