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Seven Force posted:Null sweat, chummer. G'luck in yer struggles! Anarchy is not the solution to the People's problems. "Do what thou wilt," is a policy that rewards the powerful...the working class gets trampled. A strong, People-centric Communist movement is the only way to protect the interests of the common man.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Anarchy is not the solution to the People's problems. "Do what thou wilt," is a policy that rewards the powerful...the working class gets trampled. A strong, People-centric Communist movement is the only way to protect the interests of the common man. Isn't that the origin of the term "libertarian," though? I might just be talking out of my rear end, but I remember reading the original libertarians were leftist communitarians who believed that if you created a society where your basic needs were met, you'd be more free to explore your higher desires (education, self-fulfillment, etc).
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Apr 2, 2017 04:28
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mojo1701a posted:Isn't that the origin of the term "libertarian," though? I might just be talking out of my rear end, but I remember reading the original libertarians were leftist communitarians who believed that if you created a society where your basic needs were met, you'd be more free to explore your higher desires (education, self-fulfillment, etc). I was quoting another character from Shadowrun: Dragonfall. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 04:33
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I was quoting another character from Shadowrun: Dragonfall. Shows what I get from being way behind on video games. I still haven't beaten Twilight Princess.
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Apr 2, 2017 04:50
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mojo1701a posted:Shows what I get from being way behind on video games. I still haven't beaten Twilight Princess. This is either a great april fools or you can't actually say you play videogames anymore
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:This is either a great april fools or you can't actually say you play videogames anymore To be fair, unlike a number of libertarians, I have an actual job. ...though I'm finishing up a re-play of Skyrim.
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mojo1701a posted:To be fair, unlike a number of libertarians, I have an actual job. Do Libertarians go Stormcloak or Empire? Or maybe they just download the High King mod and put themselves in charge of Skyrim. EDIT: So I was trying to look up a supposed event where Richard Spencer called another guy "white trash." Google got me this http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/breaking-richard-spencer-kicked-isflc-17-jeffrey-tucker-confrontation/ It has nothing to do with the incident in question but I must say, after reading the comments, I now no longer have a shred of sympathy for Spencer and his hateful, brainless minions. Antifa can do what they like with all of them and good riddance. It's a choice between absolute individualists and racist collectives. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 21:22
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NikkolasKing posted:Do Libertarians go Stormcloak or Empire? The fact that a mod alters the reality of the world notwithstanding, I'm going to assume Stormcloak: supporting a leader that possibly has serious grievances against the established power, but also includes harmful racial superiority and resentment policies as well as destabilize a world purely for your own gain under the guise of fairness or whatever.
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Empire's a bunch of cucks that let the globalist elf order run the show. Sad!
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mojo1701a posted:The fact that a mod alters the reality of the world notwithstanding, I'm going to assume Stormcloak: supporting a leader that possibly has serious grievances against the established power, but also includes harmful racial superiority and resentment policies as well as destabilize a world purely for your own gain under the guise of fairness or whatever. Also, troubling intelligence disclosures indicate that a hostile foreign power is invested in their continued success.
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If you guys are looking for some libertarian stuff to inch over and discuss, a friend of mine from high school has published an article. https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/economics/why-good-economics-matters-now-more-than-ever/ quote:In a newsletter published in 1970, economist Murray Rothbard wrote, “It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.” I could try and get him to join the forums.
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sudo rm -rf posted:If you guys are looking for some libertarian stuff to inch over and discuss, a friend of mine from high school has published an article. An understanding of economics is important, which is why I support the gold standard. 
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When has a gold standard ever prevented a government from irresponsible spending, or prevented inflation? Like are there even any common libertarian fallacious claims?
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Halloween Jack posted:When has a gold standard ever prevented a government from irresponsible spending, or prevented inflation? Like are there even any common libertarian fallacious claims? There's a "pick two data points and put a line through them" claim about the US not having inflation under the gold standard, but that's because they pick two years that are very similar. An actual look at the data reveals a jagged series of inflationary and deflationary crises. Turns out replacing "bureaucrats in charge of our money supply" with "literally nobody in charge of our money supply" doesn't result in a stable equilibrium, but rather wildly oscillating unpredictable bullshit.
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Halloween Jack posted:When has a gold standard ever prevented a government from irresponsible spending, or prevented inflation? Like are there even any common libertarian fallacious claims? The gold standard prevented inflation plenty, often inducing deflation instead. This was usually a bad thing though!
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Apr 26, 2017 21:28
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Sound Money didn't work for Rome, either. I guess that's because they also had Statism?
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Halloween Jack posted:Sound Money didn't work for Rome, either. I guess that's because they also had Statism? Somewhere offsite, Jrod the elder feels that old urge to post once more, but suppresses it like a minority in pre-Civil Right America (the freest time since the Lincolnian Tyranny)
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Also under a gold standard isn't the price of gold set by the government anyway?
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quote:Bernie Sanders experienced a meteoric rise reminiscent to that of Ron Paul’s Couldn't get past this, loving  .I hope your friend shows up.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Somewhere offsite, Jrod the elder feels that old urge to post once more, but suppresses it like a minority in pre-Civil Right America (the freest time since the Lincolnian Tyranny) Jrodefeld is actually posting his diatribes in youtube comments these days. The rock bottom of crack addict posting.
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Caros posted:Jrodefeld is actually posting his diatribes in youtube comments these days. The rock bottom of crack addict posting. Please tell me you're not arguing with him there, too. We thought the last intervention finally got through to you!
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Caros posted:Jrodefeld is actually posting his diatribes in youtube comments these days. The rock bottom of crack addict posting. Please post one.
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Holy poo poo that bit about Brazil. Someone has serious, deep-seated issues with 
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Goon Danton posted:There's a "pick two data points and put a line through them" claim about the US not having inflation under the gold standard, but that's because they pick two years that are very similar. An actual look at the data reveals a jagged series of inflationary and deflationary crises. Turns out replacing "bureaucrats in charge of our money supply" with "literally nobody in charge of our money supply" doesn't result in a stable equilibrium, but rather wildly oscillating unpredictable bullshit. This reminds me, I went to a course by Edward Tufte the other day, and apparently he frequently uses the "phillips curve" as an example of corruption in data visualization. That's the claimed inverse relationship between employment and inflation, used to apologise for the durability of poverty: "be careful you don't help poor people too much, or you'll make all of us poor!". You can see a pretty anodyne summary of the destruction of this idiocy here, but boy howdy does he struggle to mince words about it in person. Here's to better presentations eliminating common forms of Libertarianism. He also all but accused PowerPoint of killing the crew of Columbia. 
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Please tell me you're not arguing with him there, too. We thought the last intervention finally got through to you! gently caress no. I don't have time to sleep these days between work and my new novel, let alone argue with him. I had a lovely debate linked to me and laughed when I saw his name in the comments. WampaLord posted:Please post one. quote:I side with Wenzel over Block and always thought Libertarians For Trump was misguided. However, I see some silver linings that Robert did not acknowledge. I don't agree that the election of Trump will have the same effect on stunting the libertarian movement as Reagan did in the 1980s.
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Lightning Lord posted:I ran into a guy the other day who claims he's a "left libertarian" who claims that most people who call themselves libertarians are fake ones. I didn't really have time to press him but that seems fascinating. Am I crazy or should this dude be calling himself an anarchist? Maybe he's trying to avoid the stigma that label has in America. Left-libertarian as a broad overarching term includes anarchists and libertarian socialists, yes. It's most often used by free market advocates who often believe in much of the same foundational theory as your more 'mainstream' right-libertarians, but they differ in believing free markets can, should, or naturally lead to egalitarian ends. Often they can be found to enthusiastically support (anti-collaborationist) labor unions and mutual aid societies.
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Caros posted:gently caress no. I don't have time to sleep these days between work and my new novel, let alone argue with him. I had a lovely debate linked to me and laughed when I saw his name in the comments. Haha, if only he could get back to us, he'd piper the entire Trump thread to glorious Libertarianism! Ormi posted:Left-libertarian as a broad overarching term includes anarchists and libertarian socialists, yes. It's most often used by free market advocates who often believe in much of the same foundational theory as your more 'mainstream' right-libertarians, but they differ in believing free markets can, should, or naturally lead to egalitarian ends. Often they can be found to enthusiastically support (anti-collaborationist) labor unions and mutual aid societies. That quiz that was floating around the other day says that I'm a libertarian socialist. Obviously any system of measurement that puts me as a government worker whom sees Eisenhower as the prophet and savior in the same category as someone who would vote for Reagan again lacks the nuance of a proper political philosophy. Hell if I know what it is though. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Ormi posted:Left-libertarian as a broad overarching term includes anarchists and libertarian socialists, yes. It's most often used by free market advocates who often believe in much of the same foundational theory as your more 'mainstream' right-libertarians, but they differ in believing free markets can, should, or naturally lead to egalitarian ends. Often they can be found to enthusiastically support (anti-collaborationist) labor unions and mutual aid societies. I hear it from ones who are barely distinguishable from their fellow libertarians except insofar as they're not complete, out and out fascists. Also the phrase "left-liberal", which in this context means "but g*m*rg*t* and race realism have some difficult to refute points we should take the time to consider, tho gently caress the sjws amirite,"
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divabot posted:Also the phrase "left-liberal", which in this context means "but g*m*rg*t* and race realism have some difficult to refute points we should take the time to consider, tho gently caress the sjws amirite,"
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GunnerJ posted:Where does "illiberal left" fit into this? That's regular lolbert. Socially liberal fiscally conservative and all that
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Ha, JRod the elder isn't lost? I've been sick recently but I'll consider if I can get JRodimus Prime to comment on some Youtubes and see if they intersect.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Ha, JRod the elder isn't lost? I've been sick recently but I'll consider if I can get JRodimus Prime to comment on some Youtubes and see if they intersect. He was banned for threatening to chargeback his credit card next time he's banned.
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mojo1701a posted:He was banned for threatening to chargeback his credit card next time he's banned. Yes. That is my understanding.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Yes. That is my understanding. Oop, my bad. I misunderstood.
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sudo rm -rf posted:I could try and get him to join the forums. Please do, but tell him to leave his loving thesaurus at home. He's not fooling anybody.
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Weatherman posted:Please do, but tell him to leave his loving thesaurus at home. He's not fooling anybody. Yeah, Jrodimus Prime is fun but he's nothing compared to an actual human Libertarian.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Yeah, Jrodimus Prime is fun but he's nothing compared to an actual human Libertarian. Yet.
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White Coke posted:Yet. https://twitter.com/JRodimus_Prime/status/849963353619517440
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I popped in to check on mises.org, to see how they're dealing with the craziness of the Trump administration. Hopefully I would get some fun rationalizations or "correct for stupid reasons" articles to post on here. Nope, turns out they're putting out the exact same poo poo they always have, which I guess makes a certain kind of sense. They've always been convinced that all government officials are malicious, incompetent, and corrupt, so why would a malicious, incompetent, and corrupt president be new or different to them? At least I can rely on Lew Rockwell to bring the madness when I need it. 
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