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TFRazorsaw posted:I dunno. I'm at the same place I was last week. This isn't about Deku's moment of triumph, this is about a poor abused girl finding the power to stand up against her abuser and prove she's not a curse, or a monster, or a burden. Her helping Deku to power up is about showing that heroism is about more than just power, and that saving people is about more than just BEING there - Deku and Mirio not only came to Eri's rescue physically, they helped her to take her own agency back and stand up to Chisaki. It's a big part of the series' themes, that simply showing up and punching people until they stop being evil is only part of the job. It's not about Deku going "super saiyan", it's about showing how two heroes encouraged a girl to be her OWN hero too. i could buy into this more if eri had even a single line of dialogue in the chapter, but she doesn't. and there is as much focus on her as the girls down in the pit.
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Yeah I have no idea how you can say it's about Eri when she's had five lines of dialogue total and really is just a motivator for the men in the arc to do things, or for the story to take turns that it wouldn't otherwise. That can be doable when we have a character we get to spend time with and connect to but Eri's barely been in this arc at all and has no personality beyond being a victim. She's a MacGuffin that cries a lot. Like even if that's what this arc was actually about, it would still be executed in an unsatisfying way.
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Blockhouse posted:Yeah I have no idea how you can say it's about Eri when she's had five lines of dialogue total and really is just a motivator for the men in the arc to do things, or for the story to take turns that it wouldn't otherwise. That can be doable when we have a character we get to spend time with and connect to but Eri's barely been in this arc at all and has no personality beyond being a victim. She's a MacGuffin that cries a lot. You're right, it's totally inexcusable how hard every female character has been sidelined, especially Eri, who this should actually be about.
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Blockhouse posted:I don't think she is. I think that it's happening at all is profoundly loving lame and anti-climactic. I really don't see this as "Deku's big Super Saiyan-esque transformation moment" since the only reason he'll be able to use 100% is because of Eri. His big Super Saiyan-esque moment will be when he can use it without a little girl strapped to his back. I see this as more of a preview of what Deku might be capable of in the future.
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Rhonne posted:I really don't see this as "Deku's big Super Saiyan-esque transformation moment" since the only reason he'll be able to use 100% is because of Eri. His big Super Saiyan-esque moment will be when he can use it without a little girl strapped to his back. So it's more like the false Super Saiyan state from the Lord Slug movie which is appropriate because Overhaul is exactly as interesting as a D-tier DBZ movie villain
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Oct 20, 2017 14:02
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I've kinda resigned myself to the girls never getting a really good fight because WSJ series seem to be dreadfully allergic to it on average and Hori seems unwilling to buck that trend.
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I want Deku's costume to have a futuristic back pack and just carry Eri around everywhere from now on.
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Them getting fights would be neat but I don't even really need that. I'd just like them to be at all present instead of disappearing for six months or whatever
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dogsicle posted:i don't think people are fixating on assumptions anymore, and are instead of the opinion that deku fighting at 100% cowl with a child strapped to his back is dumb. in an arc that has been incredibly overlong, and is now rushing haphazardly to a conclusion so we can all be free of it. It's like we all forgot about Beelzebub...
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Also my biggest disappointment is that we burned up the really interesting plot point of Toga having Deku's blood on this.
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Fabricated posted:Also my biggest disappointment is that we burned up the really interesting plot point of Toga having Deku's blood on this. Between that, Overhaul's powers, the debut of Full Cowl, and others this arc might as well be the Good Plot Point Bonfire
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Fabricated posted:Also my biggest disappointment is that we burned up the really interesting plot point of Toga having Deku's blood on this. I mean, this fight could give her a chance to collect more if she wants.
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What if this Deku is actually a clone from Twice? That explains the future vision, gets Eric out of being a crazy plot device and gives the villains a victory they need.
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Rhonne posted:I mean, this fight could give her a chance to collect more if she wants. That would be dumb and repetitive. Burning the Deku blood here was an insane decision that affected pretty much nothing in the grand scheme and really bugs me, her just getting more would be even worse somehow.
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Oct 20, 2017 14:18
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The huge "oh poo poo" stinger for the license arc was Toga getting a drop of his blood. She literally kidnapped and possibly killed a girl and risked getting caught to... momentarily redirect everyone. There were a million incredibly scary and awesome uses for it and this arc just burned that poo poo up.
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I'll maintain that my only problem with this arc is in the villains. I get that y'all want to see the girls fighting, but the whole tee-up of the arc was Mirio and Deku loving up, regretting it, and seeking to make it right. If they had trimmed all of the Kirishima and Sasuke fights, and replaced it with making Overhaul less of a jobber, that would have been preferable to anything else, with "nothing" being a close second.
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Fabricated posted:He said in an interview that he has the basic outline of the whole story laid out and that like a couple arcs back we were at the 20% mark. eichirooda.txt
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Shere posted:I'll maintain that my only problem with this arc is in the villains. I get that y'all want to see the girls fighting, but the whole tee-up of the arc was Mirio and Deku loving up, regretting it, and seeking to make it right. If they had trimmed all of the Kirishima and Sasuke fights, and replaced it with making Overhaul less of a jobber, that would have been preferable to anything else, with "nothing" being a close second. Yeah. Even the Villain Alliances sections were odd and didn't make 100% sense. I think this arc could have used some trimming and make Overhaul more interesting instead of fleshing out Mirio's buddy that we haven't had enough time to really care about and Kirishima could have had his moment and back story somewhere else. Now that Eri is 100% able to undo wounds on people I'm going to be curious how the story writes that she isn't taken to fix All Might immediately. It better be decent and not some dumb "I won't accept this because my time is past" nonsense.
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kidcoelacanth posted:Where's Mei She's dead, I'm sorry you had to find out here.
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This arc in general has been too much of all the wrong stuff and not enough of the right stuff mixed with short chapters and illness related hiatus. Girls get sidelined, Overhaul gets zero development really before we just kick his door down and it's final battle time, too much side-character poo poo, not enough explanation of what Eri is. Combined with burning up interesting plotlines. The blood thing is so unbelievably dumb because it completely trashes that insanely great stinger that did a good job capping off the sort of uneven license arc that turned out pretty good all together. Like I'm legit salty about it. Horikoshi completely, completely pissed away any indeterminable number of huge 1-2 page "This isn't really Midoriya" stingers that could quite literally make an entire arc and scare/hype the readerbase. NO ONE was safe so long as she had that blood, and now it doesn't matter anymore. Ya blew it Hori.
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Do we know that she already used up all of the blood she had?
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Rhonne posted:She's dead, I'm sorry you had to find out here. what theFuck
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Fabricated posted:The blood thing is so unbelievably dumb because it completely trashes that insanely great stinger that did a good job capping off the sort of uneven license arc that turned out pretty good all together. Like I'm legit salty about it. this is pretty much you letting your imagination run away with you and getting mad when the story doesn't live up to it.
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Rhonne posted:Do we know that she already used up all of the blood she had? Elfgames posted:this is pretty much you letting your imagination run away with you and getting mad when the story doesn't live up to it.
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Fabricated posted:I've kinda resigned myself to the girls never getting a really good fight because WSJ series seem to be dreadfully allergic to it on average and Hori seems unwilling to buck that trend. Honestly, he doesn't seem willing to buck any trends. MHA has always been straight laced as shonen comes but it used to be very well done. As of late, it's been poorly done so it's just a poor shonen in the present. The quality of it in the past is why I have some hope he can turn it around and get it back on the rails of good shonen.
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Bitching aside this was a rad spread.
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Yeah that was badass, especially with the fingers being the panel borders.
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Eri is a traumatized kid, and honestly, for me, the last couple of chapters showing her backstory and it felt the narration and art were giving her words that Eri herself couldn't vocalize. I guess I was projecting my own interpretation of those events and expecting everyone else to see it the same way. So yeah, I didn't really see all sides of the discussion. Sorry guys 
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Honestly, he doesn't seem willing to buck any trends. He stumbled pretty badly taking advantage of his setups here. Mirio and co, the blood, eri, overhaul. You can SEE the more interesting directions he could have taken which is frustrating, but I guess that's better than being utterly confused as to wtf is going on or wondering what the point of an entire arc is or royally loving up a character's development,etc etc
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From all the bouts of illness and chapters with art that just seemed unfinished, I think Horikoshi needs to take a break after this arc. Just, like...take a few weeks off to relax and unwind and not succumb to death by manga that so many manga writers seem to be forced to succumb to by the horrible business practices of their industry.
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I will admit, it'd really suck if what happened to Bleach happened to MHA.
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Fabricated posted:Yeah. Hori did an exceptional job of setting the pins up in previous arcs and then knocking them down later to great effect. Dunno, it feels to me like he's picked a specific direction, one that resonates with people like TFRazorsaw, and is holding fast onto it and you're pissed because it's not the direction you want it to be. Like, maybe this isn't about Deku or Toga or the girls. Maybe this is about Eri.
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Uhm. Please don't use me for a vehicle for arguments like that. Their points are just as valid as mine.
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Right, that was rude of me. Sorry. Anyways, it seems we've got a fundamental divergence between what the writer's trying to do and what the reader feels should be done, so  I'm still feeling it, at least.
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The only thing keeping Mirio's fight - and now Deku's - from being worthy payoff is Overhaul. Eri is plenty empathetic and the angle of her finding agency in her own rescue is probably what resonates with me too. It's basically just like a repeat of when Deku fought Muscular for that kid's sake, except this time the kid is helping and the one getting kidnapped is Aizawa. I just don't see how Overhaul avoids getting pancaked instantly here. At least Muscular came off as overwhelmingly powerful. Overhaul's power has the same issue all lethal abilities and weapons have in shounen - if he actually got to use it on someone, there wouldn't be a fight. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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Tollymain posted:midoriya's going super saiyan  I don't really see as much reason to freak out at "how bad this arc is" or whatever - is it great? No, it's not living up to the rest of MHA as a whole, but is it the worst thing oh god why is this happening? No. Not at all. It's just lackluster. Yeah, Horikoshi should probably take a break for a week or two after this arc. Aurora posted:this arc would have been perfect if overhaul had just lost to mirio and mirio lost his quirk at the last second protecting eri As an aside: rumble in the bunghole posted:What if this Deku is actually a clone from Twice? That explains the future vision, gets Eric out of being a crazy plot device and gives the villains a victory they need.
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I don't particularly mind Overhaul, but he's not exactly Mr. Personality either. He reminds me of, like, King Cobra from Marvel Comics. Just your 100% standard supervillain head of a gang of similarly themed villains that exist to Have a Sinister Scheme and get beaten (but at what cost???). Except this group doesn't even have a Diamondback to make things interesting. I do agree that this really is more Eri's arc. The flashy villain fights are making that hard to process, though. It's more worrying to watch Horikoshi's storytelling degrade. His layouts are still very dynamic, and the action is still intense, but having to look at each page three times to figure out what all just happened is kind of a bummer. Also getting tired of people starting a sentence in their thoughts and never finishing them. "But if he -- maybe I can -- !!"
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