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Looks like there are too many confounding variables in the Genie case, not real sciencequote:Now before Psammetichus became king of Egypt,1 the Egyptians believed that they were the oldest people on earth. But ever since Psammetichus became king and wished to find out which people were the oldest, they have believed that the Phrygians were older than they, and they than everybody else. [2] Psammetichus, when he was in no way able to learn by inquiry which people had first come into being, devised a plan by which he took two newborn children of the common people and gave them to a shepherd to bring up among his flocks. He gave instructions that no one was to speak a word in their hearing; they were to stay by themselves in a lonely hut, and in due time the shepherd was to bring goats and give the children their milk and do everything else necessary. [3] Psammetichus did this, and gave these instructions, because he wanted to hear what speech would first come from the children, when they were past the age of indistinct babbling. And he had his wish; for one day, when the shepherd had done as he was told for two years, both children ran to him stretching out their hands and calling “Bekos!” as he opened the door and entered. [4] When he first heard this, he kept quiet about it; but when, coming often and paying careful attention, he kept hearing this same word, he told his master at last and brought the children into the king's presence as required. Psammetichus then heard them himself, and asked to what language the word “Bekos” belonged; he found it to be a Phrygian word, signifying bread. [5] Reasoning from this, the Egyptians acknowledged that the Phrygians were older than they. This is the story which I heard from the priests of Hephaestus'2 temple at Memphis; the Greeks say among many foolish things that Psammetichus had the children reared by women whose tongues he had cut out.
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hackbunny posted:By all means use it to avoid the extortionate "idiot tariff" imposed by Jlist on the lifelong Japanese-obsessed who can't read a word of Japanese, and buy your Nipponic pocket pussies and inflatable schoolgirls on Amazon.jp, safe in the knowledge that a certain terrifying funnel of nubby latex spirals purports to model the hoo-ha of a second year honor student (first year would make you a /ˈpiː.dəˌfaɪl/).
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Tree Goat posted:you all better hope that Sapir Whorf isn’t true or you loving nerds are gonna end up with a hundred different words for describing the inside of a locker 
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derp posted:wasn't there a character in the new york trilogy that was raised in a silent dark room for years, or something like that and turned out like a weird robot iirc her name was cassandra cain
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derp posted:wasn't there a character in the new york trilogy that was raised in a silent dark room for years, or something like that and turned out like a weird robot It was nice of them to include you in the new york trilogy
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paul auster's the enigma of kaspar hauser sounds like it has the potential of being really bad
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Endorph posted:quit being a loving child and read some real literature i know it was a retarded post but perhaps hackbunny touched a nerve??
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I just finished Lost in the Funhouse by John Barth. Some stories were incredible, like the one about a conjoined twin who lives his life in the literal and figurative shadow of his brother who he is connected to via stomach to lower back, others less so largely because they display a self-awareness and -referentialness that would make DWF blush. One of them even starts shouting at you as to why you are continuing to read its gibberish. His prose style reminds me most of Nabokov. In an act of prescience for modern juvenile discourse he also uses the word cuckold a ton. Over all I liked it and I definitely recommend you read him. His novel Chimera is great as well and I'll get around to some of his others at some point.
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A human heart posted:It was nice of them to include you in the new york trilogy i bought the new york trilogy when i was like 17 because i wanted to read some kind of detective story and the cover looked cool I was...surprised
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Supposedly 4321 is really good and I need to build myself up for 700 pages of Auster
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Mel Mudkiper posted:based on It sounds like poverty of stimulus rephrased more mysteriously Mel Mudkiper posted:Supposedly 4321 is really good Where the hell do you get these things from
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Ras Het posted:Where the hell do you get these things from cool old dude who sells used books in the attic of a dress shop and also the NYT
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Opulent Ceremony posted:I just finished Lost in the Funhouse by John Barth. Some stories were incredible, like the one about a conjoined twin who lives his life in the literal and figurative shadow of his brother who he is connected to via stomach to lower back, others less so largely because they display a self-awareness and -referentialness that would make DWF blush. One of them even starts shouting at you as to why you are continuing to read its gibberish. His prose style reminds me most of Nabokov. In an act of prescience for modern juvenile discourse he also uses the word cuckold a ton. Over all I liked it and I definitely recommend you read him. His novel Chimera is great as well and I'll get around to some of his others at some point. I love Barth. He can be hard to read in 2018 because he was so innovative that so many of his stylistic techniques have since been beaten into the ground.
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Endorph posted:quit being a loving child and read some real literature It's not working!
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I'm reading Lem's Fiasco. It's great. Lem is a poet of inanimate matter. What do you guys think will succeed the novel form as a literary vehicle? Most 21st century novels feel anachronistic to me. Probably my favorite book I read written after 2000 or so has been Remainder by McCarthy, but it feels like a lot of the form of the novel in that book is no longer needed, like it functions great as a novel of ideas expressed in a symbolic form, but a lot of the narrative feels a little tacked on purely to adapt it into a publishable form. Things like a plot, a protagonist (the protagonist is nameless because really, you're actively discouraged to identify with him, so why have a protagonist at all?), a beginning and resolution. This is a conversation I have a lot with professors but none of them ever even hint at a good answer to what should come after the novel. I have no idea either except that it should somehow be less focused on the actions of an individual, and have a great focus on the inanimate, on non-living processes. Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Feb 1, 2018 |
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Opulent Ceremony posted:His novel Chimera is great as well and I'll get around to some of his others at some point. read sotweed and floating opera
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Shibawanko posted:What do you guys think will succeed the novel form as a literary vehicle? Most 21st century novels feel anachronistic to me. Probably my favorite book I read written after 2000 or so has been Remainder by McCarthy, but it feels like a lot of the form of the novel in that book is no longer needed, like it functions great as a novel of ideas expressed in a symbolic form, but a lot of the narrative feels a little tacked on purely to adapt it into a publishable form. Things like a plot, a protagonist (the protagonist is nameless because really, you're actively discouraged to identify with him, so why have a protagonist at all?), a beginning and resolution. This is a conversation I have a lot with professors but none of them ever even hint at a good answer to what should come after the novel. I have no idea either except that it should somehow be less focused on the actions of an individual, and have a great focus on the inanimate, on non-living processes. IMO McCarthy is following The Magic Mountain/Faustus/The Man Without Qualities but replacing Kant and Hegel for Kittler and Deleuze. I like McCarthy but I don't think he is working against the novel as such. Actually that was C, Remainder is working from Perec's La vie de mode d'emploi. I think the novel is durable as an artistic form, dunno how long it will survive as a commodity. And your solution is still to remain with the novel as vehicle while challenging its content. You want to untether the novel from human subjectivity but have it remain legible? I applaud the idea but don't know if it is tenable. This isn't exactly what you are asking for but look up Robbe-Grillet and his idea of the noveau roman. Mel Mudkiper posted:the NYT lmao
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Shibawanko posted:I'm reading Lem's Fiasco. It's great. Lem is a poet of inanimate matter. I don't know what to answer to this, but I'll say that the "mechanics" of publishing do seem to be detrimental to the art form. I've read that nobody wants to write short stories because they don't pay, and that makes me incredibly sad, because I'd love to read more short fiction. And God help you if your story is neither short nor novel-length
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What's a good Roberto Bolaño book to read in English? Should I just start with 2666?
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pospysyl posted:What's a good Roberto Bolaño book to read in English? Should I just start with 2666? There's a level of intertextuality to 2666 that would perhaps work better if you read Savage Detectives first (and SD is a very good book too)
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Boatswain posted:lmao You're right, I should get my recs by waiting 40 years for a professor to tell me it's ok to like it
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I forget who recommended it, but Multiple Choice by Zambra was a fun read. Thanks for mentioning it in here.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:You're right, I should get my recs by waiting 40 years for a professor to tell me it's ok to like it I think you just shouldn't get your lit recommendations from an American newspaper
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A human heart posted:I think you just shouldn't get your lit recommendations from an American newspaper I use all sources available to me 
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I only like writers with sufficient auctoritas
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pospysyl posted:What's a good Roberto Bolaño book to read in English? Should I just start with 2666? By Night in Chile! It's better and easier to carry. Mel Mudkiper posted:You're right, I should get my recs by waiting 40 years for a professor to tell me it's ok to like it Develop your own taste, and make sure it is opposite to the NYT's.
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Boatswain posted:Develop your own taste, and make sure it is opposite to the NYT's. any particular reason you can actually point to or is this one of those pretension dick measuring things btw http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/16/books/books-of-the-times-a-priest-who-lived-through-the-grim-pinochet-era.html
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Speaking of publications, which do journals etc yall consider the realest of the real lit or just reliable sources of good fiction? Do you actually subscribe to NYRB, LRB, Paris review, new Yorker, Granta to name some institutions...or just at your convenience? I'm a big fan complete review. And apart from that just follow this thread, publishers' email lists (Pushkin is always great), and email lists of most of those institutions you mention and also some other random ones. And then word of mouth from friends, the local bookshop, etc.
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I have no friends and I only read what you guys recommend
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I subscribe to LRB but never read the new fiction reviews
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hackbunny posted:I have no friends and I only read what you guys recommend Oof, that's a tough break.
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I was gifted a lrb subscription a couple of weeks ago and will do the same Also, scouring the second hand shops for weird translations
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I follow a bunch of weirdos on goodreads who read the cool kind of books, rather than the bad kind
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Last year the LRB ran an unusually vitriolic review of the Auster before its publication (which is unusual for them) seemingly just to embarrass whoever runs the LRB bookstore who had arranged an Auster reading and signing.
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Mr. Squishy posted:Last year the LRB ran an unusually vitriolic review of the Auster before its publication (which is unusual for them) seemingly just to embarrass whoever runs the LRB bookstore who had arranged an Auster reading and signing. lol awesome I thought the NY trilogy was pretty good when I read it like a decade ago & I like the movie Smoke (iirc William Hurt's character is supposed to be based on Auster). But I don't really have a desire to read more. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Feb 2, 2018 |
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I read LRB, NLR, TLS, n+1, et al, and I follow a lot of smaller presses and I read academic journals and study my history.Mel Mudkiper posted:any particular reason you can actually point to or is this one of those pretension dick measuring things The NYT is parochial and rarely looks outside the confines of 'literary fiction.' If you want to call that pretension dick measuring things then fine.
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