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the no whole flight rule seems like a letdown as well. the fights don't look very different.
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I'm tired of the fight choreography with the same shots of people punching air or each other repeatedly. It's such a step down from DB and Z. GT did the same thing.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:17
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I cannot imagine being so insanely blinded by nostalgia to think that they didn't do that in literally every single fight of Z.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:21
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Y'all, Frieza is going to play the tournament straight. It is entirely in his best interests to do so, so he will. Goku, like an idiot, will get suckered into believing him, and will keep his promise. THEN Frieza gonna do some evil poo poo. Like use the Hakai energy he saved the entire time on Goku.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:25
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Manatee Cannon posted:I disagree, he's really only fought hit, goku, freeza, and gohan and he's held his own against all of them. I feel like his introduction before the tournament is the only reason people feel this way Oh he's clearly fairly strong, but in terms of personality he's been largely the same cocky "you can't beat my gimmick  " sort of character almost everyone this arc has been. His gimmick also doesn't lend itself well to very interesting fights, at least not with these animators.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:26
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EVGA Longoria posted:Y'all, Frieza is going to play the tournament straight. It is entirely in his best interests to do so, so he will. What if he uses it on Bulma because he's pretty sure it won't really work on Goku or Vegeta
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Jan 21, 2018 23:36
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Not gonna lie, way too soon.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:49
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it's fine
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Jan 21, 2018 23:49
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RBX posted:I'm tired of the fight choreography with the same shots of people punching air or each other repeatedly. It's such a step down from DB and Z. GT did the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2czv2lB-0U there are episodes with good choreography and ones with bad choreography, just like in DB and DBZ
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Jan 21, 2018 23:51
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tbh nothing has come close to the choreography of the TV special, going from Jiren's portrayal in that to Frieza v2 in the finale has been disappointing to say the least
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Jan 22, 2018 00:03
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well that's just to be expected. they had to have sunk a lot more time, money, and effort into that than anything before or after it you want weirdly disappointing animation then you should go watch the dark tournament arc of yu yu hakusho because I cannot comprehend how they spent their budget there. there's like 2 episodes that look good in the whole arc and they're not even important ones
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Jan 22, 2018 00:08
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RevolverDivider posted:I cannot imagine being so insanely blinded by nostalgia to think that they didn't do that in literally every single fight of Z. The last few weeks every episode not involving Jiren vs Goku has had the repeated animation and even then when they fight its short as gently caress. Z handled that way better. You can go look yourself. It's ok to admit Super isn't perfect.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:10
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 Spoilers for Fighterz in this link, but it's too funny not to post.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_JX-kqrp1Y
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Jan 22, 2018 00:12
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Man, Goku’s a lovely friend.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:14
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multijoe posted:tbh nothing has come close to the choreography of the TV special Kefla and Kale tag-teaming against Goku Ultra Instinct Goku vs Kefla Gohan and Piccolo vs the Namekians
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Jan 22, 2018 00:20
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At this point making Yamcha jokes is just low-hanging fruit.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:23
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RBX posted:The last few weeks every episode not involving Jiren vs Goku has had the repeated animation and even then when they fight its short as gently caress. Z handled that way better. You can go look yourself. It's ok to admit Super isn't perfect. You should go watch DBZ yourself. It was worse there because fights in the ToP are one episode each for the most part while DBZ would stretch fights over multiple episodes and often recycle that animation over multiple episodes. Hell, Youtube has examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w94mrh4I7Ns Try watching, for example, everyone fighting Goku in Ginyu's body if you want to see them recycle the same animation OVER and OVER and OVER in the same episode. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Jan 22, 2018 00:25
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Everyone remembers the punch Android 17 landed on Piccolo and is like “drat that fight was amazing why can’t more fights in Super be as well done as the ones in Z without remembering the first 20 seconds is air punch/dodge, and 25 seconds is literally the piccolo and 17 punching each other repeating the same punching frames at least twice
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Jan 22, 2018 00:27
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Z absolutely did 'two characters trading blows' better, I don't think that's controversial to say.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:27
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the version of DBZ that was dedicated to "trimming the fat" was just barely over half the length compared to the original. It was awful.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:30
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Yeah i'm not saying "DBZ never reused animation" i'm saying "It did it better and not as blatantly" more often than not.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:30
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Augus posted:Kefla and Kale tag-teaming against Goku The Kefla finale was fab but TV special was in a league of its own. I appreciate the budget elevated that above what can normally be expected from a weekly show too, but going from 'Jiren destroys Goku coming at him 100% in 90 seconds of airtime' to 'Uh, they do another dragged out punch rush at Jiren? Maybe he no-sells a kai attack for the tenth time??' is still really lame. Has he forgotten he go do that eye flash thing to punch faster than mortal perception and drop a dude like that?
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Jan 22, 2018 00:31
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you guys are benefitting from hindsight where you can remember all the best parts and ignore or forget about all the awful poo poo from the originals while with Super you have to take what you get each week like, there were entire episodes where literally nothing happened
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Jan 22, 2018 00:32
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RBX posted:Yeah i'm not saying "DBZ never reused animation" i'm saying "It did it better and not as blatantly" more often than not. And I'm saying you're blinded by nostagia. Dragonball Z has a ton of that, especially in the pre-kai version where they had to pad out episode lengths to absurd degrees. If you didn't notice the reused animation near constantly then I don't know what to say.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:33
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Seriously stop thinking about the highest highs of z vs the lows of super. It’s dumb
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Jan 22, 2018 00:34
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gently caress go watch a power up sequence that reuses the same frames for actual MINUTES
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Jan 22, 2018 00:35
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Augus posted:you guys are benefitting from hindsight where you can remember all the best parts and ignore or forget about all the awful poo poo from the originals while with Super you have to take what you get each week I've watched kai since super started and it really does look better with better fights a lot of the time. it wasn't until this arc that super had anything that overtook kai and that's pretty much all from the special on original dbz is another story tho
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Jan 22, 2018 00:35
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Manatee Cannon posted:I've watched kai since super started and it really does look better with better fights a lot of the time. it wasn't until this arc that super had anything that overtook kai and that's pretty much all from the special on It sure is easy to compare positively when you take the version that removed all the bad it could, and even there some of the really terrible animation is still there.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:38
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Manatee Cannon posted:I've watched kai since super started and it really does look better with better fights a lot of the time. it wasn't until this arc that super had anything that overtook kai and that's pretty much all from the special on Yes surprise surprise the version of a show that was edited a decade later with the explicit goal of editing out all the hours upon hours of bad poo poo has less bad poo poo. This is a fair and sensible comparison to make. 
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Jan 22, 2018 00:38
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It is galling when watching something like Super when the quality of animation swings wildly to both extremes. The last two episodes weren't very impressive (though this one was better than the previous one) and I'm hoping they're going to pull out all the stops for the final stretch.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:40
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Ok watch this nothing fight between Cell and 16 where nothing is repeated and they dont just rush each other with the dumb back and forth punches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrQmAUbcfg Then watch this fight where the entire thing is them doing the dumb loving punch stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7_C64shOuk
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Jan 22, 2018 00:42
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I'm busy watching you cherrypick like crazy and be blind as gently caress.
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Augus posted:Yes surprise surprise the version of a show that was edited a decade later with the explicit goal of editing out all the hours upon hours of bad poo poo has less bad poo poo. I mean, it is? even edited down, kai has a lot of fluff and reused animation from a show that ended 20 years before super even began and off model original dbz looked better than super did when it first started so 
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RBX posted:Ok watch this nothing fight between Cell and 16 where nothing is repeated and they dont just rush each other with the dumb back and forth punches Now post clips of Frieza and Goku fighting for six years.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:46
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RBX posted:Ok watch this nothing fight between Cell and 16 where nothing is repeated and they dont just rush each other with the dumb back and forth punches dude Z was loving awful for filler, let this one go
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Jan 22, 2018 00:46
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RBX posted:Ok watch this nothing fight between Cell and 16 where nothing is repeated and they dont just rush each other with the dumb back and forth punches No offense, but I'm watching the Cell/16 fight and they actually are doing the back and forth punches thing with the animation on a repeating loop. It's still good I'm just saying.
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TrilliontonNixon posted:
Lol what the gently caress Goku, at least pretend to go to bat for your boy
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Jan 22, 2018 00:47
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RBX posted:Ok watch this nothing fight between Cell and 16 where nothing is repeated and they dont just rush each other with the dumb back and forth punches You mean the cherry picked fight you chose which still features a ton of recycled punching animation despite being one of the shorter fights in the series in all versions? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WJ0w_7WvvQ Here, here's Captain Ginyu in Goku's body vs Gohan and Krillin. Feel free to count how much recycled animation there is in this short fight alone. Not "well it still looks better" because that isn't your point.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:48
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Here's a nothing fight where Goku and Trunks fight Zamasu and Black https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=misXwOe57ZU this could go back and forth until the heat death of the universe, it's dumb and you should stop Manatee Cannon posted:and off model original dbz looked better than super did when it first started so literally nobody is defending episode 5 of super nor will anybody Augus fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Kashuno posted:Seriously stop thinking about the highest highs of z vs the lows of super. It’s dumb Frieza_hand.png
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