|
J_RBG posted:Wait no way did the guy who wrote Gödel Escher Bach, the book that came recommended to me by the guy who was really into Inception, translate Eugene Onegin he did so before learning any russian, as well Forktoss posted:I tried reading Hofstadter's Le Ton beau de Marot because scrutinising a hundred different translations of a dumb poem made according to ridiculous self-imposed rules is extremely my thing, but it read like it was written by that seems like a pretty accurate reading to me. i think i've talked about it before, but i have sort of complicated feelings about that book in that it's not necessarily very useful as a book about translation, but it's mentally sort of sticky enough that i think about it a lot. it's like outsider art, i guess is how i rationalize it.
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2018 16:54
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 02:53 |
|
|
Anyone read Belladonna by Croatian author Dasa Drndic? loving cool book. About guilt for nazi crimes and trauma and stuff. That guy who's afraid of fascism would probably like it
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2018 03:45
|
|
|
I think he got really mad at us and left the thread for good
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2018 04:02
|
|
|
How readable is the Croatian?
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2018 10:42
|
|
|
I guess it depends on your familiarity with the croatian language
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2018 12:24
|
|
|
DisDisDis posted:How readable is the Croatian? It's translated into English
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2018 17:31
|
|
|
I'm reading Spring Snow now, Kiyoaki is a fuckboy
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2018 23:35
|
|
|
DisDisDis posted:I'm reading Spring Snow now, Kiyoaki is a fuckboy He becomes rad as hell next book
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 00:15
|
|
|
Ok, so I’m about halfway through Pale Fire, my first Nabokov, and it loving rules. I am all about the “narcissistic and probably crazy man talking about his dead friend” genre. It’s pretty funny too, which I was not expecting going in.
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 00:45
|
|
|
Yeah I'm really excited for Runaway Horses since killing politicians is cool as hell
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 05:22
|
|
|
Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:Ok, so I’m about halfway through Pale Fire, my first Nabokov, and it loving rules. I am all about the “narcissistic and probably crazy man talking about his dead friend” genre. It’s pretty funny too, which I was not expecting going in. 'narcissistic and probably crazy man trying to convince the reader that the central poem is about him and not the author's dead daughter' is A+ stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 08:31
|
|
|
DisDisDis posted:I'm reading Spring Snow now, Kiyoaki is a fuckboy Mishima always makes his good characters really hard to sympathize with and his bad characters (like Honda) unintentionally likable. Most of his antagonists are elements of how he perceived himself (as soft, flabby, spiritually weak etc...) and the protagonists are just abstract opposites of that, basically walking statues and evil supermen. Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jan 20, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 09:29
|
|
|
Ive started The Sirens of Titan as I always read a vonnegut in January for some reason
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 12:35
|
|
|
Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:It’s pretty funny too, which I was not expecting going in. Same, it was the best part. Even the poem was witty and amusing, which I also didn't expect By the way, there was a really obvious part in the commentary where Kinbote is even more unreliable a narrator than usual, where he describes a [hot teenage] guy's swimsuit in a different way every time he mentions it. Were there others that I missed?
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 14:13
|
|
|
Laszlo k real good
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 18:19
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:Laszlo k real good he's
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 18:21
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:Laszlo k real good Yes
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 19:48
|
|
|
I brought Satantango with me on this retreat and it turns out we are sharing the campground with a youth bible study and at first I felt sheepish but now find my choice of reading material to be revolutionary
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2018 20:56
|
|
|
Shibawanko posted:Mishima always makes his good characters really hard to sympathize with and his bad characters (like Honda) unintentionally likable. I actually like Kiyoaki a lot so far. I just mean like, he really is a teen (which is good) Honestly I thought he was kind of bearing a lot of things Mishima didn't like (he's effeminate, he's the first real fop noble of his family disconnected from their samurai heritage) while also being the mouthpiece for his beautiful fatalism stuff. I read a tiny bit of Confessions of a Mask the other day and he seems to mirror a lot of what Mishima says about his own early childhood in that. (well, I'm assuming its sort of a fictionalized autobiography but maybe I'm wrong)
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2018 02:16
|
|
|
DisDisDis posted:I actually like Kiyoaki a lot so far. I just mean like, he really is a teen (which is good) Honestly I thought he was kind of bearing a lot of things Mishima didn't like (he's effeminate, he's the first real fop noble of his family disconnected from their samurai heritage) while also being the mouthpiece for his beautiful fatalism stuff. I read a tiny bit of Confessions of a Mask the other day and he seems to mirror a lot of what Mishima says about his own early childhood in that. (well, I'm assuming its sort of a fictionalized autobiography but maybe I'm wrong) Well what I talked about is most obvious in Forbidden Colors, Yuichi is just not a believable character, he's just the opposite of Shunsuke, a dirty old man of the kind you find a lot of in Japan but who's at least kind of human. Most of the ideal statuesque guys seem a bit like stage personas rather than people, this is a weakness that gets less over time and in Sea of Fertility it's definitely a little better, but I usually find myself sympathizing with the character Mishima wants you to hate if only because he tries so hard to write them into the ground, like Honda. Honda is just Mishima if he had never become a novelist, stayed in his dad's company and become a salaryman and so on, but if the opposite if that is to demand some kind of devotion to self destruction and death and so on that option starts to not seem so bad. Kiyoaki suddenly gets this weird change where he becomes obsessed with this girl, but only because he knows he can't have her anymore so he has to render her inaccessible first (by rejecting her until it's too late) before he can enjoy her, I really like Sea of Fertility but sometimes that change seems a little artificial, like Mishima describes a character up to a point, but then kind of possesses them and makes them do things that seem contrary to their nature only to prove a point. Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Jan 22, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2018 11:54
|
|
|
king, queen, knave was great as per usual for nabokov. i started 'my name is red' cause it got so many mentions here. pretty good so far... any story being told by dead guys and dogs has my interest.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2018 21:48
|
|
|
I just read The Radetzky March by Joseph Roth, it was really good I really liked the part where this bureaucrat gets the Kaiser of the Austro-Hungarian empire to pay off the debt that the bureaucrat’s son racked up on trips to Vienna to gently caress a married woman and the Kaiser’s just kinda like sure whatever
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2018 23:01
|
|
|
Shibawanko posted:Well what I talked about is most obvious in Forbidden Colors, Yuichi is just not a believable character, he's just the opposite of Shunsuke, a dirty old man of the kind you find a lot of in Japan but who's at least kind of human. Most of the ideal statuesque guys seem a bit like stage personas rather than people, this is a weakness that gets less over time and in Sea of Fertility it's definitely a little better, but I usually find myself sympathizing with the character Mishima wants you to hate if only because he tries so hard to write them into the ground, like Honda. Honda is just Mishima if he had never become a novelist, stayed in his dad's company and become a salaryman and so on, but if the opposite if that is to demand some kind of devotion to self destruction and death and so on that option starts to not seem so bad. Shunsuke is chill because he's a gross skeleton man who thinks that women don't have souls
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2018 23:41
|
|
|
ursula le guin died. lame.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 00:57
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 01:04
|
|
|
Ursula k legone
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 01:24
|
|
|
She's in a better place now ... the literary fiction section
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 02:52
|
|
|
ursula k leguin was still alive?
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 03:33
|
|
|
J_RBG posted:She's in a better place now ... the literary fiction section
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 07:07
|
|
|
J_RBG posted:She's in a better place now ... the literary fiction section 
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 07:35
|
|
|
J_RBG posted:She's in a better place now ... the literary fiction section
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 09:29
|
|
|
J_RBG posted:She's in a better place now ... the literary fiction section
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 10:10
|
|
|
J_RBG posted:She's in a better place now ... the literary fiction section stealin' this brb
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 16:47
|
|
|
chernobyl kinsman posted:ursula k leguin was still alive? I felt like I was literally the only person in existence who hadn't heard of her yesterday. That poo poo makes me wonder about timeline splits, like maybe I was in a universe where she didn't exist until yesterday, then time forked, and now I'm in a universe where she has existed all along. I'm sure that's probably what happened. I couldn't have just been uninformed about something.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 19:12
|
|
|
draculatreefores posted:I felt like I was literally the only person in existence who hadn't heard of her yesterday. That poo poo makes me wonder about timeline splits, like maybe I was in a universe where she didn't exist until yesterday, then time forked, and now I'm in a universe where she has existed all along. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela_effect
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 19:20
|
|
|
draculatreefores posted:I felt like I was literally the only person in existence who hadn't heard of her yesterday. That poo poo makes me wonder about timeline splits, like maybe I was in a universe where she didn't exist until yesterday, then time forked, and now I'm in a universe where she has existed all along. That's stupid.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 22:24
|
|
|
draculatreefores posted:I felt like I was literally the only person in existence who hadn't heard of her yesterday. That poo poo makes me wonder about timeline splits, like maybe I was in a universe where she didn't exist until yesterday, then time forked, and now I'm in a universe where she has existed all along. I think it's more likely that you're just unaware of your surroundings
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2018 23:27
|
|
|
J_RBG posted:She's in a better place now ... the literary fiction section
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2018 00:03
|
|
|
Lmao Bravest of the Lamps you are mostly a terrible poster but that ban is extremely funny
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2018 12:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 02:53 |
|
|
I'm ill and can't focus on anything so I've been reading Poe's short stories and they suck and Poe sucks I hate him.
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2018 12:23
|
|