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sassassin posted:My bet is that Jiren is a gag character (which is why he's not considered for GoD of his universe, but is nevertheless unbeatable). I hope that it turns out that his deep voice from earlier was because he needed to clear his throat, and it turns out he has the most obnoxious, high-pitched, screeching voice when he actually starts talking.
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It's a bit crude with the language/not safe but someone linked me this video on the whole Tien thing and I feel it hits some points head on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42HNvl0e26I
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Sep 4, 2017 18:19
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Jiren is so over-the-top serious that I'm convinced he's going to have a complete personality 180 when he finally starts fighting and go full Ginyu Force/Great Saiyaman (or something else wacky). That's pretty much the Dragon Ball approach to comedy, after all.
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HGH posted:It's a bit crude with the language/not safe but someone linked me this video on the whole Tien thing and I feel it hits some points head on: He's right about Gohan never really earning anything but wrong to attribute all the handjobs to Toriyama as most of them are obvious Toei filler that won't have appeared in Toriyama's treatments.
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Sep 4, 2017 18:36
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Jiren is the Brolly of U11.
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Sep 4, 2017 19:46
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HGH posted:It's a bit crude with the language/not safe but someone linked me this video on the whole Tien thing and I feel it hits some points head on: this feels very "why isn't the show catering to MY favorite character" to be honest.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:01
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I can like the show and still point out the bad/pacing issues. Believe me I complained all the time during the OG run. The Buu saga was brutal week by week.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:04
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TFRazorsaw posted:this feels very "why isn't the show catering to MY favorite character" to be honest. Normally I'd agree but Seriously Tien is just weird. I don't agree with everything in that video, but the show treats Tien like a Piccolo level fighter, only he's never allowed to do anything. He doesn't get his own focus episode, he hasn't done anything in the tournament, and his final episode here was just a poo poo show. Unless all hell breaks loose and Tien like, holds down an Angel or something stupid, Yamcha would have gotten to do more and gotten more focus than him. Krillin got a lot of build up, and he got an episode filled with him doing crazy poo poo and being relevant. Tien got nothing, got bodied, and then ran at a guy for 20 minutes before falling for the easiest trick in the book. It's super disappointing for the character and anyone that was hoping he'd do something after Krillin and Roshi both got to shine.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:06
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HGH posted:It's a bit crude with the language/not safe but someone linked me this video on the whole Tien thing and I feel it hits some points head on: lmbo at a video as long as the episode itself
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Sep 4, 2017 20:15
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TFRazorsaw posted:this feels very "why isn't the show catering to MY favorite character" to be honest. When it caters to almost every other character it's a valid moan.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:15
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the show has literally never treated tien as being on par with piccolo he is supposed to be stronger than roshi tho, who got to take out 3 people in a single episode and hasn't been relevant since the second tournament in og dragonball
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Sep 4, 2017 20:18
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Manatee Cannon posted:the show has literally never treated tien as being on par with piccolo Super has treated Tien as vaguely equal to Piccolo in terms of standing. Like, no one worries about Tien like they do Krillin. That's what I mean. Not that he's as powerful. It's why in the Goku V Gohan match, Tien was expected to take on Piccolo on even terms. Goku was just the worst loving teammate in the world because Goku
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Sep 4, 2017 20:21
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no it hasn't and yes they have. tien worries about sucking too much to fight just like krillin did goku and gohan both solo fought krillin before fighting tien e: krillin also did way better against either of them and doesn't spend an episode getting owned by roshi
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Sep 4, 2017 20:22
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Burkion posted:
a summary of this entire story arc
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Sep 4, 2017 20:22
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I mean characters are gonna fall by the way side there are characters the audience or the writers just don't have passion for Tien may have drawn the short straw but that's gonna happen Myself I didn't really give a craw about him until DBZA and that has zero to do with the actual show, so Ehhhhh. It happens.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:25
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Burkion posted:Like, no one worries about Tien like they do Krillin. That's what I mean. Not that he's as powerful. Maybe that's just because they don't give a poo poo about Tien whereas Krillin is a very good friend to them
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Sep 4, 2017 20:26
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also they specifically state that tien is weaker than krillin, so clearly he's not as good as piccolo either the way he went out was still lame tho. I feel bad for all 5 tien fans in the world
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Sep 4, 2017 20:27
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Krillin is the comic relief, that's the only reason nobody worries about Tien - he isn't funny
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Sep 4, 2017 20:29
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it's dragonball, everyone is the comic relief
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Sep 4, 2017 20:33
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Yes. it's a comedy show, but Tien is treated as a serious guy for the most part (after DB) e: Tien's comedic moments are "wow this serious guy is being funny LOL"
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Sep 4, 2017 20:35
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I don't get why people are saying Tien didn't do anything. He pulled off some sweet poses. The Tien Force
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Sep 4, 2017 20:47
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While Super has treated Tien like absolute crap, I do think it's worth mentioning that the whole Yurin episode gave him more character development and growth than he's ever had since he was resurrected from King Kai's. I mean basically the only thing he ever did since then was train and sometimes show up in fights, mostly to watch or get manhandled. In the timeskip between Cell and Buu everyone else's lives had moved on clearly but Tien was still out in the middle of nowhere training with Chiaotzu, he didn't even go to the world tournament. At least now he's gotten a dojo organised and maybe even another love interest. TBH he's gotten more screentime in Super than you might assume given how little a role he played by the end of Z.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:47
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tien has been treated appropriately.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:51
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TFRazorsaw posted:I mean Yeah I mean this tournament is only 45 minutes long so there's nowhere near enough time for anything like individual episodes/half episodes focusing on each member of U7's team and also a few from U6 and that creepy-looking rabbit Pride Trooper.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:53
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I meant in terms of being in a long running series and interest from both the fans and the creators dropping off and it leading to some half-hearted efforts
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Sep 4, 2017 20:55
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Tien kinda got his character spot taken from him like, seven times by now. He isn't that unpopular though, it's just that Toriyama doesn't like him so he doesn't bother giving him anything, the casual DBZ fan remembers him pretty well, I'd wager. Also the elimination order theory is still holding water. Next one up should be Roshi.
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Sep 4, 2017 21:00
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TFRazorsaw posted:I meant in terms of being in a long running series and interest from both the fans and the creators dropping off and it leading to some half-hearted efforts The treatment of Tien doesn't strike me as particularly half-hearted. They're clearly very interested in making him look as big a chump as possible. I think it's the Chinese thing tbh.
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Dias posted:Tien kinda got his character spot taken from him like, seven times by now. He isn't that unpopular though, it's just that Toriyama doesn't like him so he doesn't bother giving him anything, the casual DBZ fan remembers him pretty well, I'd wager. Piccolo's holding the number two ball in the opening so that one's already disproven isn't it? The ending theory on the other hand, could be correct after next episode.
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Sep 4, 2017 21:10
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Justin_Brett posted:Piccolo's holding the number two ball in the opening so that one's already disproven isn't it? The ending theory on the other hand, could be correct after next episode. I thought it was Tien 2, Roshi 3, Piccolo 4?
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Sep 4, 2017 21:12
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Dias posted:I thought it was Tien 2, Roshi 3, Piccolo 4? No it was Krillin 1, Piccolo 2, Roshi 3, Tien 4, 17 5, 18, 6, Freeza 7. But the ending Order seems like it may be the case. Which means Vegeta will be eliminated.
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MonsterEnvy posted:No it was Krillin 1, Piccolo 2, Roshi 3, Tien 4, 17 5, 18, 6, Freeza 7. Really? I thought it was Tien 2, Roshi 3, then Piccolo 4. Besides, it would be weird to cut Piccolo before we meet the U6 Namekians.
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Sep 4, 2017 22:22
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MonsterEnvy posted:No it was Krillin 1, Piccolo 2, Roshi 3, Tien 4, 17 5, 18, 6, Freeza 7. The thread the theory originated in said Krillin then Tien.
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Sep 4, 2017 22:24
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sometimes I think about how goku is only alive because the alien cop who was supposed to murder him as a baby missed his chance because he got shoved off a cliff after peeing on a sci-fi writer
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Sep 4, 2017 22:29
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Blockhouse posted:sometimes I think about how goku is only alive because the alien cop who was supposed to murder him as a baby missed his chance because he got shoved off a cliff after peeing on a sci-fi writer Man, late-era Vonnegut got even weirder, huh.
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Blockhouse posted:sometimes I think about how goku is only alive because the alien cop who was supposed to murder him as a baby missed his chance because he got shoved off a cliff after peeing on a sci-fi writer Jaco retcon is good because of this exactly. Making this whole situation, in a roundabout way, Jaco's fault is a perfect cherry on top of Toriyama's absurdity sundae.
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Sep 4, 2017 22:54
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Manatee Cannon posted:the show has literally never treated tien as being on par with piccolo Master Roshi helped take down Freeza's troops on the RoF arc, alongside Tien, Krillin, Piccolo and Gohan.
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Sep 4, 2017 23:50
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Serge Painsbourg posted:Really? I thought it was Tien 2, Roshi 3, then Piccolo 4. Besides, it would be weird to cut Piccolo before we meet the U6 Namekians. Yes it would be weird to eliminate Piccolo before then. Which is why the opening theory turned out to be wrong.
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Sep 4, 2017 23:56
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Trying to theorycraft from the ED after the OP elimination theory got disproven just feels like moving from one pile of chicken bones to another.
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Next episode looks good, though. Roshi gonna try and mafuba Frost, though it looks like it will probably fail.
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seiferguy posted:Next episode looks good, though. Roshi gonna try and mafuba Frost, though it looks like it will probably fail. There is some speculation that Frost is going to turn it around and wack Vegeta with it.
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