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ImpAtom posted:What? Kale is introduced as being Broly. Her power is always maximum, she just learns to control and focus it.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:It's probably because Jiren was built up to be exceedingly strong before we even met him, while Kale keeps reaching new heights of power without trying after her introduction. It's probably the fact that if you actually look at people complaining none of their criticisms are all that great/make sense. Like, yours honestly doesn't make any sense at all. Kale hasn't really gotten more powerful since she went Broly E: oh, well in that case what are your opinions on Goku doing quite literally the same kind of thing all throughout the series?
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Wait, my bad. I meant to say Caulifla, not Kale. What? Caulifla has made exactly two leaps in power: She learned Super Saiyan (from Cabba, who learned it just as quickly from Vegeta) and she reaches Super Sayian 2 accidentally while fighting Kale and then on purpose once Goku showed her how it was done. If you're going to argue that is 'too quickly' then you should remember that Goten and Trunks managed to learn Super Saiyan 3 on their own after seeing Goku do it once and Gohan reached Super Saiyan 2 while training with Goku by accident and Goku was just trying to force him to bring it out again.
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ImpAtom posted:What? Caulifla has made exactly two leaps in power: She learned Super Saiyan (from Cabba, who learned it just as quickly from Vegeta) and she reaches Super Sayian 2 accidentally while fighting Kale and then on purpose once Goku showed her how it was done. Saagonsa posted:E: oh, well in that case what are your opinions on Goku doing quite literally the same kind of thing all throughout the series? Oh wait.
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ImpAtom posted:What? Caulifla has made exactly two leaps in power: She learned Super Saiyan (from Cabba, who learned it just as quickly from Vegeta) and she reaches Super Sayian 2 accidentally while fighting Kale and then on purpose once Goku showed her how it was done. I mean seriously, Goten literally has been able to go super saiyan since before he can even remember before he had been trained at all TheGamerGuy23 posted:Yeah, and it was lovely when Cabba, Goten, and Trunks did it too. Do people even like Goten or Trunks? I've never seen people talk positively about them. And even with Goten and Trunks, they never went Super Saiyan 2 by accident, nor did they go from base, to Super Saiyan, to Super Saiyan 2 in less than an hour. Again, Goten is pretty seriously implied to be a baby or at most a toddler when he goes super saiyan. The reason people don't talk about Goten or Trunks much is because they haven't really had an opportunity to do much. The way Super is making characters relevant again though I wouldn't be surprised if they showed up as an arc focus
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Yeah, and it was lovely when Cabba, Goten, and Trunks did it too. Do people even like Goten or Trunks? I've never seen people talk positively about them. And even with Goten and Trunks, they never went Super Saiyan 2 by accident, nor did they go from base, to Super Saiyan, to Super Saiyan 2 in less than an hour. You can go "it's lovely" all you want but at this point it's an established part of the franchise that Super Saiyan is not actually that hard to reach once you know it exists. Why should Caulifla be any different from the other characters who it was already established for? Why is she different? If she couldn't go Super Saiyan then wouldn't people be asking "Why can Goten and Trunks transform so easily and not her?!" You know who did go Super Saiyan 2 by accident? Gohan. Who had it happen while training with his father. Which is how Goku knew it even existed. Again, something established in-series. We never saw Goku go Super Saiyan 2 but considering he learned it AND 3 offscreen in the afterlife it's a bit much to say that it was a struggle for him for sure. Remember that SS2 wasn't hard for Gohan to reach. Gohan just didn't want to unleash his full power because of his own issues. Nobody else has shown a serious struggle to reach SS2 once they are aware it can be done. You can complain if you want about the Super Saiyan form becoming a bargain bin toy and that's fine, but that ain't Caulifla. That is literally every Saiyan. TheGamerGuy23 posted:Ah yes, I remember that time Goku when Super Saiyan 2 within an hour after learning Super Saiyan was a thing. I remember the time Vegeta suddenly became a Super Saiyan by crying a lot after he discovered it was a thing, yes.
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Tbf up until Super the only Super Saiyans were all in Goku and Vegeta's family. Also two of them were conceived when Goku and Vegeta were close to attaining it already, and DBZ loving loves Lamarckism
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:On a side note, I wonder what it's like to be so insecure about liking a character that you have to resort to "People don't like her because of her vagina!" as an excuse. It certainly can't be because she's poorly written and just an obnoxious character, no sir. The reason this comes up is because it's usually pretty drat obvious that female characters get more harshly criticized for doing effectively the same thing than their male counterparts. Like, for example, is Caulifla really more obnoxious than someone like Vegeta and his endless egotistical swaggering? Not really, and everyone accepted that as just a part of his character and moved on, but I remember after Caulifla did some similar trash talking after meeting Goku for the first time and there were a silly number of people on places like Reddit who kept mentioning it like a month later and how they hoped Vegeta (of course) would put her in her place. It's pretty obvious what was going on there. On a side note this whole series is kind of built on bullshit powerups so I can't really say I care that much anymore. For me the worst one is Goku doing pressups in high gravity for a single week and being able to take on the whole Ginyu force and then final form Frieza. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Goten and Trunks went Super Saiyan without instruction as tiny baby children for no reason. That invalidates any complaint about Caulifla/Kale/Cabba
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Glagha posted:Goten and Trunks went Super Saiyan without instruction as tiny baby children for no reason. That invalidates any complaint about Caulifla/Kale/Cabba Power in DBZ is literally inherited, for Saiyans at least
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What if you didn't like Goten and Trunks? Probably fair to say most people don't, and that the girls won't turn out as irrelevant as them. oh oops, I should read harder Justin_Brett fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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ImpAtom posted:You can go "it's lovely" all you want but at this point it's an established part of the franchise that Super Saiyan is not actually that hard to reach once you know it exists. Why should Caulifla be any different from the other characters who it was already established for? Why is she different? If she couldn't go Super Saiyan then wouldn't people be asking "Why can Goten and Trunks transform so easily and not her?!" And wasn't Vegeta training extensively for weeks or months to try and reach Goku's level and go Super Saiyan? I distinctly remember him training in space or something. khwarezm posted:The reason this comes up is because it's usually pretty drat obvious that female characters get more harshly criticized for doing effectively the same thing than their male counterparts. Like, for example, is Caulifla really more obnoxious than someone like Vegeta and his endless egotistical swaggering? Not really, and everyone accepted that as just a part of his character and moved on, but I remember after Caulifla did some similar trash talking after meeting Goku for the first time and there were a silly number of people on places like Reddit who kept mentioning it like a month later and how they hoped Vegeta (of course) would put her in her place. It's pretty obvious what was going on there.
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Caulifla is literally girl Goku with a slightly more abrasive attitude. She goes around "hey let's fight I'm gonna beat you up" and everyone gets really bent out of shape.
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Nov 9, 2017 16:01
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U6 learning Super Saiyan because of Vegeta's teachings being spread and further developed is actually cool and good. It honestly highlights his own growth in a good way while allowing the U6 trio to still be their own characters.
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I never got the power complaints about Caulifla and Kale. Like what would be the point of introducing new characters this late in the game if they're going to be about as useful in a fight as Krillin? Just accept the fact that these people are strong as gently caress in this series about strong as gently caress people fighting.
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CharlestonJew posted:I never got the power complaints about Caulifla and Kale. Like what would be the point of introducing new characters this late in the game if they're going to be about as useful in a fight as Krillin? Just accept the fact that these people are strong as gently caress in this series about strong as gently caress people fighting. Glagha posted:Caulifla is literally girl Goku with a slightly more abrasive attitude. She goes around "hey let's fight I'm gonna beat you up" and everyone gets really bent out of shape. Glagha posted:I'm also deeply afraid of being beat up by a girl.
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Reminder, there's a good reason why people call Caulifla 'girl Goku': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msx52pU9GY8
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Goku's not that cocky or as much of a prick, it's more like friendly competition with him, unless he's facing off against a villain. Not to mention, again, there's more to Goku than his fighting attitude. that might be because Caulifla didn't get dropped on her head as a baby. I think
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Nov 9, 2017 16:06
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Goku has black hair, it's like they're twins guys.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I honestly would mind it a lot less if they started out that strong. If the U6 Saiyans already knew about Super Saiyan forms, even Super Saiyan 2, I wouldn't mind it a bit. Goku, the guy who literally hired Hit to see if he could literally kill him, is not cocky. OK dude. The guy who gave Cell a senzu bean because he knew his kid would murder him.
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Caulifla can't be girl Goku She likes girls and Goku doesn't
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Pan went Super Saiyan in utero, Bra was conceived with a God, Marron is nanomachines and Cauli is long goddamn overdue and anyone saying otherwise can suck the poo poo out of my rear end in a top hat, get hosed
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Goku has black hair, it's like they're twins guys. No, she has gold hair and that's why people are upset.
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Kashuno posted:Goku, the guy who literally hired Hit to see if he could literally kill him, is not cocky. OK dude. And that's confidence in someone else, that's hardly being a cocky prick that thinks they're oh-so-powerful.
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ImpAtom posted:I remember the time Vegeta suddenly became a Super Saiyan by crying a lot after he discovered it was a thing, yes. 
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Please. Explain to me how "hiring a guy to see if he can actually kill me" is not a cocky thing to do Goku's hubris as a mortal causing problems has been a recurring thing in Super, if you haven't gathered.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Goku's not that cocky or as much of a prick, it's more like friendly competition with him, unless he's facing off against a villain. Not to mention, again, there's more to Goku than his fighting attitude.
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Kashuno posted:Please. Explain to me how "hiring a guy to see if he can actually kill me" is not a cocky thing to do
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Kashuno posted:Please. Explain to me how "hiring a guy to see if he can actually kill me" is not a cocky thing to do Considering Super's so far been a chronicle of Goku's midlife crisis that could easily be a suicide attempt that has gone tragically unnoticed
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Goku's primary motivation is Good Fights. He's fought Hit before, but knows he can only get the Best Possible Fight out of him if he's trying to kill you because Hit takes his job very seriously. Therefore, the route to getting the Best Possible Fight out of Hit is putting a Hit hit out on himself. I don't really see it as cockiness so much as Goku Logic.
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Goku learned a legendary technique in moments that took the greatest human warrior of all time his entire life to master. Dragon Ball has always been stupid about this.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:It's probably because Jiren was built up to be exceedingly strong before we even met him, while What? The entire point of sayians is that they reach new heights of power by fighting, then resting, then fighting some more. And Cabba bought time for her It's been that way forever. Goku learned and stole everybody's attack after seeing it like once. Goten and Trunks learned how to go SSJ with no help from anyone telling them how to do it. Also keep in mind Caulifla is still so much weaker than Goku or probably anyone Gohan or stronger. Goku was completely messing around just recovering while having a light spar with Caulifla, until Kale who is the actual strong one got seriously involved. That is just Dragonball man.
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The last episode made it very clear that of the 3 (goku, kale, and caulifla) that caulifla is by far the weakest link. Goku and Kale are on a whole different level
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Kashuno posted:The last episode made it very clear that of the 3 (goku, kale, and caulifla) that caulifla is by far the weakest link. Goku and Kale are on a whole different level Whenever you have 3 Saiyans together, somebody has to be The Vegeta.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Whenever you have 3 Saiyans together, somebody has to be The Vegeta. guess that makes Cabba the Raditz/Nappa of this whole relationship
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CharlestonJew posted:guess that makes Cabba the Raditz/Nappa of this whole relationship Cabba is The Piccolo, but the next arc he's involved with will be when he becomes the Raditz/Nappa. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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