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I don't understand why Nighteye's predictions always come true but also have a margin of error? Is the margin of error just with how long it will take for them to come true? And if they always come true what was the point of trying to convince him to stop heroing?
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Ytlaya posted:I don't understand why Nighteye's predictions always come true but also have a margin of error? Is the margin of error just with how long it will take for them to come true? And if they always come true what was the point of trying to convince him to stop heroing? Within an hour, perfect prediction. Beyond that, there's some wiggle room.
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Apr 5, 2017 02:44
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Blackheart posted:Instead of raising the % of OfA he uses Deku should just learn the kaioken. OfA basically is the Kaioken. It's a ridiculously powerful power-multiplying ability that only the main character has access to and he has to be careful about how he uses it because abusing it or pushing it too hard rips his body to pieces.
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Apr 5, 2017 02:50
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Ytlaya posted:I don't understand why Nighteye's predictions always come true but also have a margin of error? Is the margin of error just with how long it will take for them to come true? And if they always come true what was the point of trying to convince him to stop heroing? Because the thing with prediction is the more time goes on the more variables that can be introduced that can mess with your prediction. You simply can't account for all of the variables that add up (including one-in-a-million silly stuff like 'getting hit by lightning, sudden heart attack, run over by a drunk driver' etc.) or all of the scenarios where your prediction is right on a technicality, IE: All Might was 'defeated' by All For One in that he's no longer All Might, but he dies, retired, at the ripe old age of 60 due both to his injuries and old age finally catching up to him. (Which technically fulfills the prediction.) The sooner your predicted event happens the higher your prediction accuracy is. Even Hari Seldon's BS Prediction Powers were easily undone.
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Apr 5, 2017 03:08
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And even within the hour Nighteyes' prediction isn't truly perfect because it's limited to the person he's targeting and nothing else. He saw that the fight would end with Deku on the ground with an unsigned form but he didn't know that he'd be doing so to avoid damaging the All-Might memorabilia.
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Apr 5, 2017 04:58
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Doing it longer also seems to make it vaguer and harder to grasp context and info from it. Or even nail down an exact timeframe.
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Apr 5, 2017 06:40
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Manatee Cannon posted:if he says he's using 100%, that means he's using everything he's got; he mentions when he's using 5%. deku's very specific about his power output all might said he was using 10000%, does that mean he was giving everything he's got x100?
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Apr 5, 2017 08:27
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Condiv posted:all might said he was using 10000%, does that mean he was giving everything he's got x100? it means this https://youtu.be/8TFAGAyLzcg?t=2m42s
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Apr 5, 2017 09:21
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Hitting them so hard that spontaneous cold fusion occurs at the point of impact?
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Apr 5, 2017 11:15
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I hope I get to see more of Toshinori pre-OfA and if we get to see what his master was like as a hero. All Might is so iconic in their world that surely she must have been significant in her own time too. I think my favourite colour page is the one of Deku and All Might on the bench with All Might in his old costume now hanging baggily off him.
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Apr 5, 2017 13:23
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EmmyOk posted:All Might is so iconic in their world that surely she must have been significant in her own time too. I'm not sure about that. All Might's status as The Pillar of the world is something he made himself. A goal that was unique to him and part of the reason his master supported him like she did. She was probably a well known hero but no one was Significant like All Might made himself, which is why this whole plot is happening.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:57
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It's a point that's made that the world in MHA is stable nowadays with low crime solely because of All Might and his efforts at being the pillar of peace. Not only did his power subdue villains, it also inspired multiple generations (even current pro heroes were inspired by All Might) of heroes to continue the work. If All Might was wrong in anything, it's the belief that without the pillar of peace, evil will dominate again. He's right that the villains will try to rise now that he's gone but I'm convinced that the new generations will be able to continue even if Midoriya doesn't become a new pillar of peace.
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Apr 5, 2017 18:09
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And that is why an Avenging League must be created.
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Apr 5, 2017 18:25
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Hitting them so hard that spontaneous cold fusion occurs at the point of impact? yes 5% means 5% 100% means that's what they consider their max over 100% means GO BEYOND THE BEYOND PLUS ULTRA
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Apr 5, 2017 19:36
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I like to think of One For All like it's a gigantic well of Ki in the Korean martial art sense because another thing that's done with Ki is strengthening the body. You do breathing techniques and training to channel your Ki INTO your body to make it physically tougher so your non-empowered base strength/stamina/durability go up, which then lets you use more Ki when you DO use it to power up without blowing your limbs off. I always figured Midoriya's next step would be to always keep his 5-8% cowl going.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I'm not sure about that. All Might's status as The Pillar of the world is something he made himself. A goal that was unique to him and part of the reason his master supported him like she did. She was probably a well known hero but no one was Significant like All Might made himself, which is why this whole plot is happening. Yeah, I get the impression that All Might's reputation isn't just due to his strength, but also due to how absurdly active he is, constantly helping people without rest. I imagine that other top heroes, like Endeavor, are also ridiculously powerful (at least to the point where they can easily defeat almost all villains they encounter), but All Might's abnormal level of activity probably sets him apart. Fabricated posted:I always figured Midoriya's next step would be to always keep his 5-8% cowl going. Even while sleeping! Midorimom comes to wake him up one morning (when he's not in the dorms I guess) and without thinking he plasters her against the wall in his room. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Apr 5, 2017 20:31
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Yeah I remembered that they mention all organised crime and crime in general has dried up hugely since All Might's debuted which indicated that previous OfA users weren't nearly as impactful. Though depending on the past I suppose if his master was killed while he was at Deku's level then that gives crime plenty of time to prosper. I think the primary difference is that this generation we're going to have many legendary Symbols of Peace and not just Deku. Though in the dub and sub he says "the story of how I became the greatest hero" but in the VIZ manga he simply says "a great hero". I rewatched the dub's opening episodes over dinner too (scrambled egg btw) and I guess I always knew but this time I consciously realised that the reason All Might stops instead of just leaping away immediately to hide his secret is because he too was a Quirkless who wanted desperately to be a hero. Ytlaya posted:Yeah, I get the impression that All Might's reputation isn't just due to his strength, but also due to how absurdly active he is, constantly helping people without rest. I imagine that other top heroes, like Endeavor, are also ridiculously powerful (at least to the point where they can easily defeat almost all villains they encounter), but All Might's abnormal level of activity probably sets him apart. I was thinking about this over my dinner and I think All Might is far above a lot of other heroes because his Quirk is insanely good for rescuing as well as fighting enemies. I think most other Quirks are good for combat, good for rescuing, or kind of shithouse. All Might by contrast has basically the optimal Quirk for both. Endeavour is probably and absolute war machine but I can't imagine he's more than mid-tier when it comes to rescuing a large group of civilians from a disaster.
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Apr 5, 2017 22:47
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The thing with previous One For All users is that it's as yet hard to figure out just how strong they were. We know that All Might was ridiculously powerful and that Deku has enough power to wreck himself and his surroundings without intending to while in possession of just a fraction of the full power. But we don't really know how much power is added to OfA with each passing on. Is each possessor an order of magnitude stronger, is it some sort of percentage increase that is just now really kicking in compound interest, or does each user add a different amount of power to the pool based on their own power and usage? Plus with All Might and Deku both appearing to be exceptions in that they had no other quirk than OfA, it's possible that they're simply maximizing the quirk better than previous users who would naturally have relied on their own quirk as the base of their ability.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:25
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Gyges posted:The thing with previous One For All users is that it's as yet hard to figure out just how strong they were. We know that All Might was ridiculously powerful and that Deku has enough power to wreck himself and his surroundings without intending to while in possession of just a fraction of the full power. But we don't really know how much power is added to OfA with each passing on. Is each possessor an order of magnitude stronger, is it some sort of percentage increase that is just now really kicking in compound interest, or does each user add a different amount of power to the pool based on their own power and usage? Plus with All Might and Deku both appearing to be exceptions in that they had no other quirk than OfA, it's possible that they're simply maximizing the quirk better than previous users who would naturally have relied on their own quirk as the base of their ability.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:59
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Fabricated posted:I always kinda had the impression that OFA's power didn't literally just "level up" by being passed- it just slowly grows over time. Like a well that slowly fills drop by drop every second- and the user just dips into it to take that power out. When OfA is passed on, it also takes the power of the user passing it on. I think there is a mention that transfer between users is gradual, but Deku has the combined power of eight(?) previous users.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:09
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Kuroyama posted:When OfA is passed on, it also takes the power of the user passing it on. I think there is a mention that transfer between users is gradual, but Deku has the combined power of eight(?) previous users. Right but that alone wouldn't make OfA as strong as it is right now -- I'm also inclined to think that it naturally increases in power over time as well. The combined strength of 8 burly men/women would make you pretty strong but not "I can destroy part of a building by punching the air near it" strong.
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Fabricated posted:I always kinda had the impression that OFA's power didn't literally just "level up" by being passed- it just slowly grows over time. Like a well that slowly fills drop by drop every second- and the user just dips into it to take that power out. All we really know is that it's a power stockpiling quirk that can be passed on, slowly passes from the current bearer to the new bearer, and apparently also conveys some measure of presence of previous holders in the process. It does seem that the power accumulation quirk starts increasing the owner's power fairly quickly since the original bearer of OfA tried to take down his brother after getting the quirk and felt that it was at least powerful enough to be worth passing on.
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EmmyOk posted:Yeah I remembered that they mention all organised crime and crime in general has dried up hugely since All Might's debuted which indicated that previous OfA users weren't nearly as impactful. Though depending on the past I suppose if his master was killed while he was at Deku's level then that gives crime plenty of time to prosper. I think the primary difference is that this generation we're going to have many legendary Symbols of Peace and not just Deku. Though in the dub and sub he says "the story of how I became the greatest hero" but in the VIZ manga he simply says "a great hero". Yep, you kinda hit the theme on the head. All MIght is All Might, his quirk isn't even that impressive, but what he did with is. It's a main theme of the story...
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Apr 6, 2017 02:43
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Put another way, there could be a hero who's stronger than Superman in every conceivable way, but you will never have a hero who is better at being Superman than Superman.
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Apr 6, 2017 02:55
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No, One for All is a very impressive quirk. All Might could punch so hard that he changed the weather, and he's also super fast and super durable. It's kind of a bog standard Superman set, but his power is overwhelming. Part of being the Symbol ofPeace was the threat of being on the receiving end of that. The series goes out of it's way to say that All Might wasn't just indomitable, but it also goes out of its way to highlight that Deku needs to appreciate that aspect of All Might more.
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Apr 6, 2017 03:01
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Ytlaya posted:Even while sleeping! Midorimom comes to wake him up one morning (when he's not in the dorms I guess) and without thinking he plasters her against the wall in his room. Well, that just sounds like the plot to a porno.
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For what his testimony is worth, All For One calls out All-Might's predecessor as being weak. I assume he's been killing every recipient of the power since it wasn't until All-Might that his secret reign was ended.
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Apr 6, 2017 03:50
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PMush Perfect posted:Put another way, there could be a hero who's stronger than Superman in every conceivable way, but you will never have a hero who is better at being Superman than Superman. Superman sucks
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JahRoo posted:Right but that alone wouldn't make OfA as strong as it is right now -- I'm also inclined to think that it naturally increases in power over time as well. The combined strength of 8 burly men/women would make you pretty strong but not "I can destroy part of a building by punching the air near it" strong. I don't think it literally grants you the physical abilities of 8 people. I gather it's more like their metaphysical strength.
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Apr 6, 2017 04:55
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Aurora posted:Superman sucks No she doesn't, I'm sorry, I just wanted you to feel what I felt.
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Apr 6, 2017 04:57
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Superman is awesome when he stops acting like Superman. Kingdom Come, Red Son, and Injustice are all real good Superman stories.
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Apr 6, 2017 05:02
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the current run of superman where he's super dad is really good
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Apr 6, 2017 05:07
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I hope it's never explained exactly how One for All works. People already get bad enough with the percentages as if they mean something precise coming from a character who is simply trying not to turn his limbs into sinewy pudding. There's hardly been a more obvious case of artistic license in the moment than 1,000,000% and people still took it the wrong way.
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Apr 6, 2017 05:26
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Shere posted:I hope it's never explained exactly how One for All works. People already get bad enough with the percentages as if they mean something precise coming from a character who is simply trying not to turn his limbs into sinewy pudding. There's hardly been a more obvious case of artistic license in the moment than 1,000,000% and people still took it the wrong way. I instantly thought it was a reference to exactly what he did there. ]It's pretty ambiguous, but I think he throws a punch to create a 100% shockwave, then snaps his fist open to create another 100% shockwave, then gives him a 100% Detroit Smash. 100% ^ 3 = 1,000,000. So he's not wrong!
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Shere posted:There's hardly been a more obvious case of artistic license ... and people still took it the wrong way.
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Apr 6, 2017 06:00
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Dr Subterfuge posted:No, One for All is a very impressive quirk. All Might could punch so hard that he changed the weather, and he's also super fast and super durable. It's kind of a bog standard Superman set, but his power is overwhelming. Part of being the Symbol ofPeace was the threat of being on the receiving end of that. The series goes out of it's way to say that All Might wasn't just indomitable, but it also goes out of its way to highlight that Deku needs to appreciate that aspect of All Might more. Yeah, All Might-level One For All is in the tippy top class of quirk power. Remember that All For One put together a punch out of like thirty different quirks specifically to kill a weakened and almost dead All Might fighting on the final wisps of his power and AfO still got his rear end beat in a straight up punch off, no guile or tricks involved. Deku, a weedy teenager who had just received the quirk and had no idea how to control it at all, managed to jump 100 feet in the air and blow up a 20 story robot by punching it once. Later he managed to blow through multiple floors of a concrete building with loving air pressure released by his fist.
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Apr 6, 2017 07:19
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Morrison Action Comics Superman is best Superman.
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Apr 6, 2017 07:41
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Gyges posted:All we really know is that it's a power stockpiling quirk that can be passed on, slowly passes from the current bearer to the new bearer, and apparently also conveys some measure of presence of previous holders in the process. The 'power stockpiling' bit actually giving some sort of significant power boost to the original OfA makes me think it's something along the lines of removing human limits on how strong you can get via physical conditioning - normally a person can only get so strong by working out, but OFA 'stores' the strength they get from doing so and lets them continue to condition themselves beyond what a normal human could do. So, the first few OfA were probably closer to Captain America than Superman, and then it probably hit a point where OfA was so strong that the mere act of using it was enough of a strain on your body and also allowed such ludicrous feats of strength to train with, that it probably started growing exponentially. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 08:49
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There's a new chapter, and it's hard as gently caress.
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Booooooo. But also yes, yes it is.
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