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Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Ruzihm posted:

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 7, 2017

National Day for the Victims of Communism

Today, the National Day for the Victims of Communism, marks 100 years since the Bolshevik Revolution took place in Russia. The Bolshevik Revolution gave rise to the Soviet Union and its dark decades of oppressive communism, a political philosophy incompatible with liberty, prosperity, and the dignity of human life.

Over the past century, communist totalitarian regimes around the world have killed more than 100 million people and subjected countless more to exploitation, violence, and untold devastation. These movements, under the false pretense of liberation, systematically robbed innocent people of their God-given rights of free worship, freedom of association, and countless other rights we hold sacrosanct. Citizens yearning for freedom were subjugated by the state through the use of coercion, violence, and fear.

Today, we remember those who have died and all who continue to suffer under communism. In their memory and in honor of the indomitable spirit of those who have fought courageously to spread freedom and opportunity around the world, our Nation reaffirms its steadfast resolve to shine the light of liberty for all who yearn for a brighter, freer future.

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:ussr:

oh my god this is real

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Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Crowsbeak posted:

Are there any good Christian Socialist works you guys could suggest?

the new testament

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Crowsbeak posted:

Are there any good Christian Socialist works you guys could suggest?

Timon of Athens

Fauxbot
Jan 20, 2009

I need more wine.

Crowsbeak posted:

Are there any good Christian Socialist works you guys could suggest?

Christian Socialism by John C. Cort is a history book, could be the sort of grounding you're looking for? It's from 1988 though so you might have to start cruising your local second hand bookshops, etc

If you're interested in libertarian socialism there's also Leo Tolstoy's stuff (yes, THAT Tolstoy) since he was the principal figure of Christian anarchism, might be worth a look in.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Crowsbeak posted:

Are there any good Christian Socialist works you guys could suggest?

socialism is the logical end of christianity so start with marx

Red Dad Redemption
Sep 29, 2007

Crowsbeak posted:

Are there any good Christian Socialist works you guys could suggest?

acts 4:32

eta: not exactly the same but Dorothy Day might be of interest to you

Red Dad Redemption fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Nov 8, 2017

tapine
Sep 3, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Better yet abandon Christianity because insofar as it actually influences your worldview it poisons it

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo
reject the god of the monotheists, for he is none other than the demon-king surtr

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
i am looking for the bordiga minion tweet. please help me in my quest

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/OliverCarle/status/927044320980451328

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

:negative:

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



dam

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Didn't know Posadism had such a presence in the USSR

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
found the image i was looking for no thanks to you opportunist assholes

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
I devote the first twelve chapters of Trotsky’s ‘Amalgams’ to a careful verification of
many of the statements by the Moscow Trials defendants. I found that, whenever we can
double-check a fact-claim made by a Moscow Trials defendant against independent
evidence now available, it turns out that the Moscow Trials defendant was telling the
truth.
107
Trotsky, Khrushchev and his men, Cold-War Soviet “experts,” Gorbachev and his men,
and today’s academic scholars in Soviet studies, all claimed or claim that the Trials are
frame-ups. I prove from the evidence that they are wrong. The Moscow Trials testimony
is what it claims to be: statements that the defendants chose to make. I verify this with a
great deal of evidence from outside the Trials themselves and even outside the Soviet
Union.

This is an important conclusion. This result in itself disproves the “anti-Stalin paradigm”
of Soviet history. It also contributes to disproving Trotsky’s version of Soviet history, a
version that the Trotskyist movement worldwide continues to believe and to propagate
today.
Those of us -- researchers, activists, and others -- who wish to find the truth about Soviet
history of the Stalin period, and not merely attempt to confirm our preconceived ideas
about it – we are in possession of a number of results that completely overturn the
convention anti-Stalin paradigm of Soviet history. These include the following:
* the fact that Nikita Khrushchev lied about every accusation he made against Stalin (and
Lavrentii Beria) in his world-shaking “Secret Speech” to the XX Party Congress of the
CPSU in February 1956. This clearly means that Khrushchev’s researchers could not find
any true “crimes” that Stalin – or Beria – had committed, and so were reduced to
fabrication.
* the fact that, despite a very thorough and time-consuming search of the archives in
1962-1964, Khrushchev’s “Shvernik Commission” could find no evidence at all to
suggest that either the Moscow Trials defendants or the “Tukhachevsky Affair”
defendants were victims of a “frame-up” or had lied in their confessions in any way.
* the fact that neither Gorbachev’s and Eltsin’s researchers, nor the anticommunist
researchers since that time, who have had wide access to the former Soviet archives, have
been able to find any evidence at all to challenge the conclusions in the Kirov
Assassination, the Moscow Trials, or the Military Purges.
* the fact that the testimony at the Moscow Trials was, in the main, truthful.
* the fact that Ezhov and Ezhov alone, not Stalin and his supporters in the Soviet
leadership, were responsible for the mass murders of July 1938 to November 1939 known
to scholars as the “Ezhovshchina” and to anticommunist propagandists as “the Great
Terror.”
* the fact that, in his writings about the USSR during the period after the Kirov murder,
Trotsky lied repeatedly in order to cover up his conspiracies.
108
* the fact that most of today’s scholars of the Stalin period in the USSR lie in order to
deceive their readers. But they do so in a way that can only be discovered by a very close,
detailed study of their sources.
Trotskyist scholarship is consistently parasitical on mainstream anticommunist
scholarship. Here is one example. In a recent review on the Trotskyist, and ferociously
anti-Stalin World Socialist Web Site (wsws.org) of Princeton University historian
Stephen Kotkin’s book Stalin, a Trotskyist reviewer refers approvingly to the anti-Stalin
statements of Oleg Khlevniuk, who is called

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Ruzihm posted:

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 7, 2017

National Day for the Victims of Communism

...

These movements, under the false pretense of liberation,

incidentally Amilcar Cabral's The Weapon of Theory is really drat good, recommended to everybody

e: also relevant:

https://twitter.com/chadwickboseman/status/928084712194760704

quote:

You spent a lot of time thinking about how the king of an advanced African nation speaks, specifically your accent, your intonation. Tell us about it.

Boseman: People think about how race has affected the world. It's not just in the States. Colonialism is the cousin of slavery. Colonialism in Africa would have it that, in order to be a ruler, his education comes from Europe. I wanted to be completely sure that we didn't convey that idea because that would be counter to everything that Wakanda is about. It's supposed to be the most technologically advanced nation on the planet. If it's supposed to not have been conquered -- which means that advancement has happened without colonialism tainting it, poisoning the well of it, without stopping it or disrupting it -- then there's no way he would speak with a European accent.

If I did that, I would be conveying a white supremacist idea of what being educated is and what being royal or presidential is. Because it's not just about him running around fighting. He's the ruler of a nation. And if he's the ruler of a nation, he has to speak to his people. He has to galvanize his people. And there's no way I could speak to my people, who have never been conquered by Europeans, with a European voice.

also good as hell

Aeolius fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Nov 9, 2017

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
“Then I fight my evil brother who speaks in AAEV ontop of a laser car”

Spime Wrangler
Feb 23, 2003

Because we can.


oof

and to think we built an elon "Zero Gravitas" musk instead

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Work Friend Keven posted:

“Then I fight my evil brother who speaks in AAEV ontop of a laser car”

Fighting the end result of colonialism and laser cars both sound dope tho

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Pro-Soviet movies produced by Hollywood during World War II go so fucken hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVjcBetz9k&t=6201s

(The director, Lewis Milestone, was later blacklisted.)

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Nov 10, 2017

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
i finished reading anthony beaver's "Berlin" about fall of berlin 1945

tl;dr lots and lots of rapes even german communist's wives and daughters got raped

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010

Typo posted:

i finished reading anthony beaver's "Berlin" about fall of berlin 1945

tl;dr lots and lots of rapes even german communist's wives and daughters got raped

ah yes the "japanese soldiers praticed institutionalized cannibalism" guy.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Impermanent posted:

ah yes the "japanese soldiers praticed institutionalized cannibalism" guy.

idk about the cannbalism thing cuz i never read up on it but it is 100% true the red army raped literally millions of women in parts of germany they conquered

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
That poo poo's inevitable in warfare it's why wars bad

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Dreddout posted:

That poo poo's inevitable in warfare it's why wars bad

lol wow

no it's not

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Typo posted:

lol wow

no it's not

Name one occuptational force that didn't engage in sexual exploitation of the populace.

You loving can't

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Dreddout posted:

Name one occuptational force that didn't engage in sexual exploitation of the populace.

You loving can't

there is absolutely no difference in scale

a few hundred rapes and a few million rapes on all the same

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
100% guaranteed Dreddout would be screaming about how this is capitalist injustice if the rapists wasn't communists

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Typo posted:

there is absolutely no difference in scale

a few hundred rapes and a few million rapes on all the same

It's about scale of occupation in that sense.

Also try thousands of rapes in the Pacific theater among a much smaller army and time scale.

Typo posted:

100% guaranteed Dreddout would be screaming about how this is capitalist injustice if the rapists wasn't communists

Nah, I just don't think warcrimes can be separated from warfare. At all.

If you're gonna do a war, particularly a total war, you are signing off on civilian casualties and massacres. End of story.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Goebbels-made myth. Next.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Lmao at the idea of trying to tell Zhukov to give his army anti oppression training, it just ain't gonna happen

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Typo posted:

there is absolutely no difference in scale

a few hundred rapes and a few million rapes on all the same

What goddamn theatre in WW2 do you think had only a few hundred rapes, bud?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
War crimes can be prevented or at least be made less likely to happen but the Red Army in 1945 was a katamari ball of city-flattening destruction and was heading right into Germany. The Eastern Front sucked world historical amounts of poo poo.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Cerebral Bore posted:

What goddamn theatre in WW2 do you think had only a few hundred rapes, bud?

which other theater had 2 million rapes in the space of a few month or even come close to that?

closest I can think of is rape of nanking

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

War crimes can be prevented or at least made less likely to happen but the Red Army in 1945 was a katamari ball of city-flattening destruction and was heading right into Germany. The Eastern Front sucked world historical amounts of poo poo.

the issue wasn't collateral damage though, the issue was that red army officers were unwilling to discipline their soldiers to not rape

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Dreddout posted:

It's about scale of occupation in that sense.

Also try thousands of rapes in the Pacific theater among a much smaller army and time scale.


Nah, I just don't think warcrimes can be separated from warfare. At all.

If you're gonna do a war, particularly a total war, you are signing off on civilian casualties and massacres. End of story.

take everything you said and apply it to the rape of nanking lol

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Dreddout posted:

Lmao at the idea of trying to tell Zhukov to give his army anti oppression training, it just ain't gonna happen

if this is germany 1945 i bet dreddout would be one of those german communist cucks who welcome the red army into his house and then they rape his wife and daughter

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Typo posted:

which other theater had 2 million rapes in the space of a few month or even come close to that?

closest I can think of is rape of nanking

Answer the question, pal.

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Typo posted:

the issue wasn't collateral damage though, the issue was that red army officers were unwilling to discipline their soldiers to not rape

It's almost like military officers are by and large bad people who don't give a poo poo about civilians

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