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Varkk posted:You just know you are getting a bunch of flash drives filled with unencrypted PST files. Most will be called Outlook.pst Thankfully its from a provider that knows how to do this. Or at least that's what I've been told. Either way, not my issue. I did once have to explain to someone why it would be impossible to copy 60gigs of data across a T1 line in 2 days. Saying "I need it in 2 days though" is not going to make it go faster.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:One of the people involved in this is named Peter, which led to this early "brain's not fully firing yet" internal monologue: All the PMs we have now just say they want it done today, even though they've also said this for like two other projects for the same day during a major outage, all of which required prep they never told us about until it was happening.  I'm imagining them as the pointy haired boss saying I want it done today into the phone, leaning back, putting their feet up, and going "yep, that's how you get things done" and daydreaming about the bonus and kudos he's going to get. Meanwhile tickets pile up into the triple digits which I'm sure the same people are going to complain about. They must think we're just scripts they run and return successful projects at the push of a button without any lead time, catch up time, and sometime even time off on the weekend.
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skooma512 posted:All the PMs we have now just say they want it done today, even though they've also said this for like two other projects for the same day during a major outage, all of which required prep they never told us about until it was happening. I dunno man, the effort to success ratio of a PM must be pretty high when all they do is act like huge whiny babbies and demand their poo poo go to the front of the line, all without bothering with things like reality, or project load, or quality of life for anyone that isn't the PM.
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CitizenKain posted:Thankfully its from a provider that knows how to do this. Or at least that's what I've been told. Either way, not my issue. Why isn't FedEx a method to consider? They have overnight shipping and they can transport TBs of harddrives/flash drives/optical if needed. Beats having to upgrade your internet connection for once in a blue moon issue.
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That's expensive. You're the computer guy, make it work. Napkin math, would 60gb over a T1 be almost 28 days? Wait, no, I didn't convert from Mb to MB. How the gently caress did Steam survive when a T1 was fast?
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Jun 6, 2017 06:38
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Games weren't in the tens of gigabytes range they are now. Most would fit in a single CD.
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Jun 6, 2017 06:53
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We'd also wait patiently and excited for it to finish. Back then Steam approval was also kind of a quality mark, so you were waiting for a good game generally speaking. Today I can just install multi-GB games in a matter of minutes and every time I get reminded that we truly live in the future 
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Jun 6, 2017 07:05
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Yeah, at this point I just download a game, dislike it, and uninstall it for room on my SSD within an hour. I remember downloading EverQuest 2 for the demo and it taking more than 24 hours. Then again, we were on some pretty slow DSL even in 2005. We didn't even have broadband until 2003 or so, when my mom started working from home and her company paid for it. 22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 07:07
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I remember downloading FrontDoor on a 2400bps modem. At slightly over 1 MB it was the largest single thing I had downloaded. I waited until my parents had gone to bed before starting the download, then left it running overnight. 
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Jun 6, 2017 08:40
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It took me years to swap to steam and when I finally did I was getting 160mb down. Now i've moved and i'm getting 6-7. I don't like it.
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Jun 6, 2017 09:46
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I was excited when my line went from about 0.8 to 1.6 There is a fibre cabinet at the end of my street - according to my insider sources the install is now late so hopefully it's going to be soon ish
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22 Eargesplitten posted:How the gently caress did Steam survive when a T1 was fast?
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If I remember correctly Half Life 2 was the first big steam title. Most people bought the physical version (CD/DVD) and had to unlock it via Steam on launch day. It was a bit of a mess.
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Jun 6, 2017 13:15
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Also, Steam let you download games prior to release, they'd decrypt and download the final executables at release time.
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Jun 6, 2017 13:27
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They brought a new salesperson around. "I am completely computer illiterate! You guys are going to be my best friends!" Awesome.
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Jun 6, 2017 13:29
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Bob Morales posted:They brought a new salesperson around. I find it depressing that it's still apparently acceptable to show up for a job and loudly declare that you're incapable of performing it. If you're working in an office with a computer, declaring "I'm computer illiterate" should result in your immediate ejection from the building.
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Collateral Damage posted:I remember downloading FrontDoor on a 2400bps modem. At slightly over 1 MB it was the largest single thing I had downloaded. I waited until my parents had gone to bed before starting the download, then left it running overnight. Winzip at 1.5 megabytes was forever my bane. Overnight download ho. And just too big to save/store on a floppy drive.
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Jun 6, 2017 13:45
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Bob Morales posted:A T1 hasn't been fast since like 1999 Depends on your definition. T1's had unbeatable pings so if you hopped on a quake server with one you were a god among men.  Obviously the bigger T2/T3 tiers were better because they had the ping plus bandwidth but bandwidth wasn't an issue for a while longer.
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Jun 6, 2017 13:51
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xzzy posted:Depends on your definition. T1's had unbeatable pings so if you hopped on a quake server with one you were a god among men. Well, cable started coming out around that point (at least in my area) so 1.544Mbs or whatever a T1 was started looking pretty slow - but it was pretty usable for a couple years after that. The first MSP I worked at had a T1, I had to download some driver that was like 8 megs and said "oh this might take a while", coming from 56k land...it downloaded in just a few minutes I was amazed and my boss was so excited to show me how fast it went.
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Bob Morales posted:They brought a new salesperson around. From a sales guy there is at least a 50% chance he's fine with computers, but will use this excuse to justify making ridiculous requests. "I need a Verizon hotspot with unlimited data and two foldable screens and a physical copy of the T: drive data so I can use this laptop anywhere I go" "Why can't you use hotel or Starbucks WiFi, connect to VPN, and stick to the huge laptop screen we provided?" "Lol I'm not good with computers heh I need this though and if you don't deliver, you're at fault for my sales numbers"
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Bob Morales posted:Well, cable started coming out around that point (at least in my area) so 1.544Mbs or whatever a T1 was started looking pretty slow - but it was pretty usable for a couple years after that. poo poo, it's still usable NOW. I'm stuck on 1.5Mb DSL.
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eames posted:If I remember correctly Half Life 2 was the first big steam title. Most people bought the physical version (CD/DVD) and had to unlock it via Steam on launch day. It was a bit of a mess. CounterStrike 1.6 too, especially when WON got shutdown.
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Jun 6, 2017 14:29
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Our All Hands Meeting today has been pushed back from 4-4:30, to 4:30-5:15, and is now extended another half hour to 5:45. Can't we just pick it up in the morning?
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Jun 6, 2017 14:35
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Nah, everyone fondly recalls the actual first Steam title: Ricochet!!
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Fil5000 posted:I find it depressing that it's still apparently acceptable to show up for a job and loudly declare that you're incapable of performing it. If you're working in an office with a computer, declaring "I'm computer illiterate" should result in your immediate ejection from the building. Except "one of the boys" in IT is probably wearing a shirt with a binary joke on it, sooo, know your target audience.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:That's expensive. You're the computer guy, make it work. Back then Steam was pretty awful and it was essentially what the Blizzard app is now - that thing for Valve games. You had to use it to play the latest version of Counter Strike and it was a pain in the rear end. I don't really remember when it became even tolerable much less the leading supplier of PC games it is today but it was definitely after the early 2000's. Fe: most old CS players liked 1.5 better so they managed to stay off steam for a while. Forgot about the WON shutdown being what pushed everyone onto Steam. Fe2: and I guess the first memory I have of Steam being good/bringing people back was the Orange Box deal. Pretty much everyone bought it because it was a good deal with good games. Then you realized they made a lot of improvements and Steam wasn't so bad.
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Oh yeah at release Steam was a steaming pile of poo poo. It was really needed as a solid platform for patching, sensible anti-piracy (remember all that DRM bullshit we had back in the '00s?) and anti-cheating. Back around release time i don't think it could handle the load. 2007 was the big turnaround point with a lot of third party publishers also making their games available on Steam.
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There was shrieking rage across the internet that people bought boxed copies of HL2 and couldn't play it because it wasn't release day yet and valve hadn't flipped the switch to decrypt the data
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Steam is still a pile of poo poo, just with a different character to it. The worst part is their update cycle. You get prompts to restart it for an update like 2-3 times a week. I liked it best when it was the only show in town, I could have my entire gaming library in one spot. But now that everyone realizes there's money in controlling the platform, everyone has their own platform. So now you gotta have 2-5 game portal apps running in the background all the time (unless you go full sperg and kill them off manually every time you exit a game).
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mewse posted:There was shrieking rage across the internet that people bought boxed copies of HL2 and couldn't play it because it wasn't release day yet and valve hadn't flipped the switch to decrypt the data I had a friend that HL2 was released on their birthday, which was mid summer. His family went on a 2 week vacation and purchased HL2 to a cabin in the woods. He read the manual the manual many times because no internet.
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xzzy posted:Steam is still a pile of poo poo, just with a different character to it. Besides Origin and uPlay, what are the alternatives? It'd be nice if their patches were less intrusive (like Chrome) or just quietly restarted when you weren't at the PC (like Windows 10).
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Jeoh posted:Besides Origin and uPlay, what are the alternatives? battle.net is the fourth one I can think of. There was a brief period where nvidia and ati wanted to run a game portal too, but I think that died off over a year ago.
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Game overlays are their own annoyance though. I think the most I've ever seen is 4 all announcing their presence at once: Origin, Steam, nVidia, and Windows.
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xzzy posted:Steam is still a pile of poo poo, just with a different character to it. Why did you opt into beta if you don't want frequent updates?
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Steam, Origin, uPlay, Battle.net, GOG Galaxy (which is entirely optional), Twitch had their own client now, I don't think Green Man does yet, but it wouldn't surprise me, Humble Bundle doesn't yet, and I feel like I'm forgetting one. Then there's Discord and whatever else you have for chat. Is TeamSpeak still a thing?
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SinineSiil posted:Why did you opt into beta if you don't want frequent updates? Uh, I didn't think I was. But maybe I turned it on years ago in some drunken stupor. I'll doublecheck tonight. 
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xzzy posted:Uh, I didn't think I was. But maybe I turned it on years ago in some drunken stupor. I'll doublecheck tonight. There was also a broken update about year or two ago that wanted to install itself over and over again.
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Okay guys, it was fun when it was tangentially related to the topic at hand (Internet speeds and how download times were handled) but we should quit the Steam and gaming derail 
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And I hit post right after alereon...what happens when you leave a tab open too long. Deleting crap.
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Fil5000 posted:I find it depressing that it's still apparently acceptable to show up for a job and loudly declare that you're incapable of performing it. If you're working in an office with a computer, declaring "I'm computer illiterate" should result in your immediate ejection from the building. Someone needs to respond by ripping a giant fart and replying "Sorry, I'm not good with people." Bonus points if you're an aspie so you have a medical diagnosis of being bad with people.
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