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MonsterEnvy posted:I doubt Second Form Cell was 4 or 5 times stronger then his first form. So no I think various uses of the Kaioken on Piccolo would let him beat that too. Goku was popping off KKx20 and KKx50 on Namek at will, according to source books. If Piccolo could do the same, I don't think any of Cell's pre-Super Perfect forms would have held up.
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Kurui Reiten posted:Goku was popping off KKx20 and KKx50 on Namek at will, according to source books. If Piccolo could do the same, I don't think any of Cell's pre-Super Perfect forms would have held up. When did he do x50? I feel like I remember him saying that the one burst he hit Freeza with that was actually big enough to hurt him a little bit was just a x20, and that was the best shot he had in him before the Spirit Bomb and Super Saiyan.
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Piccolo could've pulled Kaioken x1,000 and he still would've lost because Toriyama needed him to lose to show off Imperfect Cell's new strength.
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Spiritus Nox posted:When did he do x50? I feel like I remember him saying that the one burst he hit Freeza with that was actually big enough to hurt him a little bit was just a x20, and that was the best shot he had in him before the Spirit Bomb and Super Saiyan. He did it times twenty that one time he put a big ding on Frieza. However, I think Super Saiyan is supposed to be a x50 multiplier on your power level, so that's probably where that figure was coming from.
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Spiritus Nox posted:When did he do x50? I feel like I remember him saying that the one burst he hit Freeza with that was actually big enough to hurt him a little bit was just a x20, and that was the best shot he had in him before the Spirit Bomb and Super Saiyan. he does say that in kai. idk if it's the same in the manga off the top of my head or if the original dub was different (kai has vegeta say goku's power level is above 8000 instead of 9000, for example)
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Spiritus Nox posted:When did he do x50? I feel like I remember him saying that the one burst he hit Freeza with that was actually big enough to hurt him a little bit was just a x20, and that was the best shot he had in him before the Spirit Bomb and Super Saiyan. It would appear further research says I'm incorrect, and he was using KKx10 and KKx20 against Frieza. My bad, sorry.
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The only multipliers the Kaio-ken has ever shown are x2 (base), x3 (against Vegeta), x4 (Galick Gun/Kamehameha clash), x10 (most of Namek, vs Hit, vs Jiren), x20 (one Kamehameha against Freeza, vs Jiren) and x100 (Lord Slug). x50 was never used.
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Nov 23, 2017 05:27
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Ekusukariba posted:
To be fair everyone rushed them but Vegeta and Frieza are most of those.
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Still pretty  about Universe 10. Gowasu deserved better.
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TrilliontonNixon posted:Still pretty Should have grabbed a time ring and hosed off to a parallel universe. He knew what he was getting into.
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I feel like the worst thing about this tournament is that basically anybody who isn't u7 seems like all they've been doing the whole time is just standing around with their thumbs up their asses [and a fair chunk of the u7 team,] like all the other universes combined have about half the wins of u7. Like maybe Dr. Rota could've beat some mooks off-screen from u3 or u11 or whatever, but nope.
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Slightly Absurd posted:I feel like the worst thing about this tournament is that basically anybody who isn't u7 seems like all they've been doing the whole time is just standing around with their thumbs up their asses [and a fair chunk of the u7 team,] like all the other universes combined have about half the wins of u7. Like maybe Dr. Rota could've beat some mooks off-screen from u3 or u11 or whatever, but nope. It's good to be born a saiyan.
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Stairmaster posted:Alternative explanation ui is Goku becoming kenshiro which is why no one can beat him when he's in that form yeah its this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddo9pn705iI its got afterimages, an iconic vocal track, Kenshiro using other peoples techniques, everything Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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SirKibbles posted:To be fair everyone rushed them but Vegeta and Frieza are most of those. Well at a certain point it becomes clear you have to go after U7 or you're just delaying the inevitable. Arc does kind of suck if you want to see anyone else do well though.
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We long since passed the period where anyone else other than Horror Show universe, U6 and U11 were not going to be the key players in the field and any other universe was going to last so long as they had a role to fill or had an actual character that they wanted to use. Ribrianne's probably the sole reason U2 is still around, I have no idea if they'll ever let U3 combine into a giant robot for Big Piccolo to Kaiju fight (probably not) and gently caress Universe 4 for being so goddamn boring! I was promised scheming rat hijinks and that fucker got chumped by Frieza actually playing the field and betraying other teams!
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I just wish they would fight the Grand Priest already. Jeez come on he is standing right there. Stop wasting my time with this drat tournament, I know they are going to fight him eventually, lets just get on with it!
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Nov 23, 2017 14:00
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Frieza is going to get resurrected so they can make neko majin z canon
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Freeza wins the wish and...wins everyone back. But in one universe. Then they resurrect him as per their agreement, wait for him to immediately start poo poo and...he just leaves. Because he now has several universes worth of galaxies to conquer all over again, and he wants to get back to the basics. No more monkies, no more super sandwiches. Just genocide and tyranny on the other side of the universe. Good End.
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I'm just worried Frieza is going to try something really loving stupid and over his head, like trying to attack the Grand Priest, or Zeno. I dunno why, it's just a feeling that's nagging at me.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I'm just worried Frieza is going to try something really loving stupid and over his head, like trying to attack the Grand Priest, or Zeno. I dunno why, it's just a feeling that's nagging at me. It's because the idea of Freeza allowing himself to be second to anyone is so against his character That was my biggest problem with RoF- Freeza didn't even consider doing something to Beerus
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Burkion posted:It's because the idea of Freeza allowing himself to be second to anyone is so against his character Beerus being present in RoF was a sudden, nasty surprise to Freeza; he discovered that Beerus was watching while in the middle of punching Goku and at that point he was primarily interested in Beerus not intervening. He still had a lot of Saiyan rear end to kick before thinking about doing anything to Beerus would even approach the table.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I'm just worried Frieza is going to try something really loving stupid and over his head, like trying to attack the Grand Priest, or Zeno. I dunno why, it's just a feeling that's nagging at me. But this arc seems to be about each of the universe 7 characters overcoming their deepest flaws. Roshi overcomes his perversion and uses it to power up, Goku is always letting his guard down so he gets Ultra Instinct, Gohan put away his jogging outfit, etc. For Freeza that's his arrogance and impatience. He has been killed three times now because of his arrogance and impatience, but his time in hell has made him reflect on his errors and become a better villain. Freeza is not going to do something rash like Frost.
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Rutibex posted:But this arc seems to be about each of the universe 7 characters overcoming their deepest flaws. Roshi overcomes his perversion and uses it to power up, Goku is always letting his guard down so he gets Ultra Instinct, Gohan put away his jogging outfit, etc. For Freeza that's his arrogance and impatience. What about Tien? he seems to have just developed more flaws
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The flaws they set up for Krillin also didn't matter at all, since he didn't fight anyone scary or particularly strong.
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Ekusukariba posted:What about Tien? he seems to have just developed more flaws Rutibex posted:But this arc seems to be about each of the important universe 7 characters overcoming their deepest flaws. FTFY
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Ekusukariba posted:What about Tien? he seems to have just developed more flaws Tien is not finished yet. There is one Tien clone left in the arena, hiding and waiting to make his move.
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Nien.
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This animes freaking great fellas. Vegeta & Freeza stomping around throwing everyone over the top rope, Andrew 17 interrupting a power up, Mister Roshi beating up a bunch of space guys etc. This is classic, no holds barred, real old fashioned anime.
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Rutibex posted:Tien is not finished yet. There is one Tien clone left in the arena, hiding and waiting to make his move. this is my headcanon too
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They really should have brought Yamcha, he could have used Wolf fang fist against a wolfman and no one would have complained about how he was knocked out because you know 'Yamcha'
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Stairmaster posted:yamcha would have ended up fighting jiren somehow "How on earth did you end up fighting the strongest person in the tournament?" "I drew him in the first round!" "There aren't rounds!"
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Stairmaster posted:Frieza is going to get resurrected so they can make neko majin z canon Kuriza needs to be in something. The idea of Freeza's pointy headed failson running around is too funny to pass up.
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TrilliontonNixon posted:Kuriza needs to be in something. The idea of Freeza's pointy headed failson running around is too funny to pass up. Episode 120: A Tough Nut to Crack! Gotenks vs. Kuriza!
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Agoat posted:Do we have updated scorecards per fighter for ToP?
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People were talking about how Vegeta and Frieza were the ones cleaning house, but looking at the chart... there's only one other universe that has as high a total as Roshi racked up solo. Say what you will about upper management, when Universe 7 needs psychotic punchman fight monsters, they get 'em.
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chiasaur11 posted:People were talking about how Vegeta and Frieza were the ones cleaning house, but looking at the chart... A lack of Gods have only prompted the creation of mortal gods
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