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double postin' cause https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jonh8aIYvs
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Blockhouse posted:double postin' cause https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jonh8aIYvs
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Aug 22, 2017 08:41
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Different costumes it looks like?
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Aug 22, 2017 12:35
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I'm glad the villain of FighterZ is going to be original character Dark Goku.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:21
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a cartoon duck posted:I'm glad the villain of FighterZ is going to be original character Dark Goku. It's the fine DBZ tradition of having your non-canon villains be either a retread of a canon villain, or just evil Goku/a direct foil for Goku.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:24
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Jedah posted:Did Goku tank the minefield of energy because he had a chi barrier up during Blue? I guess he (technically) didn't make his classic mistake of letting his guard down this time, he just brute forced his way in. Very Goku. "Hit fights smarter, not harder. Goku fights harder, not smarter."
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Aug 22, 2017 13:27
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deadly_pudding posted:It's the fine DBZ tradition of having your non-canon villains be either a retread of a canon villain, or just evil Goku/a direct foil for Goku. Hell, this one would be both, since that's Goku Black already.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:29
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Blockhouse posted:double postin' cause https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jonh8aIYvs At 1:09, is that a Krillin/18 team super? I wonder if other pairings have that?
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Aug 22, 2017 13:33
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It's Accel Dance but with Krillin instead of 17 so I imagine that's specific to her and is just an animation change
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Aug 22, 2017 13:34
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Rhonne posted:At 1:09, is that a Krillin/18 team super? I wonder if other pairings have that? It looks like the same pose as the 18/17 team attack, so maybe that's an alternate version of that combo if you put Krillin in 18's team.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:35
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Klilyn.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:23
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Whis said back in rof that Goku and Vegeta were strong enough to take on beerus together. Super is bad about power levels so it's not actually clear if gokus gotten much stronger since then though.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:50
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Stairmaster posted:Whis said back in rof that Goku and Vegeta were strong enough to take on beerus together. Goku and Vegeta have likely gotten stronger only in short, tiring bursts. Vegeta outright said before the U6/U7 tournament that they don't have a lot of growth left. Their base forms likely reached their max power or close to it by the time they became Saiyans Beyond Gods. Their Super Saiyan transformations have gotten stronger since Resurrection "F" through mastery under Whis, rage boosts, the Kaio-ken for anime Goku and the Complete form in the manga for both of them. But they take stamina, so they can't be used forever. Furthermore, even with all of that, we haven't seen Beerus getting truly serious, Goku and Vegeta have clearly surpassed 70% Beerus from BoG but haven't reached 100% Beerus, whose power is unknown but likely extremely high, and that's not even counting Destruction, an extremely unfair move that'd turn any battle into a one-hit kill. Even without it, Beerus is still stronger in a fair fight, the manga just showed how even Complete Blue Vegeta was nowhere near enough to fight him. Vegetto Blue would definitely win, but that time limit is an issue, and it isn't a victory either Saiyan would be happy with. At least, that's how I interpreted the situation. I could be wrong.
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Aug 22, 2017 16:04
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The power levels and the relative strength of characters is completely loving arbitrary. It's pointless to argue when the answer is going to be "whatever makes sense for the plot at the moment".
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Aug 22, 2017 16:07
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Stairmaster posted:Whis said back in rof that Goku and Vegeta were strong enough to take on beerus together. The idea there is that they would have to work together as a team which they're really bad at and generally flat out don't want to do.
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Aug 22, 2017 16:22
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working as a team to fight someone almost never happens and, before super, worked all of one time (against vegeta, tho the "as a team" part is a bit of a stretch)
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Aug 22, 2017 16:30
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Stairmaster posted:why didnt goku just use teleportation on spiderman Stairmaster posted:that would have made him look very smart and good Asked and answered.
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a cartoon duck posted:It looks like the same pose as the 18/17 team attack, so maybe that's an alternate version of that combo if you put Krillin in 18's team. Yeah the same thing could happen in Budokai 3 in her ultimate -if you use it like four times in a row krillin shows up instead of 17
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Aug 22, 2017 18:42
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Stairmaster posted:Whis said back in rof that Goku and Vegeta were strong enough to take on beerus together. That was movie only. Nothing was said about that in Super.
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Aug 22, 2017 18:44
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the movies are canon because they're better.
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Aug 22, 2017 19:42
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Manatee Cannon posted:working as a team to fight someone almost never happens and, before super, worked all of one time (against vegeta, tho the "as a team" part is a bit of a stretch) Future 17 and 18 had a good run due to tag-teaming everyone.
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Rudoku posted:Future 17 and 18 had a good run due to tag-teaming everyone. Yeah but in the main timeline they were obsessed with 1v1 for some reason. I think, not counting fusion because it definitely doesn't count, we didn't have anything but 1v1 battles until Goku Black + Zamasu.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:58
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Krillin+Gohan vs. OG Time stopper and Piccolo+Goku vs. Radditz off the top of my head
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There was that time that everyone attacked Cell together to distract him during his and Gohan's beam'o'war, but I don't know if that really counts.
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Aug 22, 2017 21:50
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Hjalmar posted:Yeah but in the main timeline they were obsessed with 1v1 for some reason. I think, not counting fusion because it definitely doesn't count, we didn't have anything but 1v1 battles until Goku Black + Zamasu. It's because 1v1s are easier to animate.
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Neo_Crimson posted:It's because 1v1s are easier to animate. you do realize that dragonball was a manga first right super has had more tag teams than anything toriyama was drawing when the manga was the main work
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Aug 22, 2017 22:09
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Manatee Cannon posted:you do realize that dragonball was a manga first right Things that are easier to animate are also easier to draw too. In DBZ's case you need to consider the massively increased complexity of the fight choreography adding even one person causes.
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Aug 22, 2017 22:13
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Blockhouse posted:double postin' cause https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jonh8aIYvs Yesssssss, this is awesome.
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I know people have made jokes, but I am really starting to actually dislike Goku. You can't even just chalk his behavior up to being a saiyan either, because here we have loving Vegeta, the Prince of All Saiyans himself, acting like a decent father and spouse.
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Aug 23, 2017 05:10
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Has Goku ever had any character development? At all? He still just kind of acts the same as always. Sometimes he gets mad, which is not the same thing as character growth
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Aug 23, 2017 05:14
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He went from denying Gohan's dislike of fighting to accepting that he's not a fighter in Super. Of course, then Gohan himself became a fighter once more, but that wasn't because of Goku.
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Aug 23, 2017 05:20
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From DBZ onwards at least, Goku being mostly static (Though something will probably come from the "mid life crisis" aspect in Super that will probably tie into why he ultimately trains Uub) is probably supposed to contrast to Vegeta's more dynamic changes.
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Aug 23, 2017 05:24
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He didn't have any in DB either. Outside maybe the first tournament. If you are stretching things.
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Aug 23, 2017 05:26
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He doesn't even know when his sons were born. His own flesh and blood and he doesn't know their birthdays. Goten, sure that's somewhat understandable, though he was with King Kai so not really, but Gohan? How in gently caress are you not present for the birth of your firstborn child?
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the "Not knowing when Gohan was born" thing honestly bums me out because there's this weird thing both Toyotaro and Toei's writers have with making Goku seem like actively Modern Homer Simpson levels of stupid and neglectful
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Putting aside the potential brain damage aspect of things, it makes sense that Goku is ignorant about family structure. His parents died before he was born and he was raised by a series of old men who live alone or with a turtle or with whatever Mr. Popo is and only really taught him about fighting. Saiyans don't have an inherent sense of family so it wouldn't make sense for him to pick up on it naturally. Goku is also shown to be primarily a visual learner, and still has never been exposed to live birth. Dude probably thinks Gohan and Goten hatched from dinosaur eggs. Comparably, Vegeta had an abnormally close relationship with his father for a Saiyan due to being a prince and all that, as well as being exposed to what might have been up to a dozen different cultures if Shin is to be believed about the size of the universe. It makes sense that he'd pick up on the idea of what fatherhood means to humans by Super, though he certainly didn't understand it when Trunks was born. Goku is a bad dad, yes, but he also doesn't have a strong concept of what a dad or a son even is, and it's the exact sort of abstract concept that Goku struggles with in particular, so it's complicated.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He didn't have any in DB either. He was eventually able to recognize if someone was a woman or not without patting their crotch, does that count as character development?
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Aug 23, 2017 06:23
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One episode will have a smash cut to Goten's birthday party with everyone but Goku present.
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Aug 23, 2017 06:47
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TrilliontonNixon posted:I know people have made jokes, but I am really starting to actually dislike Goku. You can't even just chalk his behavior up to being a saiyan either, because here we have loving Vegeta, the Prince of All Saiyans himself, acting like a decent father and spouse. you mean the guy who went off to an asteroid and whined until he got saiyan so he didn't see Trunks' birth either?
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did he even know Bulma was pregnant when he left? He was gone for a long rear end time and it's entirely possible they had no idea when he left.
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