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Manatee Cannon posted:the biggest swerve they could pull with freeza is to make him totally legit in his promise with goku Did he even really promise anything? I remember the agreement was just that he'd fight on their team, and Goku would wish him back. He didn't say anything about what would happen afterwards.
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the actual most squandered character are literally all of these amazing characters and ideas who get to split a single 23 minute episode with another amazing character before unceremoniously dying. This entire arc, now more then ever, just feels like wasted potential; all these cool ideas are coming out now and they get 1 episode to show off before being destroyed. they should have just have universe v universe tournaments in a format like the first 6v7 tournament instead of this battle royal.
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building up a character for the entire series and then throwing him away in the eleventh hour is way worse than fake killing new characters when they're obviously gonna get revived anywayMomomo posted:Did he even really promise anything? I remember the agreement was just that he'd fight on their team, and Goku would wish him back. He didn't say anything about what would happen afterwards. yea you're right. I just meant him not betraying them
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U6 and U2's erasure was strangely upbeat, compared to how heavy and tragic they played it with U9 and 10. Swear to god though, I thought Beerus was about to start crying at the end.
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Holy poo poo tUniverse 2 live broadcasted the Tournament of Power? Goddamn that is depressing as hell to think about, watching the advent of your own universe's undoing in real time.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:The two worst Universes are gone and I could barely enjoy it because the odd atmosphere the episode had. Neither team seemed to really give a poo poo that they were being erased from existence. The writers could at least pretend like these erasures are permanent. If you're gonna go you may as well go being happy. Not like freaking out is going to do anything about it. They probably came to terms with that already after seeing 2 other universes erased.
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Manatee Cannon posted:building up a character for the entire series and then throwing him away in the eleventh hour is way worse than fake killing new characters when they're obviously gonna get revived anyway It's not like they're going to come back for more fights; this was them showing off how cool they are and the end result was 'man I wish there was more but I know there aren't gonna be.'
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dr rota or pepsiman getting knocked out is squandered potential on the level of monster carrot never being mentioned again
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Saagonsa posted:If you're gonna go you may as well go being happy. Not like freaking out is going to do anything about it. They probably came to terms with that already.
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Stallion Cabana posted:It's not like they're going to come back for more fights; this was them showing off how cool they are and the end result was 'man I wish there was more but I know there aren't gonna be.' If you don't think at the very least u6 will ever be relevant again you're just horribly wrong.
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They'll all be back for the omniversal baseball koshien arc.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I don't know how many people can just be okay with being erased. No heaven, no hell, just cessation of existence. Either way, the writers are pretty much just telling us that these erasures don't matter and the ToP has no tension. So why should we care? Why would you care about anything in dragonball at this point? Like, unless you're incredibly stupid there's really no other way imaginable that this ends.
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It wasn't as show stopping as Kefla but the Namekians got a pretty awesome highlight. Reaching out of the Kamehameha to kick Gohan's rear end was the coolest thing in the episode.
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Manatee Cannon posted:yea you're right. I just meant him not betraying them
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I don't know how many people can just be okay with being erased. No heaven, no hell, just cessation of existence. Either way, the writers are pretty much just telling us that these erasures don't matter and the ToP has no tension. So why should we care? Do you know what show you are watching? I think you don't know what show you are watching
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I don't know how many people can just be okay with being erased. No heaven, no hell, just cessation of existence. Either way, the writers are pretty much just telling us that these erasures don't matter and the ToP has no tension. So why should we care? they way they acted was in character for those characters especially u6 because they've had goku and vegeta both directly state and imply that they're gonna bring them back with the super dragon balls
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lezard_valeth posted:Do you know what show you are watching? I think you don't know what show you are watching
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Ekusukariba posted:the newly revived Freeza will have to live at Kame house due to no longer having a galactic empire, slice of life episodes follow Someone needs to babysit Bra.
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Saagonsa posted:If you don't think at the very least u6 will ever be relevant again you're just horribly wrong. I'm not worried about Saiyans.
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:The two worst Universes are gone and I could barely enjoy it because the odd atmosphere the episode had. Neither team seemed to really give a poo poo that they were being erased from existence. The writers could at least pretend like these erasures are permanent. If you are going to go, go on your terms. devolving into tears and sadness doesn't help. Continuing to be yourself to the end is the message. I thought it was really great the way they decided to go out.
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This episode was really great and now I'm sad. I was not expecting these guys to put up such a good fight, they were just glorified extras up until now. TheGamerGuy23 posted:I don't know how many people can just be okay with being erased. No heaven, no hell, just cessation of existence. Either way, the writers are pretty much just telling us that these erasures don't matter and the ToP has no tension. So why should we care? I'd really really rather not link to tvtropes, but apparently obvious things need to be explained in tedious painstaking detail here. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoOutWithASmile
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:Well I guess I can excuse bad writing then, fair enough. Complaining about death not being taken serious and dramatically in Dragon Ball is the equivalent to, for example, complaining that the angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion are brainless monsters of the week. In both cases, it was never what the show was about.
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like you engage with pop culture enough to have paid real life money to post on an internet forum but somehow this is the first time you've seen characters in a show do the "well we're gonna die so might as well be happy for the time we have left" thing?
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Seriously, that choked me up even more how u2 and u6 decided to go out. Like how U2 went out I"m like ok I dislike Ribranne and them less now, and it's not because they are dead. It's like as someone said, they broadcasted the TOP to their Universe. That's gotta take some balls as other universes are probably unaware of poo poo right now. Champa being a smug poo poo til the end is so like him. Shindragon fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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Yeah, the idea was clearly that Universe 2 faced their end with (for them) dignity and grace. It is why Android 18 and 17 were like "huh, at the end, they managed to be cool."
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That episode singlehandedly redeemed U2. The TOP would have been so much better if more of the non-main teams got moments like that. The U6 Namekians finally getting the spotlight with a sweet fight was great, and the reveal (while very predictable) was handled well too. This episode was just really well done in general. We finally got multiple extended team fights involving the secondary characters. I would have liked this arc a lot more if we got episodes like this instead of everything being a Goku episode or Generic Jobber of the Week.
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Dead honest I think that might actually be the best episode of Super. At least if you're not counting that Pan episode with Goku recovering from SSB Kaioken.
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BurningDance posted:Father-Son Special Beam Kamehameha was pretty rad. 
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That music that started playing after Gohan saved Piccolo/when the U2 dudes made that black hole heart was pretty sick.
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The Nail and Kami flashback was cool as hell too. Also whoever said the U6 Namekians absorbed all of their kind to fight was right. Fantastic episode all around.
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lezard_valeth posted:Complaining about death not being taken serious and dramatically in Dragon Ball is the equivalent to, for example, complaining that the angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion are brainless monsters of the week. In both cases, it was never what the show was about. It's more like complaining that Swiper never got a good shot at Dora.
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Crabtree posted:Holy poo poo tUniverse 2 live broadcasted the Tournament of Power? Goddamn that is depressing as hell to think about, watching the advent of your own universe's undoing in real time.  I didn't think this could be any more humiliating and then it turns out everyone in her universe got to watch it happen live. Might take a while to live that one down.
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that was a really good episode. honestly, it feels like dragonball super might be at it's high point right now. whatever comes next will have a hard time being more fun and interesting than this, and the rapid-fire cool concepts we're seeing like these namekians and the black hole attack will be hard to top if they just go back to the badguys who are Really Strong. i hope Jiren has some interesting stuff going on once he's actually challenged and isn't just another big strong dude
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Man, now I really wish the U6 Namekians got more of a showing. They single-handedly became my favorite characters in U6.
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Hit will always be my main man from U6, but the Namekians were still cool.
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