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So, I'm sitting here, reading an article about a film called "I Wait for the Moment That You Love Me" movie that came out recently. I read the synopsis, and it dawned on me: These are literal children. What do they know about love? I often wonder what high school was like for manga-Ka's who write in this particular genre (would it be right to call it a genre?) BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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High School Is Such A Serious Thing, These Problems Matter
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There are a number of reasons for this, but one element to keep in mind is that for whatever reason (possibly because both Junior and High school are 3 years as opposed to the 2/4 years common in America) Middle School is often given more focus in Japan when it comes to fiction (high school-related fiction and romance is also common in the West, so that isn't something unique to Japan). College also doesn't have the same cultural association as it does in the US (in the sense of being this fun time when you expand your horizons, etc), so high/middle school sort of fills the roll that a lot of college-related fiction does in the US.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 04:37 |
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Because young girls that don't know what real sex is or how actual men behave won't ridicule and mock the sad over weight losers that like anime. The same reasoning applies to the way male protagonists are always very skilled at whatever dorky hobby anime nerds like or are training in something that dorks think makes you instantly acceptable (swords, Kung fu etc) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 04:41 |
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For the same reason American TV is always set in LA or New York.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 04:44 |
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Ytlaya posted:There are a number of reasons for this, but one element to keep in mind is that for whatever reason (possibly because both Junior and High school are 3 years as opposed to the 2/4 years common in America) Middle School is often given more focus in Japan when it comes to fiction (high school-related fiction and romance is also common in the West, so that isn't something unique to Japan). College also doesn't have the same cultural association as it does in the US (in the sense of being this fun time when you expand your horizons, etc), so high/middle school sort of fills the roll that a lot of college-related fiction does in the US. I feel like this somewhat plays a role in Japanese Pop Culture's absolutely insane obsession with youth (even moreso than western society), where you're considered "old" if youre in your 30s
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 04:47 |
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anime is for children and manchildren
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 04:56 |
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kids are cute.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 05:05 |
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1) A lot of this stuff is actually aimed at kids and teens 2) It's a point of reference everyone has, which a lot of people see as free establishing point for their stories. The setting offers a ubiquity and it's potential for high drama with relatively few serious, narrative-derailing complications. People love slotting characters into the variety of cliches that the setting presents too. High school AU fan-fiction is a thing for a reason. A bad one, but still. 3) There is a pop culture myth in Japan that your life basically is over if you haven't got your poo poo sorted out before you finish high school. 4) Perverts
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 05:08 |
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Manchild here
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 05:09 |
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504 posted:Because young girls that don't know what real sex is or how actual men behave won't ridicule and mock the sad over weight losers that like anime.
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Endorph posted:now how do you explain all the women-targeted anime quote:Because young HUMAN that don't know what real sex is or how actual ADULT behave won't ridicule and mock the sad over weight losers that like anime.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 05:11 |
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504 posted:Because young girls that don't know what real sex is or how actual men behave won't ridicule and mock the sad over weight losers that like anime.
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Endorph posted:now how do you explain all the women-targeted anime they're probably a figment of your imagination
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Endorph posted:now how do you explain all the women-targeted anime It's actually kinda interesting how the tropes differ between shoujo and shounen romances. In shounen the MC is either a loser who acquires the affection of a bunch of girls through either "saving them" in some way or just completely arbitrarily. The MC also is usually very average looking and not particularly attractive or unattractive*. In shoujo, the protagonist, while stated to be "average", is usually quite pretty (though more in the sense of being skinny/cute rather than having big boobs, etc), and guys usually end up interested in her because she's "not like all those other girls" (who are often depicted as being universally terrible unless they're the protagonist's close friends - it's actually kinda interesting how vicious a lot of shoujo manga is in its depiction of any girls outside of the protagonist's close circle). Despite its problems, overall I prefer the shoujo depictions because the love interests don't tend to fawn over the protagonist as much. * There are exceptions to this, like the series Domestic Kanojo, which is a pretty bad manga but I have to give it credit for the fact that the protagonist is a really good looking talented novelist, so it's actually pretty realistic that so many girls would be interested in him. Interestingly the author is a woman, so this might help account for why the protagonist is more realistically depicted as the type of guy girls would be attracted to.
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I believe the most commonly cited reason is that, since Japanese professional culture is a hell of long hours, forced socialization with people you don't like, isolation from your family, and unrealistic productivity goals without end, people idolize their school youth add the only time they were ever free
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Endorph posted:now how do you explain all the women-targeted anime Gay dudes (this answer may not bear close examination)
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 06:57 |
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Anime owns - a manchild
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 09:19 |
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This reminds me that I never saw the first movie because I was too lazy to go to the cinema. Thanks for reminding me, OP. I'll make sure not to miss the second film if it ever comes to Korea.
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Ytlaya posted:It's actually kinda interesting how the tropes differ between shoujo and shounen romances. In shounen the MC is either a loser who acquires the affection of a bunch of girls through either "saving them" in some way or just completely arbitrarily. The MC also is usually very average looking and not particularly attractive or unattractive*. In shoujo, the protagonist, while stated to be "average", is usually quite pretty (though more in the sense of being skinny/cute rather than having big boobs, etc), and guys usually end up interested in her because she's "not like all those other girls" (who are often depicted as being universally terrible unless they're the protagonist's close friends - it's actually kinda interesting how vicious a lot of shoujo manga is in its depiction of any girls outside of the protagonist's close circle). Despite its problems, overall I prefer the shoujo depictions because the love interests don't tend to fawn over the protagonist as much.
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Endorph posted:i dont think youve read a lot of shoujo manga or played a lot of otome games I've watched this a few times, that's probably enough
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Stop getting mad about dumb things, OP.
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this is the only showjoe i need
Relin fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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Besides other reasons, the high school setting could probably be called a genre of its own by now and it gives writers a lot troops to use. It is a lot easier to have the characters be in the same class or club and fight the school council or the headmaster or whatever than to write a new setting. It also lends itself to parody and it lets the work focus on other things.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 14:34 |
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Where is that from?
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Mordaedil posted:Where is that from? http://bato.to/reader#a1b283960a3e90b0
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 20:59 |
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supposedly there's a bunch of working adult manga out there and our bitch rear end scanlators aren't translating it
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504 posted:Gay dudes (this answer may not bear close examination) Actually, the anime about gay dudes are targeted at women
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what are the good college anime or manga other than tatami galaxy? this is an actual question
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 21:02 |
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the microbe one e; moyashimon
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Countblanc posted:what are the good college anime or manga other than tatami galaxy? this is an actual question Silver Spoon is farm college
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Genshiken, but not Genshiken Nidaime
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Countblanc posted:what are the good college anime or manga other than tatami galaxy? this is an actual question honey and clover
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Endorph posted:honey and clover oh yeah i remember that one
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You might get a wider range of opinions on this one, but Golden Time.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 22:47 |
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Endorph posted:i dont think youve read a lot of shoujo manga or played a lot of otome games Hm, I actually have, though it's entirely possible my perception is skewed. I'll admit that the first cliche I'm describing tends to be present more commonly in average/bad shoujo (and the ones we discuss in the shoujo/romance thread tend to be much better). And I guess that shounen romances also tend to be pretty vicious towards any love competitors. If you're referring to the "fawns of the protagonist" thing, it's true that the love interests obviously seek out the attention of the protagonist a lot, but they don't seem to view her in such a ridiculous light as shounen love interests ("X is so kind and wonderful"). Regardless, the cliches don't seem quite as universal as they are in shounen; it's pretty easy to find shoujo manga that don't have these characteristics, but almost all shounen romances are similar. edit: I wonder if we're going to see an upswing in high school/college-based fiction in the West as young adulthood starts to become more and more bleak.
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DisDisDis posted:supposedly there's a bunch of working adult manga out there and our bitch rear end scanlators aren't translating it There's tons of it. This thread's argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny and it should be locked and gassed.
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DisDisDis posted:supposedly there's a bunch of working adult manga out there and our bitch rear end scanlators aren't translating it it's nice that BL doesn't have this problem since if you want to read about salarymen or college guys or old dudes there's quite a bit that's translated but it sucks that the same interest in manga featuring working adults hasn't spread out to non-BL translation groups. I'd love to see more josei regularly translated instead of like, a handful of titles getting new chapters once a year
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