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Casimir Radon posted:Snow Crash is really obvious satire. One of the ideas Stephenson likes to play with is that the real difference between smart and stupid people is the ability to understand subtlety. Libertarians all seem to think the world presented is a paradise where any rational person can see it's a hellscape parody of 80s excess.
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Not the part where he buys The Best of Bruno don't care
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I was playing with some variables on JRodimus Prime today, and, well: https://twitter.com/JRodimus_Prime/status/824627779765428229 https://twitter.com/JRodimus_Prime/status/824628167314903041
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Jazerus posted:the setting of naruto is basically a retelling of the first establishment of city-states and civilization but with magic The whole reason why the ninja villages got set up is that everybody was so tired of constant warfare that they were more then willing to unite with anybody. Hell the main village in the story was set up by two clans who had spent generations trying to kill each other but had grown sick of not being able to hold birthday parties for the kids without worrying about assassination or kidnapping attempts. This is the reason why I find any claims that a society without a government will somehow lead to more peace and more commerce. The whole point of government is to allow people to stop worrying about being killed by their neighbors and instead try to be productive.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:27
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Hunt11 posted:The whole point of government is to allow people to stop worrying about being killed by their neighbors and instead try to be productive. With no government you get all the joy of Afghan generational blood feuds. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/2061531/Afghan-blood-feud-ends-after-30-years.html
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Jan 26, 2017 17:37
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BarbarianElephant posted:With no government you get all the joy of Afghan generational blood feuds. Libertarians are all pseudo intellectuals who believe that they will be able to dominate the masses with the 'superior' brains. In reality though it will just be like High School where they get beaten up by the jocks but this time there will be no one stopping the Jocks from caving in their skull with a rock.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:41
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BarbarianElephant posted:With no government you get all the joy of Afghan generational blood feuds. Given the close correlation of libertarianism with racism, they'd more likely just blame that on the Uncontrollable Savagery of the Degenerate Musselman.
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Jan 26, 2017 18:45
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BarbarianElephant posted:With no government you get all the joy of Afghan generational blood feuds. quote:The locals say that even the Taliban took one look at the chaos and went elsewhere.
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Jan 26, 2017 21:53
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Casimir Radon posted:EDIT: Mark Ames isn't the guy from The eXile who admitted to doing it with underage prostitutes, right? 
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Jan 26, 2017 22:40
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Casimir Radon posted:Snow Crash is really obvious satire. One of the ideas Stephenson likes to play with is that the real difference between smart and stupid people is the ability to understand subtlety. Libertarians all seem to think the world presented is a paradise where any rational person can see it's a hellscape parody of 80s excess. Ames is the exile guy yeah
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Jan 26, 2017 22:55
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DACK FAYDEN posted:All I know about Mark Ames is that my one libertarian friend described him as having a huge hate-boner for libertarianism and producing hatchet jobs about them regularly, like that excellent piece about Gary Johnson, so I really do hope he's not a bad person IIRC Mr. Ames would write columns in The eXile about Moscow prostitutes he hired and he'd grade their sexual performance. And he does get hilariously torqued off about libertarian anything. http://www.salon.com/2010/11/24/tyner/
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Jan 27, 2017 04:21
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Libertarians : dystopia's my land, dystopia's your land
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Jan 27, 2017 13:31
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Osmosisch posted:Libertarians : dystopia's my land, dystopia's
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I'm Facebook friends with a libertarian activist from college who is something of an anomaly. She's neck deep in the movement (founded our campus Libertarian chapter, our chapter of Students for Sensible Drug Policy, etc) who holds a lot oof intersection a list views. I was kind of surprised to see today that she was defending Uber over their JFK airport scabbing scheme so I asked her how she felt about strikebreaking. Her dad replied, and it ends up he owns a construction company and a lot of reasons for her libertarianism just kind of clicked into place.
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Jan 30, 2017 03:58
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Poster child for libertarianism right there.
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Jan 30, 2017 05:15
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Well not only is she pro strike breaking ("but my cat and my guinea pig!" Was basically her response), but apparently she thinks these protests are meaningless. Seems an odd position to take for someone who campaigned so hard and used so much of her time to advocate for voting for a third party.
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Jan 30, 2017 06:20
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AShamefulDisplay posted:"but my cat and my guinea pig!" what does this mean
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DeusExMachinima posted:what does this mean Sounds like she's got to be able to feed her babies. Too bad everyone everywhere is striking, and we don't have neighbors or pantries, and you can only buy one day's worth of food at a time. E: the fact that those caught in Trump's dumb immigration EO might have starving pets is apparently not an issue
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Jan 30, 2017 18:56
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I've known for a while that some of my coworkers identified as libertarian. At least two voted for Johnson. However, I hadn't really realized just how deep the rabbit hole went. Understand this is paraphrased, but... "Everyone has the same opportunities. Just look at me, I started with nothing and here I am." "Uh, you're meaning that metaphorically right?" "No, everyone has all the same opportunities." "Dude, you just finished complaining about how lovely your school was." "It doesn't matter everyone has the same opportunities, no matter what. There's just a culture of not working hard or succeeding." "Ok, I can agree that this is a problem. Not having good opportunities or education leads to people embracing those as part of their identity in order to cope with the lovely hand they've been dealt. What's your proposal?" "They shouldn't have kids. We should stop them from having kids. There's a word for how we can do this..." "Chemical castration?" "Exactly!" "Uh, so when studies show that people of color with identical backgrounds are given job offers at lower rates..." "Same problem. Same solution."  I gave up when he started saying that modern science was just trying to push a narrative and that's why every study disagrees with him.
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Jan 31, 2017 02:17
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That escalated quickly.
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Jan 31, 2017 02:21
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Hunt11 posted:That escalated quickly. Within many a libertarian, there is an SS eugenicist waiting to emerge. For some, it was never that far from the surface to begin with.
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Jan 31, 2017 02:41
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Within many a libertarian, there is an SS eugenicist waiting to emerge. For some, it was never that far from the surface to begin with. I would love to see an explanation for how libertarian eugenics would work
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Jan 31, 2017 02:46
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Within many a libertarian, there is an SS eugenicist waiting to emerge. For some, it was never that far from the surface to begin with. This is what I hate about Eugenics and racism in general. If they are so inferior to you then why waste time and resources worrying about them, and if they are such a threat then why do everything in your power to antagonize them?
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Jan 31, 2017 02:49
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Hunt11 posted:This is what I hate about Eugenics and racism in general. If they are so inferior to you then why waste time and resources worrying about them, and if they are such a threat then why do everything in your power to antagonize them? *Trembles with cursor over that familiar Eco piece, sweat beading in an effort to resist its siren song*
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Jan 31, 2017 02:50
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VideoTapir posted:I would love to see an explanation for how libertarian eugenics would work Everyone gets a reversible sterilization at birth. If you can afford to have the switch flipped back on, viola, have some kids. -- Literally a thing a dude in college thought. He got better though.
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Jan 31, 2017 03:01
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Relevant Tangent posted:Everyone gets a reversible sterilization at birth. If you can afford to have the switch flipped back on, viola, have some kids. I want an explanation for how the sterilization gets enforced that doesn't require the intervention of a state.
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Jan 31, 2017 03:06
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VideoTapir posted:I want an explanation for how the sterilization gets enforced that doesn't require the intervention of a state. Nanites. The people who made the nanites are benevolent. Nanites was his solution to everything, he really wanted the Singularity to happen. A Hyper-God AI isn't the State, you see.
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Jan 31, 2017 03:12
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I appreciate the level of scientific ignorance that a sterilization-based negative eugenics requires.
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Jan 31, 2017 03:16
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I have had my interest in mocking libertarians, and especially ancaps, renewed by this thread. What are some good venues other than Facebook to encounter them in the wild? I mean apart from anything to do with Bitcoin, that's gotten a bit dull.
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Jan 31, 2017 06:51
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Given the close correlation of libertarianism with racism, they'd more likely just blame that on the Uncontrollable Savagery of the Degenerate Musselman. Iceland was founded by white norsemen who left Norway because the taxes were too high. And their society was almost destroyed by bloodfeuds until they formed a government who put an end to it.
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Jan 31, 2017 07:00
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Alhazred posted:Iceland was founded by white norsemen who left Norway because the taxes were too high. And their society was almost destroyed by bloodfeuds until they formed a government who put an end to it. Meanwhile, if you believe Jared Diamond, Greenland Norse society WAS destroyed by wealth inequality.
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VideoTapir posted:I have had my interest in mocking libertarians, and especially ancaps, renewed by this thread. What are some good venues other than Facebook to encounter them in the wild? I mean apart from anything to do with Bitcoin, that's gotten a bit dull.
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Alhazred posted:Iceland was founded by white norsemen who left Norway because the taxes were too high. And their society was almost destroyed by bloodfeuds until they formed a government who put an end to it. Got any good sources?
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Jan 31, 2017 07:19
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White Coke posted:Got any good sources? The sagas, for a start.
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Jan 31, 2017 07:29
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VideoTapir posted:I have had my interest in mocking libertarians, and especially ancaps, renewed by this thread. What are some good venues other than Facebook to encounter them in the wild? I mean apart from anything to do with Bitcoin, that's gotten a bit dull. Reddit has many, many of their subreddits in the wild. EnoughLibertarianSpam and the fellow travellers linked in its sidebar will give you the cream of the crop.
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Alhazred posted:Iceland was founded by white norsemen who left Norway because the taxes were too high. And their society was almost destroyed by bloodfeuds until they formed a government who put an end to it. This has come up before but, hilariously, libertarians hold up medieval Iceland as an example of effectively ancap rule working swell.
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Hey, can we talk about this guy Dave Rubin? He comes off as a concern troll who is Very Worried about what he calls "the regressive left," a label to which he seems to attribute vaguely anyone belonging to a minority advocacy effort. It's part of a trend I've noticed that tries to conflate all the goofy "dragonkin are more oppressed than turtlekin" rules that are softly enforced on Tumblr, with the whole of civil liberties campaigns, per the shifting sands of "identity politics." He's got some hallmark libertarians dog whistles, specifically his opposition to "putting groups before people," which I assume is how he responds to the trolley problem, and couches it all within his values of "classical liberalism," aka "free markets == free speech, the end." I'm worried at how guys like this can be seductive to people with no way to contextualize the motivated headlines that are put in front of them about students going PC-cuh-RAAAAAAYYYYYY-zy! and suppressing SPEEEEECH (aka hiring someone to present at an auditorium) and if you read the original source it turns out to be something relatively benign. Where would you place this in the libertarian constellation?
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VideoTapir posted:I would love to see an explanation for how libertarian eugenics would work
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What happened to the podcast that Caros, Paragon1, etc. were doing? The first episode was great, and I want MOAR. 
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GunnerJ posted:This has come up before but, hilariously, libertarians hold up medieval Iceland as an example of effectively ancap rule working swell. In the ensuing centuries, Iceland became one of the poorest countries in Europe. Infertile soil, volcanic eruptions, deforestation and an unforgiving climate made for harsh life in a society where subsistence depended almost entirely on agriculture. The Black Death swept Iceland twice, first in 1402–1404 and again in 1494–1495.[26] The former outbreak killed 50% to 60% of the population, and the latter 30% to 50%.
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