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Depends on how you define "failure", I guess. I mean, it's the golden age of humans as a race - but with all the factions and fighting the only way you can tell is that everyone else has that much less. But I imagine it was the same with the other races - Jaghut too busy to notice it with infighting and subjugation of other races, Imass warred among themselves and the Jaghut and had a great time until they couldn't sustain themselves by fighting... I think only the K'Chain were pretty much hosed from the get-go because IIRC they come from somewhere else.
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Civilisations are like military careers - they always end in failure.
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I think that's the point he's making, yes. Like we think of the races as monolithic but they all suffered from infighting.
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I'm thoroughly enjoying Forge of Darkness, it's characters and development. One thing tho, Jesus Christ Olar Ethil and everything related to her! Is she like, responsible for EVERYTHING?
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turboraton posted:I'm thoroughly enjoying Forge of Darkness, it's characters and development. One thing tho, Jesus Christ Olar Ethil and everything related to her! Is she like, responsible for EVERYTHING? She likes to think so.
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If she isn't responsible for it, she'll claim the responsibility for it anyway. Not the most trustworthy character out there.
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Jun 12, 2017 15:07
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Due to work and studies I can't read that much but man, this book is a treasure.
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All the Olar Ethil poo poo was just misinformation piled upon misinformation and it left me utterly cold. But the Tiste scenes had this wonderful Austen-esque feel to them, and is probably the high point of his dialogue. Especially Gripp. I knew Erikson could reliably make me weep, but I figured he'd need more than half a page to do so. He just drops the flowery language in favour of dry stoicism and the emotion weight of half the book comes pouring in through a half dozen lines of dialogue.
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I was told like a year ago to post reactions in here from my first reading of these books. Sorry it took me so long. Holy loving poo poo Anomander Rake just cut the goddamned head off of the God of Death, this poo poo is hosed up ^^spoilers from book 8 chapter 20^^ Thank you random goon for recommending this series to me in the book suggestion thread a long rear end time ago. Man with Hat fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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I caved and decided to reread Deadhouse Gates. This is my first time re-reading a Malazan book. Everything makes so much more sense! And somehow everything hurts so much more
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It's amazing how good these books are a second time around. Like when people say this series is great for rereading they really aren't kidding. Amazingly all the details are consistent for the most part, apart from some questionable timeline stuff and GOTMisms like Dessembrae being present for the CG's chaining.
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The Ninth Layer posted:It's amazing how good these books are a second time around. Like when people say this series is great for rereading they really aren't kidding. Amazingly all the details are consistent for the most part, apart from some questionable timeline stuff and GOTMisms like Dessembrae being present for the CG's chaining. he's been chained more than once
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So I just finished Forge of Darkness and drat Erikson gets better and better. Sadly I don't have Fall of Light available so I'll just have to read Crack Pot Trail meanwhile. I'm honestly having Malazan withdrawals!
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turboraton posted:So I just finished Forge of Darkness and drat Erikson gets better and better. Sadly I don't have Fall of Light available so I'll just have to read Crack Pot Trail meanwhile. I'm honestly having Malazan withdrawals! My favourite part of FoD is how Anomander Rake has basically gone from Drizz't to Mr Darcy. Dude's got layers
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Well, Erikson cited Dickens as one of his chief inspirations for that trilogy...
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anilEhilated posted:Well, Erikson cited Dickens as one of his chief inspirations for that trilogy... The side characters I can definitely see that - especially the inept legion officers. And Gripp Galap. Every Gripp scene is incredible. I kind of want to see Erikson go full bore Shakespeare with it. He's got the linguistic flair to pull off at least the goofier moments - Mercutio, Benvolio etc.
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Pretty sure he has gotten very close with Fall of Light hence its devisive reviews.
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I started Dancer's Lament last night... was I really tired, really high, or is ICE improving? Edit other than the gratuitous and unnecessary peppering of Crimson Guard
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People generally seem to like it; I honestly found it pretty boring and the finale extremely underwhelming but it's still better than, say, Assail. I still maintain it's got to win some award for "epilogue reveal the least people give a gently caress about". anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Dancer's Lament was above average for ICE, so a huge step up from Assail. I might be favoring it more cause my expectations bottomed out after Assail. I barely remember the plot at all, though, for whatever that's worth.
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Got back to continuing this series since I haven't read in a while. Currently reading The Bonehunters. IS it me or is Apsalar's chapters absolutely a slog. She is such a boring cookie cutter edgy assasin character.. Whenever I read her chapters I feel like I am reading a angsty teen novel. Even with Curdle and Terolast who have amazing dialogue they can't carry her sections. I was thinking they were gonna reach Tehol/Bugg level comedy but Apsalar's involvement ruins the joy of everything.
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I think she grows bit by bit. She's basically a husk of a person when her actual storyline starts after she is released from being possessed by Cotillion
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Thing is, that happens as early as GotM. For what it's worth, I agree, she is boring as hell. I think Bonehunters is the last book where you really have to put up with her, though.
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her and crokus suck poo poo individually but for some reason i like when the two of them are together, they're oddly adorable
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anilEhilated posted:Thing is, that happens as early as GotM. Ya the Cotillion ruining or eliminating her personality excuse doesn't make that much sense. Lunchmeat Larry posted:her and crokus suck poo poo individually but for some reason i like when the two of them are together, they're oddly adorable Crokus is horrible too and I do agree they seemed more interesting as an odd awkward couple instead of separate characters.
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Two minor questions: 1) Do we ever learn what the deal is with Burn? Or at least an explanation for why the Malazan empire uses "Burns Sleep" as a measure of the years when it's monstrously inaccurate, and when Burn doesn't seem that big a deal to the Malazans anyway. 2) Is realm where Setoc picks up all her wolf ghosts the T'lan Ay world that the Mhybe is dreaming in MoI? It's the only way I can see to make sense of what Togg and Fanderay are up to, but that's really bleak and depressing even by Erikksons standards.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Two minor questions: 2) That's how I read it as well.
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I like to think it's a subtle clue towards the fact that the history/ known timeline of the world is a little screwy. Y'know, it's BS. 
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I'm about to finish book 7 and uh... did Erickson go through a divorce between book 6 and 7 because there's a lot of weird psychosexual poo poo out of no where.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I'm about to finish book 7 and uh... did Erickson go through a divorce between book 6 and 7 because there's a lot of weird psychosexual poo poo out of no where. You're gonna love book 9.
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cptn_dr posted:I like to think it's a subtle clue towards the fact that the history/ known timeline of the world is a little screwy. It's more than a little screwy - it's out by like half a million years. I've just never been able to pick up any hints as to what happened 1194 years ago to make it a sensible baseline. I did like the bit in MoI about how the world is made of rocks floating on lava, but it's also made of her body and entirely in her own head. Metaphors make life so easy.
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Just finished a Malazan series re-read. Tool & Tehol stole Trull's happy ending.
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You shut up Trull got his happy ending  
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i hosed him and cummed in him
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Hey I'm ok with Tehol, it's Tool that grates on me. Tool got TWO happy endings and I'm dreading Tool showing up in the unwritten Karsa trilogy for a 3rd happy ending. Fall of Light was a, uh, ambiguous read; and with my recent Malazan series re-read, kinda thinking that the Azath house builder that Nimander 2 stumbled across when meeting Gothos the jaghut might just be Grizzin Farl aka the Protector.
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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:Hey I'm ok with Tehol, it's Tool that grates on me. Only halfway into Fall (interspersing it with writing a masters dissertation is a great way to totally forget who all the characters are) but I got the impression that Farl is the Forulkan god who gets murdered and shattered. They've taken to worshiping him as a god, and it's easy to see how a chill dude like Grizzen would fail to live up to their expectations of a God. I'm also definitely thinking that Karkhanas would be best read around the middle of BotF. Had I done so, the reveals of Korabas Otar Tantaral and kid Gear would have made me lose my poo poo in a big way.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Only halfway into Fall (interspersing it with writing a masters dissertation is a great way to totally forget who all the characters are) but I got the impression that Farl is the Forulkan god who gets murdered and shattered. They've taken to worshiping him as a god, and it's easy to see how a chill dude like Grizzen would fail to live up to their expectations of a God. I don't see Farl as that, for that exact same reason you mentioned. Skillen, K'rul's figurative & literal wingman in Fall of Light, yeah Skillen fits that role much better.
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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:I don't see Farl as that, for that exact same reason you mentioned. Eh? I'm not following.
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It'll make more sense once you finish Fall of Light. Farl is too chill for those dudes to even consider worshipping him.
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Bonehunters finally starting to pick towards the mid part. This has been probably the slowest book of Malazan alongside Gardens of Moon. Memories of Ice, House of Chains and Midnight Tides were so good back to back.
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