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You're going to be wanting to read Betrayer as well.
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Azubah posted:The book is great because there's a few candidates for the title. Some of them are utterly tragic too,
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Aug 20, 2017 01:29
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Just finished The Crimson King and I give it a solid mehhhhhhhh. It was billed as the follow up to Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns, but it ended up just being a bunch of convoluted warp fuckery for the most part.
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Aug 20, 2017 01:59
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Try carrion throne . It really is pretty good and rises above hams schlock.
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Aug 20, 2017 02:07
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It was good but gently caress man the whole ending I still find super underwhelming like come the gently caress on I know we spoke about it before but the hand crafted gene step brothers of the emperor forgot or never found out about a tunnel that leads right up his rear end in a top hat after spending 10000 years defending the same place..... smh
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Aug 20, 2017 03:11
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You can forget a lot in 10,000 years, right?
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Aug 20, 2017 03:48
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Didn't they do some warpfuckery or whatever and literally tunnel into that area?
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Aug 20, 2017 04:37
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Azubah posted:The book is great because there's a few candidates for the title. Yup! And he does the same thing with 'Betrayer', only even better.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:22
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Telsa Cola posted:Didn't they do some warpfuckery or whatever and literally tunnel into that area? Yep
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Aug 20, 2017 10:05
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Betrayer is Lorgar to me. He totally betrays hid brothers trust (which is something he's never given before). The delightful deceit for me is that Kharn is the most loyal character in the book despite his title.
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Aug 20, 2017 12:07
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Well he'd not become the betrayer by that point, that's a long way off
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Aug 20, 2017 13:34
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Yup, that's the joke. Kharn is about the only named character in Betrayer who doesn't betray anyone. According to the 30k tabletop books, Kharn's current moniker is Kharn the Bloody.
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Aug 20, 2017 14:25
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Dog_Meat posted:I'm still hazy on the timeline for the heresy kicking off and the whole Magnus thing. Was it Outcast Dead where the traitor legion astartes on Terra are all under arrest because word is out about the heresy but then the Magnus webway fuckup happens? Which should mean Russ knows about Horus before being sent to waffle-stomp the Sons. VanSandman posted:Outcast Dead's timeline doesn't work, at all. I'm sure there was a scene in another novel or audiobook, where it stated it has been a while since Magnus came and hosed everything up but it was all contained in the imperial palace. In the outcast dead, that's when it finally breached the wards of the palace and was released in "the real world" when all of the Heresy stuff was common knowledge. It was a retcon, but a decent enough one. I'll try to find the quotes.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:13
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Demiurge4 posted:Betrayer is Lorgar to me. He totally betrays hid brothers trust (which is something he's never given before). How? He may have been a shifty snake about it, but he did do what he promised; save his brother's life and free him from the Nails. As for other 'betrayals' in a book about the wages of loyalty: - Delvarus abandons his ship to go murder on the surface, leading to a serious attack on the Conqueror. - Erebus manipulating and ultimately killing Argel Tal after losing lorgar's favor. - The Emperor betraying Angron's trust and abducting him away from his army. - Horus becoming more and more hollow and unreliable in his talk with Lorgar, caring more about his glory than the actual rebellion. - The Imperium hiding Angron's condition from him and his legion. - Angron's spite and hatred of the psykers in his legion. - The World Eaters' turning on their librarians, who only had the best intentions in mind. Even Kharn took part in it. - Maybe even Cyrene (though this may be stretching things), as is implied to have abandoned the Word Bearers to join other Perpetuals. If there was any main character that was loyal to a fault and to the end, it was poor, demon-ridden Argel Tal. Him mourning the loss of Raum was actually chilling and heartbreaking.
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Aug 20, 2017 23:05
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The Rat posted:Just finished The Crimson King and I give it a solid mehhhhhhhh. It was billed as the follow up to Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns, but it ended up just being a bunch of convoluted warp fuckery for the most part. It's about the 1K Sons. Of course it's warp fuckery. The Shai'Tan was the site of some horrible massacre? Did non-psyker muggle-humans somehow torture kill the magic humans, and their souls were somehow trapped inside the hull of the ship? That psychic fury was then revived when Ahavasti and crew went into it. Is that more or less the gist of it?
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Aug 21, 2017 03:29
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Waroduce posted:It was good but gently caress man the whole ending I still find super underwhelming like come the gently caress on I know we spoke about it before but the hand crafted gene step brothers of the emperor forgot or never found out about a tunnel that leads right up his rear end in a top hat after spending 10000 years defending the same place..... smh Respectfully I don't think you are grasping fully the events portrayed which is understandable because a lot of things are happening " off screen" and are open to doubt
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Aug 21, 2017 03:32
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euphronius posted:Respectfully I don't think you are grasping fully the events portrayed which is understandable because a lot of things are happening " off screen" and are open to doubt Tell me moreee
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Aug 21, 2017 04:47
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Uncle w Benefits posted:It's about the 1K Sons. Of course it's warp fuckery. I made an effortpost about it a couple of months back in this thread, the tl;dr is that the book's plot is far from ludicrous by black library standards, it's just written a little choppy
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Aug 21, 2017 05:32
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Finished Black Legion last night and really enjoyed it. Not much specific commentary. Still enjoying ADB's writing style.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:44
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Just finished Black Legion. Daravek felt a bit flat and uninteresting to me, but otherwise it's a solid book. Now to wait for the next one...
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Aug 23, 2017 12:08
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bloom posted:Just finished Black Legion. Daravek felt a bit flat and uninteresting to me, but otherwise it's a solid book. Now to wait for the next one... Same. I really liked the warp ghosts. Wired even by chaos standards.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:33
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Agentdark posted:Same. I really liked the warp ghosts. Wired even by chaos standards. I got a real "Malal" vibe off of those scenes tbh
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Aug 23, 2017 17:31
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Weird doubt: What powered the Astronomican before the emperor got wired into the Throne and started eating psykers?
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Aug 24, 2017 18:10
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Sephyr posted:Weird doubt: What powered the Astronomican before the emperor got wired into the Throne and started eating psykers? It was still the Emperor. There was kind of a psychic battery that focused his energy and powered the Astromomican. He was powerful enough that he could still power the system even when on the Crusades. After his injuries at the hands of Horus, he was incapable of providing enough energy to keep the power up, and requires the psykers for that. He's pretty much there just to focus that energy now.
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Aug 24, 2017 18:16
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The 1000 psykers a day are the batteries, the emps is like a capacitor that needs to be fed a charge daily.
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Aug 24, 2017 18:47
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I just finished reading Ghosts and Bad Shadows. What do you think Abnett was talking about in the preface about making a mistake with Kolea's children? I know he aged up Dalin slightly so he could join the ranks, but that's about all I remember.
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Aug 24, 2017 19:59
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Yoncy switched genders at least once so far.
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Aug 24, 2017 23:43
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Arquinsiel posted:Yoncy switched genders at least once so far. So you think that Yoncy becoming a girl might be part of Abnett addressing his typos and implementing them as some warp related fuckery? Because Yoncy's illustration seemed to summon the daemon.
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Aug 25, 2017 00:10
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I'm pretty sure there was also some inconsistencies as for which characters knew the story and when. I know Curth finds out early on and keeps pestering Kolea to tell the kids, but then in Armor of Contempt it's like everyone knows.
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Aug 25, 2017 00:15
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Curth found out in Guns of Tanith, if I recall, because Gol was going to tell the kids the truth upon returning from the attack before the back of his head blew out. Armour of Contempt is where it really starts to come out, especially because Dalin was joining the ranks. He would have talked about how Gol used to come visit him when he was younger, and after Dorden's son died, he was really the only "child" in the regiment who had a familial connection with the soldiers. Plus he was in the RIP detail, so Gol didn't have to worry about avoiding him, unlike in Only in Death.
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Aug 25, 2017 00:33
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Immanentized posted:I got a real "Malal" vibe off of those scenes tbh Interesting. I could buy it. It would certainly be a neat idea
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Aug 25, 2017 03:04
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Arcsquad12 posted:Curth found out in Guns of Tanith, if I recall, because Gol was going to tell the kids the truth upon returning from the attack before the back of his head blew out. Armour of Contempt is where it really starts to come out, especially because Dalin was joining the ranks. He would have talked about how Gol used to come visit him when he was younger, and after Dorden's son died, he was really the only "child" in the regiment who had a familial connection with the soldiers. Plus he was in the RIP detail, so Gol didn't have to worry about avoiding him, unlike in Only in Death. Didn't Criid find out at some point on Aexe Cardinal too? Was that before or after she beat the poo poo outta Cuu
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Aug 25, 2017 04:50
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I just want Lheorvine Ukris to still be the coolest dude since Papyrus in black Legion. All of the rest is secondary.
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Aug 25, 2017 04:54
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Immanentized posted:Didn't Criid find out at some point on Aexe Cardinal too? Was that before or after she beat the poo poo outta Cuu I'm pretty sure she found out as well, but didn't bring it up because Gol was still half braindead at the time.
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Aug 25, 2017 05:15
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I have got to stop buying the special edition books. Although, ADB wrote Black Legion and signed it, so I guess that's cool.
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Aug 25, 2017 05:23
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Uncle w Benefits posted:I have got to stop buying the special edition books. He signed mine like the Metallica logo.
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Aug 25, 2017 12:27
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Arcsquad12 posted:So you think that Yoncy becoming a girl might be part of Abnett addressing his typos and implementing them as some warp related fuckery? Because Yoncy's illustration seemed to summon the daemon.
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Aug 25, 2017 14:03
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VanSandman posted:He signed mine like the Metallica logo. He's done that as long as I can remember
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Aug 25, 2017 15:21
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I just finished "Brotherhood of the Storm" by Chris Wraight, who is becoming my third favorite Black Library author after Abnett and ADB. I thought he did a good job handling the White Scars, even though the book really just sets up "Scars". I'm not that into the Horus Heresy books, but I thought he handled the culture of the White Scars well and portrayed Jaghatai Khan very well, as well as a human POV interacting with Jaghatai. The battle scenes fighting the Orks were pretty tiresome, but that's to be expected when Orks feature as the enemy in a BL book. Speaking of Wraight, has anyone here read through the old Warhammer Fantasy books? The OP recommends the two books Wraight wrote about Ludwig Schwarthelm and Kurt Helborg, Sword of Justice and Sword of Vengeance but what about Luthor Huss? I've found some pretty mixed reviews online. I was also intrigued to see that Headtaker by David Guymer gets a lot of praise online and especially from Guy Haley, who included it in the BL Hall of Fame. I thought it might be interesting with the Skaven appearing in Warhammer II and Queek Headtaker being their main legendary lord. Anyone read either of those books?
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm pretty sure she found out as well, but didn't bring it up because Gol was still half braindead at the time. She found out before he was brain dead and they talked about it I think. Cirth knew too. He was going to tell them and then got his head blown. I might be remembering it wrong though.
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