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I kind of hope that even the super dragon balls have limits, like "I can only revive one universe at a time" so U7 revives their bros and sisters in U6, or vice versa. That way U9 stays dead.
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seiferguy posted:I kind of hope that even the super dragon balls have limits, like "I can only revive one universe at a time" so U7 revives their bros and sisters in U6, or vice versa. That way U9 stays dead. Comedy Option: "Sorry bro, can't bring back universes. poo poo out of luck. Sucks to be them."
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Aug 30, 2017 18:59
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Goku wishes that the king of all be destroyed since having this genocidal man child around is clearly not a good thing.
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Aug 30, 2017 19:02
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Monaghan posted:Goku wishes that the king of all be destroyed since having this genocidal man child around is clearly not a good thing. But enough about Goku I kinda hope that Goku's new form isn't some crazy multiplier or anything, like I hope he actually managed to somehow transcend to the plane of the Gods
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Aug 30, 2017 19:05
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Just as Gohan comes into his own with his Mystic form, Goku supercedes him as Mystic God Mystic Saiyan
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Aug 30, 2017 19:06
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Kashuno posted:Just as Gohan comes into his own with his Mystic form, Goku supercedes him as Mystic God Mystic Saiyan "Dad, I think I finally found my new form: Ult-", Gohan says with childish excitement as he seeks approval from his negligent father. But, his joy turns to sorrow as Goku stands above him, cloaked in a white aura. "D-dad?", falls meekly from his bemused lips. "Gohan, I have transcended past a God. I am now 'God of Destruction Goku'. All the power of the energy of destruction is corrosing through every cell in my body. Champa, Beerus, Whis! Hah, I can't wait for that rematch! Now, what did you need to ask me, son?" Pushing his index fingers together in an embarrassed gesture, his aura poofs and his hair returns to normal. "N-nothing, Dad. I-I was just wondering if you need my back-up or som-" "No need!" Goku interjects like a rhino bursting into a china shop. Like a missile, he darts towards the Grand Priest. A sick joy has infected the warrior's eyes and turned them to something unnerving, the sick joy known as "the lust of battle." "I-I'll just wait here." The dejected son squats on the tournament floor, resigned to his fate as the eternal shadow to his shining father. Tags: DBZ, DBS, Goku, Gohan, Neotare
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Aug 30, 2017 19:18
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I'm hoping the picture of Goku's new form is actually of Vegeta and it turns out when you go a level beyond you just turn into baseline Goku.
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Aug 30, 2017 19:20
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Skinty McEdger posted:I'm hoping the picture of Goku's new form is actually of Vegeta and it turns out when you go a level beyond you just turn into baseline Goku.  This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but it's what peak performance looks like. 
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Aug 30, 2017 19:25
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Skinty McEdger posted:I'm hoping the picture of Goku's new form is actually of Vegeta and it turns out when you go a level beyond you just turn into baseline Goku. Strongest Warrior Under the Heavens: Goten.
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Aug 30, 2017 19:26
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Calibanibal posted:naw goku is gonna win and then say "zen-chan that wasnt nice bring back the other universes or i wont be ur friend anymore" and then everybody will gasp/jaw-drop and zen-oh will say "okay" and he'll do it. shounen That would be an extremely boring and anticlimactic way to resolve the situation, and not in tune with how other Dragonball arcs have ended.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:38
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sassassin posted:That would be an extremely boring and anticlimactic way to resolve the situation, and not in tune with how other Dragonball arcs have ended. At the end of every arc DB undoes of all its collateral damage and deaths by using a magic wishing granting dragon. The good guys/ innocent people come back unless a character specifically requests that they not be wished back. EDIT- poo poo even in super the only real damage is trunks timeline getting destroyed, but he goes an fucks off to another timeline which is exactly the same as his old one, but all the bad stuff didn't happen.
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Monaghan posted:At the end of every arc DB undoes of all its collateral damage and deaths by using a magic wishing granting dragon. 
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Aug 30, 2017 20:46
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The damage of the Saiyan Saga doesn't get fixed until
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Battle of Gods: Beerus gets bored and decides to leave without doing the destruction, even though Goku didn't win. Return of Frieza: Frieza destroys everything, Whis rewinds and lets Goku take care of things Universe 6: Nothing Future Trunks: Infinite Zamasu destroyed, Future Trunks just goes to better future. Super is pretty clear on things not really mattering.
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Monaghan posted:the only real damage is trunks timeline getting destroyed A good sentence. Those poor little kids.
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I can't think of any consequences for this arc that wouldn't entail getting rid of all these interesting characters forever, so I'm fine with them not happening.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:57
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Dragonball as a franchise is genuinely really light on consequence. Events happen that are bad but almost every single one is undone by the end of the arc from the start of Dragonball. Even massive game-changing deaths or the literal destruction of cities or even the world is a mild inconvenience even if it's super serious at the time. It's pretty likely this will continue because Dragonball doesn't really want heavy long-term world-ruining consequences. It wants a fun action show where genocidal madmen and literal satan can be redeemed.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:01
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shonen as a whole is a genre light on consequences, dragonball just takes that to the next level
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Aug 30, 2017 21:07
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Saiyan saga had consequences, Namek had consequences, Cell had consequences. Deaths got reversed eventually but there were still lasting effects to the events. Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Gohan, they all got put through the wringer, changing as a result. It would be very disappointing if all this amounted to nothing more than introducing some new characters for future video games, and a shiny new transformation for that loveable scamp Son Goku.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:34
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sassassin posted:Saiyan saga had consequences, Namek had consequences, Cell had consequences. Deaths got reversed eventually but there were still lasting effects to the events. Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Gohan, they all got put through the wringer, changing as a result. Saiyan Saga's consequences were undone by the Namek saga and were some of the longest lasting in the franchise. Namek's consequences were undone or effectively undone before the end of the saga. Same with Cell and the only reason Goku didn't come back is because he asked not to. People die and were sad and suffered but at the end of the day everyone was revived pretty drat quickly.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:48
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dragonball has lasting consequences in the same way western comics do: bad things happen and maybe stick around for a while, but are all inevitably reversed in a way that means they might as well have never happened unless you're future trunks
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Manatee Cannon posted:dragonball has lasting consequences in the same way western comics do: bad things happen and maybe stick around for a while, but are all inevitably reversed in a way that means they might as well have never happened Or Vegeta or Piccolo or Gohan or Krillin or Yamcha. Time moves forward in Dragonball, characters reshaped by events in often significant ways. It's not like western comic books at all.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:57
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sassassin posted:Or Vegeta or Piccolo or Gohan or Krillin or Yamcha. Other than Yamcha all of these character changes are positive. They become happier better people. Sad things (people dying ,loss) doesn't happen. The idea that DBZ is going to have an ending in which over multiple universes die and stay dead seems ridiculous to me. It's completely contrary to what's happen in the show thus far.
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Monaghan posted:Other than Yamcha all of these character changes are positive. They become happier better people. Sad things (people dying ,loss) doesn't happen. I haven't said that the consequences must be sad. Only that Goku simply asking for everything to be put back to normal at the end would be an unsatisfying and anti-climactic ending and out of tune with previous Dragonball endings. The last arc ended with an entire timeline full of (two) happy, hopeful children being extinguished. It was loving horrific.
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https://twitter.com/ActionZacku/status/902562519956414465
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sassassin posted:The last arc ended with an entire timeline full of (two) happy, hopeful children being extinguished. It was loving horrific. And the last image of the arc being Trunks breaking down with PTSD over the deaths and his failure to protect them. Well also Gohan telling him "at least you tried."
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I mean, DBZ is guilty of going back to status quo a LOT. There's character development but not a lot of consequences to the big catastrophic events, which is why people aren't banking on all those universes being perma-erased for real. I mean, I wouldn't put money on U6 or the Pride Troopers being deleted, at the very least.
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Trunks timeline died but low and behold there was an entirely new timeline waiting for trunks in which they all existed and none of the bad things even happened. So I don't think it's as dark your making it out to be.
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Trunks knows his real mum is dead. He couldn't save her.Dias posted:I mean, DBZ is guilty of going back to status quo a LOT. There's character development but not a lot of consequences to the big catastrophic events, which is why people aren't banking on all those universes being perma-erased for real. I mean, I wouldn't put money on U6 or the Pride Troopers being deleted, at the very least. The Pride Troopers will reaffirm their dedication to Justice and join in the slaughter of the gods.
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If I had to bet, I'd say we'll get a sort of compromise, universes 9, 10, 4 and 3 will remain destroyed while 7, 6, 11 and possibly 2 will be loopholed out of danger. Maybe something will interrupt the tournament before it ends, there's a draw with 1 or 2 people for each universe remaining by the time the clock runs out or Zeno decides not to blow up the universes that lost but nonetheless made it to the end of the clock because he wants to make the tournament a yearly endeavor with the other exempt universes included but no more threat of erasure.
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Monaghan posted:Trunks timeline died but low and behold there was an entirely new timeline waiting for trunks in which they all existed and none of the bad things even happened. yeah but they still died
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Frieza and Frost try to kill Zenos and fail. The Zenos find it fun and enjoyable, wipe frieza and frost from existence, then say U7 and U6 can stick around to make more funny bad guys
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Stairmaster posted:yeah but they still died A lot of fiction doesn't really seem to care about that.
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Monaghan posted:Trunks timeline died but low and behold there was an entirely new timeline waiting for trunks in which they all existed and none of the bad things even happened. There's also a Trunks and Mai already in that universe so he still can't see his Mom without hiding she'd probably be cool with it though. Also Goku is a terrible candidate for a GoD destruction and Vegeta probably won't want to leave his family. The real hint is if Champa starts picking his own successor since U6 and U7 are twin universes. I'm kind of hoping it'll be one of the kids to be honest since Uub is taking the main Goku successor slot so someone else can be GoD
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Perfect Cell will make an excellent god of destruction imho
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It's gonna be Piccolo
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Basically, you can be Rick about the ending of the Goku Black Arc or you can be Morty about the ending of the Goku black Arc. Either way, your decision is pointless.
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SirKibbles posted:There's also a Trunks and Mai already in that universe so he still can't see his Mom without hiding she'd probably be cool with it though.
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Uub is going to become a supreme kai look at his hair it's obvious
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Nessus posted:Android 17 would be perfect. Android 17 really would be a bizarrely perfect God of Destruction. He has just enough nihilism while also being absurdly loving dedicated to his job and having enough of an actual soft side to not be an rear end in a top hat about it. Also incredibly pragmatic so he'd take care of poo poo right away instead of pulling a Beerus.
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