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I like how the public opionion is slowly shifting towards "this series is mediocre now". I've seen several articles moaning about how the story has gone downhill in favour of cheap action scenes. Last episode's rocket raven didn't go down well with anyone it seems. Personally I find the show is kinda poo poo now, so it stayed true to the books.
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There's really no reason why they couldn't have had Dany there the whole time, since she was onboard with the White Walker crap. A dragonback lookout would've been useful, and more development for Dany/Jon.
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Aug 23, 2017 10:48
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Another thing that could have gotten them out of that particular jam: horses.
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Aug 23, 2017 11:00
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There is no possible way to make the "let's capture a zombie to show Cersei so she'll ally with us and totally not stab us in the back, which is much smarter than just killing her" plotline anything other than pants-on-head retarded.
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Aug 23, 2017 12:16
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I would've been okay with "Let's call a (phony) Great Council and show the whole continent."
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Aug 23, 2017 12:26
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Tahirovic posted:I like how the public opionion is slowly shifting towards "this series is mediocre now". I've seen several articles moaning about how the story has gone downhill in favour of cheap action scenes. Last episode's rocket raven didn't go down well with anyone it seems. Complaining about teleportation in GoT became mainstream
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Aug 23, 2017 12:46
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nine-gear crow posted:(...) run by a production crew who genuinely deserve better EPs than the two dignuses they're stuck with, if the behind the scenes material can be believed. (...) Genuinely curious about this since I've never really dug into the production of the show. Do you have sources for this ?
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Aug 23, 2017 13:01
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Tahirovic posted:I like how the public opionion is slowly shifting towards "this series is mediocre now". I've seen several articles moaning about how the story has gone downhill in favour of cheap action scenes. Last episode's rocket raven didn't go down well with anyone it seems. Even my coworkers who are still completely head over heels with the show were pointing out plot holes with that last ep. It was seriously lazily put together.
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Aug 23, 2017 13:53
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Lycus posted:I would've been okay with "Let's call a (phony) Great Council and show the whole continent." well, their priority has been to reduce the number of Proper Nouns as much as possible (hence the country of dorne being ruled from the palace of dorne in the city of dorne) seems like they believe for whatever reason that the audience (which stuck through seasons 1-4 just fine) would be confused by the concept of non lannister/stark/targaryen lords existing anyhoo I don't know what they want from cersei, even if she could be trusted, which obviously they know she can't like what does she have left dany blew up what was supposed to be either the entire Lannister army that sacked Highgarden or a big chunk of it, right?
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Aug 23, 2017 15:28
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Arya killing Cersei would be very hamfisted and boring. Which means it will probably happen. Hopefully it's Jaime choking her out with that gold hand though.
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Aug 23, 2017 16:32
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Since getting back to the plot Arya basically killed one single named character, she pretty much has to kill Cersei and hang out with Sandor for her entire plot to even be remotely relevant to the story. She's also a Valonqar.
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Aug 23, 2017 16:41
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If Arya kills Cersei I just hope she just steals the kill from Jaime.
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Aug 23, 2017 16:45
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I hope it's both Jaime and Tyrion who kill her. Like Goku and Gohan did to Perfect Cell.
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Aug 23, 2017 16:57
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Qyburn: Your Grace, I'm afraid you are the worst person in the Seven Kingdoms. Everybody wants to murder you. Cersei: You mean I have Starks trying to murder me? Qyburn: Yes. Cersei: Targaryen? Qyburn: Yes. Cersei: Lannisters? Qyburn: Uh, a little bit, yes. You also have several would-be murderers that have just been discovered - in the Red Keep. Cersei: I see. You sure you haven't just made thousands of mistakes? Qyburn: Uh, no, no, I'm afraid not. Cersei: This sounds like bad news. Qyburn: Well, you'd think so, but all of your murderers are in perfect balance. Uh, if you have a moment, I can explain. Cersei: Well... [looks at her wine bottle] Cersei: [the Hand puts a tiny model castle gate on his desk] Qyburn: Here's the door to your inner sanctum, see? [bring up some small fuzz balls with goofy faces and limbs from under the desk] Qyburn: And these are officially licensed character plushies. [points to a different one up as he names each murderer] Qyburn: That's Arya Stark, that's Daenerys Targaryen, that's Jaime Lannister, that's Euron Greyjoy, that's Varys, that's Gendry Waters, that's Jon Targaryen-Stark, that's the Night King, [holds up one] Qyburn: and this cute little cuddle-dwarf is Tyrion Lannister. Here's what happens when they all try to get through the gate at once. [tries to cram a bunch through the model hate. The "murderers" get stuck] Qyburn: [Stooge-like] Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo. Move it, cuntface. [normal voice] Qyburn: We call it, "Khal Drogo Syndrome". Cersei: So what you're saying is, I'm invincible. Qyburn: Oh, no, no, in fact, even one random schmuck could... Cersei: Invincible...
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Aug 23, 2017 17:05
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The world ends in ruin because, instead of fighting the nights king, the realms descend once more into petty squabbling when Jaime kills Cersei despite Arya having, as the maesters say, "called it".
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Aug 23, 2017 17:10
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NihilCredo posted:Qyburn: Your Grace, I'm afraid you are the worst person in the Seven Kingdoms. Everybody wants to murder you. lomarf If Cersei could block out the sun in
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Aug 23, 2017 17:55
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The Little Kielbasa posted:There is no possible way to make the "let's capture a zombie to show Cersei so she'll ally with us and totally not stab us in the back, which is much smarter than just killing her" plotline anything other than pants-on-head retarded. No more pants on head than failing to take some poor schmuck a few feet past the wall and making their own loving zombie.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:26
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This isn't like Walking Dead rules where anyone who dies beyond the wall is guaranteed to become a zombie. That said they could probably have Thoros do it, but then the zombie would be sentient so idk.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:29
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Woodpile posted:No more pants on head than failing to take some poor schmuck a few feet past the wall and making their own loving zombie. Not defending the poo poo plan itself, of course, just an idea why that method wouldn't work for said idiocy.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:30
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The dumbest part of their plan was not bringing horses. Even a single horse to carry the wight. Also sending Gendry back to Eastwatch and then running in the opposite direction. Why wouldn't they follow him? They got what they came for. The show could still have the army catch up to them (while Gendry makes it further to call for help b/c he isn't slowed down by dragging a zombie) and Dany save the day, even. But it would look less retarded.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:35
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Urdnot Fire posted:Jon tries doing that in the books though, putting corpses in the ice cells and not having them turn. It seems like a White Walker needs to be nearby to either touch the body or do so with their ice winds. Oh, forgot about that stuff. I thought the corpses in the cells didn't turn because of the magic wall, but I suppose they wouldn't know about that anyway. Is the book out yet?
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Aug 23, 2017 21:38
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esperterra posted:
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Aug 23, 2017 21:41
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They couldn't hope to outrun the horde while carrying an uncooperative wight. Even with all the dumb things in the episode, I don't think this is one of them. That was pretty clear. A slightly better question is "if they knew they couldn't outrun the horde, how could they hope to survive until the cavalry arrived?". If they could see the frozen lake from there, that's fair, but I don't think they could iirc.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:19
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NihilCredo posted:They couldn't hope to outrun the horde while carrying an uncooperative wight. Even with all the dumb things in the episode, I don't think this is one of them. That was pretty clear. Yeah, but running off in the opposite direction still gives them less chance of making it out alive. The show gave us no indication they knew there was somewhere to go hide, or that anyone did any scouting whatsoever, it was just awkward.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:24
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Sandor could've thrown that thing on his shoulders. So he nibbles his ear a bit, no biggie.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:27
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"that's the burnt side of my face you oval office" But seriously that scene was just spectacular schlock and it was written around the cgi and the shocking zombie dragon twist. I mean the director pretty much admitted they just tried to stretch out the limits of cinematic plausibility.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:33
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Yeah, it's just a shame because the set pieces could have easily been fit into a narrative that made sense. Have someone remember a place that looks good to hole up, somewhere they had already passed by. Then send Gendry ahead to get help from the wildlings. Earlier in the episode, but after the Dany/Tyrion heir scene, show us Bran seeing something that troubles him, and he sends a raven. Then we don't see Dany until the end of the episode when she arrives, before the wildlings Gendry has fetched or w/e, and saves the day and loses Viserion. I hate backseat writing because I'm no Shakespeare, myself, but it isn't like they had ideas which were impossible to use in a way that makes sense. It didn't need to be stupid, but it was anyway.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:41
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All they needed to do was have the last stand be at a fortification of some sort. Add a "we have 2 weeks of supplies" line at the start of the episode and a "that's the last of the food" line at the end and you're good. I'm just amazed how little they seem to care about their audience. ...on second thought this is the ending we deserve isn't it
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Aug 23, 2017 22:46
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hobbesmaster posted:this is the ending we deserve
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hobbesmaster posted:All they needed to do was have the last stand be at a fortification of some sort. Add a "we have 2 weeks of supplies" line at the start of the episode and a "that's the last of the food" line at the end and you're good.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:50
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Lycus posted:Sandor could've thrown that thing on his shoulders. So he nibbles his ear a bit, no biggie. Chop the limbs off and wear it like a backpack
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Aug 23, 2017 22:50
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:They could have done it at craster's keep. Jorah could have said a few words about his father's place of death. Maybe it's vaguely protected because of craster's sacrifices, but they can't leave because they're surrounded. It would have all worked. That's north of Castle Black, though. They went north from Eastwatch by the Sea.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:52
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esperterra posted:That's north of Castle Black, though. They went north from Eastwatch by the Sea. There's no reason it had to be eastwatch. Other than to establish that the others don't have teleporter access. 
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Aug 23, 2017 22:58
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The lack of horses were pretty awful though. I mean, I can kinda understand if resources were limited at Eastwatch, (but what could be more important than this mission?) but Dany has a literal army of cavalry maybe she could have spared a horse or two, you know?
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Aug 23, 2017 23:03
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esperterra posted:The dumbest part of their plan was not bringing horses. Even a single horse to carry the wight. They brought a couple hundred?  https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/900391938582614016
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Aug 23, 2017 23:03
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hobbesmaster posted:There's no reason it had to be eastwatch. Other than to establish that the others don't have teleporter access. First, this is a great picture. Second, when did Tyrion use the teleporter?
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Aug 24, 2017 00:16
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Number Ten Cocks posted:They brought a couple hundred? Benjen should have hijacked that instead of giving Jon his horse.
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Aug 24, 2017 08:25
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NihilCredo posted:Qyburn: Your Grace, I'm afraid you are the worst person in the Seven Kingdoms. Everybody wants to murder you. This is amazing.
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Aug 24, 2017 12:04
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NihilCredo posted:First, this is a great picture. To get back to Dragonstone almost simultaneously to Dany, who was riding a dragon.
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Maybe he hitched a ride?
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