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Henchman of Santa posted:Yeah but like  Seriously though I will never subscribe to the Athletic because they don't cover my favorite teams, I already subscribe to the Washington Post, and I still think bloggers do a good enough job to fill in the gaps.
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I like the Athletic, because I love the writers they hired for the teams I care about. Durkin and Fishbain are great for the Bears, Noh is great on the Bulls(though yeah the Bloggers who cover the Bulls are spectacular), they brought in Mayberry from OKC, and he seems fine so far but no real opinion. Sahadev Sharma's writing on the Cubs is so loving good. But yeah if they don't cover your team it's probably not a great idea to subscribe to them. Also look at all upper levels of startups, and companies in general and you are likely to have narcissistic grandstanding assholes. Like you have loving silicon valley start ups talking comical poo poo about closing every bodega, by putting out what is essentially a fancy vending machine, that uses a phone app. Also rich people always talked like that, now it's just heard more. You had TV people talking poo poo about print, or radio, and you've always had Internet assholes talking poo poo about TV and non-internet based things. Subscription based sites is going to be the only way any type of media survives going forward. Unless you can pull in just a completely massive amount of hits to video ads(which is real annoying, as I thought we moved past the auto playing video/flash ad, but it's coming back and just as annoying).
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It being par for the course doesn't make it less funny when trust-fund kids holler about how their invincible startups will never die https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoUaJFH252w
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Oct 23, 2017 17:46
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Link to the NYTimes piece on the Athletic.
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"Let's set money on fire until our competition dies or gives up" is totally healthy, sustainable, and not at all ultimately terrifying
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Wait, Kevin Draper went from being a self-righteous tool at Deadspin to writing for the goddamn New York Times? Talk about stepping up.
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ElwoodCuse posted:"Let's set money on fire until our competition dies or gives up" is totally healthy, sustainable, and not at all ultimately terrifying Uber is an example to aspire to, not a cautionary tale
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ElwoodCuse posted:"Let's set money on fire until our competition dies or gives up" is totally healthy, sustainable, and not at all ultimately terrifying I'm not sure they're actually burning through that much cash. They said in the article that Toronto is already break even for them, and a lot of other cities are close to break even. Plus, I think they get their cash for the annual subscription up front, so that significantly helps with cash flow. I think The Athletic can survive because you only really need a couple of writers per team. Factor in an extra person here or there and you could run an entire sports department for a city with four teams and have like 10 people. It's not that much overhead.
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How many of their subscribers are going to renew, and at full price? I have been bombarded with "sign up now and get 30% off" ads. How are they going to make money long-term when newspapers can't and other websites have failed? What happens to the writers when the competition is dead and here come the pay cuts?
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ElwoodCuse posted:How many of their subscribers are going to renew, and at full price? I have been bombarded with "sign up now and get 30% off" ads. How are they going to make money long-term when newspapers can't and other websites have failed? What happens to the writers when the competition is dead and here come the pay cuts? If they can keep up the quality the Chicago writers are at(imo anyway) people will renew. Also people might forget about it and accidentally renew(the vintage subscription trick) they make money by having subscriptions and not having the additional cost of printing paper and delivering them. Just paying writers (and administrators). That last point is a valid one, the answer is unionizing. But who knows thats further down the line.
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Yeah if the content across the board is as good as the Chicago section I don't see why people wouldn't renew, especially when it's still as cheap/cheaper than like ESPN Insider but with way more/better content.
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angrygodofjebus posted:I don't see why people wouldn't renew Because people are cheap
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If they were that cheap as to not want to pay for sports they wouldn't sign up in the first place
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Had to screenshot it but Agreed
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Dexo posted:If they were that cheap as to not want to pay for sports they wouldn't sign up in the first place There are discounts everywhere and can you read anything at all as a trial? People will gamble on it and then not be impressed when the cost goes up. I will be stunned if their plan is anything but consolidate talent, kill competition, pray the biggest fish left buys us out before we run out of money.
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https://twitter.com/espnpr/status/922548379175063552 "drat, looks like people know Barstool is a terrible site for terrible people and we can't ignore it anymore."
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skaboomizzy posted:https://twitter.com/espnpr/status/922548379175063552 
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I sort of appreciate the candor even if it was a bad idea to begin with
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skaboomizzy posted:https://twitter.com/espnpr/status/922548379175063552 morestuff posted:I sort of appreciate the candor even if it was a bad idea to begin with I guess but this has to be the most obvious "Man lies down with dogs, surprised by fleas" headline (not associated with the Republican party) I've seen in a long time. I wonder if they could have kept the show and just removed the barstool branding from it.
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skaboomizzy posted:https://twitter.com/espnpr/status/922548379175063552 It's kind of amazing how ESPN can turn every single situation into every side hating them in the end. How are they so bad at this?
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And PFT and Big Cat's boss demanding the Barstool name be on the show cost them the gig. I didn't think they needed to get out before but now it seems like that guy is going to hold them back.
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I really like the writers on The Athletic's Toronto site. I would prefer their management not spew tech bro disruption-speak but the idea that they are trying a model that actually leads to writers getting paid is still the most favourable.
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It was a dumb thing to say but the hand-wringing from sports media was comical. Most of these local papers are owned by billionaires who can hold their own in a business fight. This isn't some tech dude bros putting some poor small businessman under, their competition is people like Jeff Bezos, John Henry, Michael Ferro, and Carlos Slim. Actions speak louder than words and as of now The Athletic is actually spending money on quality content.
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Niwrad posted:It was a dumb thing to say but the hand-wringing from sports media was comical. Most of these local papers are owned by billionaires who can hold their own in a business fight. This isn't some tech dude bros putting some poor small businessman under, their competition is people like Jeff Bezos, John Henry, Michael Ferro, and Carlos Slim. I agree. There's nothing sacred about the newspaper format that wasn't sullied hundreds of years ago as they became engines for wealth generation
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Dexo posted:That last point is a valid one, the answer is unionizing. But who knows thats further down the line. I don't think unionizing keeps your company from going under.
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Niwrad posted:And PFT and Big Cat's boss demanding the Barstool name be on the show cost them the gig. I didn't think they needed to get out before but now it seems like that guy is going to hold them back. Don't you think "get fired by ESPN" was probably on both of their bucket lists? I can't imagine how lame you have to be to spend a career at ESPN and never be fired/disciplined. It would be like having a clean rap sheet on the Something Awful Forums. General Dog fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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General Dog posted:I can't imagine how lame you have to be to spend a career at ESPN and never be fired/disciplined. It would be like having a clean rap sheet on the Something Awful Forums. Bob Ley is not lame  (I can't imagine Bob Ley's ever been in trouble with espn management, but he also might've, I don't really know)
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I've never heard anything but good things about Bob as a person off camera.
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Say it ain't so, thing I've never heard of
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Lockback posted:I wonder if they could have kept the show and just removed the barstool branding from it. There's no possible way Portnoy would have ever let that happen
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Niwrad posted:And PFT and Big Cat's boss demanding the Barstool name be on the show cost them the gig. I didn't think they needed to get out before but now it seems like that guy is going to hold them back. According to their latest podcast the name was originally supposed to just be Pardon My Take. Two weeks ago Dave Portnoy apparently pushed to change the name to Barstool Van Talk which PFTCommenter was against. So sounds like Portnoy tried to pull some bullshit at the last second which ended up loving over everyone. What an rear end in a top hat. Hopefully this speeds up PFT’s exit.
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Adun posted:According to their latest podcast the name was originally supposed to just be Pardon My Take. Two weeks ago Dave Portnoy apparently pushed to change the name to Barstool Van Talk which PFTCommenter was against. I think that was his whole intention. Do that, play the victim card that ESPN hates "freedom of speech", ???, profit off dipshit alt-right folks. He feels like a discount Clay Travis. He knows if he plays his cards right he may be able to have his cake and eat it too, unlike Clay who is probably going to get in deep poo poo.
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gently caress Portnoy but he's got every right to want Barstool's name on what is ultimately Barstool's show.
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I get that PFT is a popular dude but he hitched his wagon to Portnoy. It's not as if it's recent news that Portnoy is a dickhead who pulls dickhead moves. Portnoy's not wrong when he's saying that you can't have it both ways. You're either attached to Barstool or you aren't. DJExile fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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