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The Poetry of the Bad Threadsyscall girl posted:There once was a girl from highgarden, Hazard2GoSu posted:As we are in December now, I got into the holiday spirit and made a themed Night Before Christmas. ThaGhettoJew posted:In a unfinished series, with patrimonial hair Tom Ripley posted:Know then thyself, presume not GRRM to write, killroy posted:4 books by Mr. Martin good jovi posted:the mountain that writes Bummey posted:gently caress you George Martin Daddyo posted:There once was a fat gently caress named George Tipped posted:Absolute Fucker ThaGhettoJew posted:A Limerical Cycle of Fire and Ice'cle
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 16:12 |
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:4 was just an endless depiction of the protagonists either loving, eating, or a mix of both. It's kinda like asoiaf in that regard. It was lovely "The Gang's All Here" type thing with the different worlds. Like they couldn't be bothered to make up new and interesting web worlds. The time travel/age gap thing also creeped me out a bit on this read through - especially when he'd still call her "kiddo" even though he was banging her. plus the 5000000000 plot holes. And the painful time travel explanations, so as to include cool characters that died in first two books. And overuse of any phrase that was mildly clever.. Just too many things stuck out for it to be an enjoyable read this time through. It pushed my "suspension of disbelief" past the breaking point.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 00:12 |
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i dunno how it's so hard to write a book after you're set for life. it's possibly the easiest job in the world. you just make poo poo up.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 00:27 |
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That "Edited by" text keeps getting smaller and smaller.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 03:24 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:i dunno how it's so hard to write a book after you're set for life. it's possibly the easiest job in the world. you just make poo poo up. OTOH why bother unless you're really into it and feel happy with what you're writing? It's obvious that writing doesn't come naturally to the gurm and that he's somewhat of a perfectionist when it comes to writing and repeatedly re-writing his poo poo, it's pretty clear that this poo poo stresses him out and that he'd rather not write than write something he isn't happy with.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 10:22 |
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I sometimes work from home and instead of doing any actual work I read sports news and watch Youtube videos. In a way I can relate to gurm. Procrastination is the easiest and most satisfying trap to fall into.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 10:32 |
emanresu tnuocca posted:OTOH why bother unless you're really into it and feel happy with what you're writing? I dunno, there's an interview with an Irish rugby player, Johnny Sexton, who's one of the best players in the world. According to him, the only thing worse than playing rugby is not playing rugby - he hates it, because he's so good that he's aware of any mistake he makes pretty much in real time, even when they're minute. TBH I imagine it's something similar for GRRM.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 10:42 |
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If I were GRRM I'd just hire a ghostwriter like JK Rowling is rumoured to have done once she was a millionaire and had better things to do than write fantasy novels. He could probably supervise the writing process to make sure no plot elements sneak in that would affect his future dunk & egg stories. His writing style is nothing special anyway.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 11:57 |
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I like GRRM's writing. I sometimes feel I might be the only one who does.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 12:06 |
pidan posted:If I were GRRM I'd just hire a ghostwriter like JK Rowling is rumoured to have done once she was a millionaire and had better things to do than write fantasy novels. He could probably supervise the writing process to make sure no plot elements sneak in that would affect his future dunk & egg stories. His writing style is nothing special anyway. I have never heard this and am very doubtful of it. A quick google doesn't show up anything in favour of the rumour, where did it come from?
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 12:25 |
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It's just a rumor maintained by some people who dislike the writing and plot of the later (or middle) books. There's no real evidence and I don't personally believe it. If you Google it, you should be able to find some people discussing it.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 12:36 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:OTOH why bother unless you're really into it and feel happy with what you're writing? The thing is he has a ton of writer friends, ask them for advice you fucker it's been like 6 years.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:12 |
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Hyperion is the best sci fi book I've ever read, but it should have ended at the end of the first book. e. Also, Dan Simmons is a massive shithead now, read Flashback if you don't believe me. Zenithe fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Zenithe posted:Hyperion is the best sci fi book I've ever read, but it should have ended at the end of the first book. This but Dune.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:55 |
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Zenithe posted:Hyperion is the best sci fi book I've ever read, but it should have ended at the end of the first book. This but The Left Hand of Darkness didn't have a sequel
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:19 |
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Kavak posted:This but Dune. I think God Emperor is the best dune novel but I know many disagree. In anyway the entire dune series basically goes Dune - filler - filler - filler - God Emperor - unnecessary epilogues, whether you like God Emperor or not it's pretty much the only book other than the first one that actually has a point. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jul 5, 2017 |
# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:59 |
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SirKibbles posted:The thing is he has a ton of writer friends, ask them for advice you fucker it's been like 6 years. You know he talked his series up hardcore to them all and now he couldn't look em in the eye if he asked for help.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 17:07 |
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You don't need to be a writer to advise someone to not take on 37 loving new projects that they don't need to take on. Some free advice for gurm right there.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 19:13 |
God Emperor is great, it's the two that come after that are dogshit.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 19:15 |
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Aren't there 3 dogshit books after God Emperor? The ones by Frank that is, not his idiot son.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 21:12 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I think God Emperor is the best dune novel but I know many disagree. i agree that god emperor is the best.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 21:25 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I think God Emperor is the best dune novel but I know many disagree. I also love God emperor. But yeah, half of the books in the Dune series would have been better off as stand-alone stories in a different setting. I enjoyed Messiah as a very rare look at the 'day after' the epic victory of the underdog, when ideals are all but spent and everyone is chafing at the compromises and changes their own hard choices created. Children of Dune does that a little, but it also gets lost in trying to bring back elements from the first book and setting things up for God-Emperor.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 22:58 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:You don't need to be a writer to advise someone to not take on 37 loving new projects that they don't need to take on. Some free advice for gurm right there. He has like a fuckton of things going on. Fire and Blood (which I don't understand him doing this if the mainline series isn't done) Dunk & Egg has 8 more books, he's editing wild cards and Wild cards is getting a show on SYFY, he's got GoT writing consultations and he's pitching 5 different series so that HBO can pick one of those because GoT prints money. That's way too much poo poo for a guy who was already stuck on what to do next. But all those things pull in way more money, way easier. Than figuring book story poo poo out in a way that's satisfying for readers. I think he knows he kind of hosed up a little with ADWD and it's easier to put it off.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 23:13 |
IRQ posted:Aren't there 3 dogshit books after God Emperor? The ones by Frank that is, not his idiot son. Nope, just 2.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 23:20 |
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the sparrow is the best scifi book and it's not close.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 23:42 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I think God Emperor is the best dune novel but I know many disagree. I liked God Emperor, but I liked all of them. ( That Frank wrote... not the other ridiculous poo poo his son did ). I'm not gonna say it was better than Dune - but I Agree that it is interesting and deals with some new and clever material. Zenithe posted:Hyperion is the best sci fi book I've ever read, but it should have ended at the end of the first book. do you mean after book1/2? Or literally book 1, before there is any plot resolution. I tried reading other stuff by Simmons, and it is all complete crap. I have this theory that most writers only have 1 good book in them. One story that has been percolating in the back of their heads, so it has all the minor touches and details that make it rich and interesting. And it might be a trilogy - or whatever. Not saying one literal book. There are obviously exceptions. Some authors generate lots of new ideas and executions - but mostly I find that secondary series tend to rehash the same themes and writing style.
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 00:45 |
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Even without any actual plot resolution just Hyperion is a really strong sci-fi book on its own, definitely one of my favorites.
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 02:38 |
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kcroy posted:
Yeah, I enjoyed it a lot more before things started getting explained. Exploring a world through a series of vignettes was by far the best thing about that series. It even makes sense from a narrative point of view, as the actual Hyperion poem wasn't finished either.
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 02:54 |
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I'm just finishing Children of the Sky and the whole A Fire Upon The Deep series is really strong. For me the best scifi will always be The Culture with Look to Windward as its apex.
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 04:19 |
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cis autodrag posted:I'm just finishing Children of the Sky and the whole A Fire Upon The Deep series is really strong. For me the best scifi will always be The Culture with Look to Windward as its apex. read the wiki, sounds interesting. Zenithe posted:Yeah, I enjoyed it a lot more before things started getting explained. Exploring a world through a series of vignettes was by far the best thing about that series. yeah I can see that. For me I think the good cut off point would have been the tombs opening. So we get just a bit of the continued stories, but end with a bunch of unresolved conflicts. And cuz the tombs opening is pretty dope. I was super excited when I got to that part.
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 11:57 |
I somehow managed to just read Dune and God Emperor and it was good. Then I read Chapterhouse: Dune and wished I hadn't.
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 12:03 |
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I gave up trough the middle of heretics of dune, gently caress that book was boring and I really liked the previous 4 books
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 14:21 |
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Max posted:Nope, just 2. I forgot Dune Messiah existed apparently.
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# ? Jul 6, 2017 15:08 |
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Cavelcade posted:I somehow managed to just read Dune and God Emperor and it was good. Then I read Chapterhouse: Dune and wished I hadn't. see I was ok with the later ones. maybe cuz I read them when I was younger, and was so hungry for new content or something. Anyone read other Herbert stuff like the WorShip stuff? Like dune, but water! ish. or something.
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# ? Jul 7, 2017 07:59 |
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Zenithe posted:Yeah, I enjoyed it a lot more before things started getting explained. Exploring a world through a series of vignettes was by far the best thing about that series. Neither was Canterbury Tales I think. I would have liked 2 a lot more if the delivery of most of the explanations hadn't been incredibly confusing. The actual connection of the all the plots from 1 was really good. Well, most of them.
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# ? Jul 7, 2017 12:01 |
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I really liked the Zoroastrian conflict between the two singularities, I thought it was a very strong sci-fi concept, but the problem with such concepts is that the execution often devolves to the point where you as a reader just think that everyone could make weird poo poo up and go 'this poo poo is so advanced it is not supposed to make any sense!!!', I think that the novels could have really benefited from showing us a lot less about the far future and leaving some mysteries as just being mysteries instead of explicitly describing future-god-magic-technology nonsense. The world is super cool though, which is part of why the Endymion novels suck a little because we go from a very slick and fantastic sci-fi environment which evokes tons of incredibly imagery into a more standard sci-fi universe. I mean I liked the books when I read them but really the first one is on a different league than the rest.
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# ? Jul 7, 2017 12:25 |
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Man, I love me some God Emperor of Dune. It's a shame we'll never see where the series was actually heading.
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# ? Jul 7, 2017 12:33 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Man, I love me some God Emperor of Dune. It's a shame we'll never see where the series was actually heading. I don't think it's interesting to learn what happened beyond God Emperor, Herbert already delves very deeply into the whole concept of prescience and how it leads to tyranny and the enslavement of entire of humanity, Leto's grand plan is all about breeding humans that defy prescience, I think that's awesome and a good ending point. That's why the last books suck, learning that he actually bred comic book superpowers is a boring take on the concept, we don't need to delve into the mechanics of what Leto did.
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# ? Jul 7, 2017 12:48 |
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dune is poorly written which is a shame because the world building is incredible.
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# ? Jul 8, 2017 06:48 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:dune is poorly written which is a shame because the world building is incredible. how is it poorly written? non english / writing / whatever major here.
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