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Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Foreskin Problems posted:

What are the seminal works in ancient alienology? I know it's all bunk, I just want to see where the hell these guys are coming from.

Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken.

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Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

Rolo posted:

Is American Gods a good start for reading Neil Gaiman? I got a free copy and was told I’d like him.

My first Gaiman was Good Omens, but that's a collab with Terry Pratchett.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Solitair posted:

My first Gaiman was Good Omens, but that's a collab with Terry Pratchett.

Ahaha, whoops. This is Gaiman's best work, followed by Sandman. If you haven't read it yet, I wholeheartedly recommend it to you!

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Tiggum posted:

Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken.

This is the dude that almost all of it came from but iirc some of his ideas actually appeared first in Pauwels and Bergier's The Morning of the Magicians, which also inspired a lot of other 60s esotericism like occult nazis and stuff.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Solitair posted:

My first Gaiman was Good Omens, but that's a collab with Terry Pratchett.

I’ve never read any Terry Pratchett either :saddowns:

Guess I’ll add it to the list then? Which 3 books first?

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Rolo posted:

I’ve never read any Terry Pratchett either :saddowns:

Guess I’ll add it to the list then? Which 3 books first?

Guards! Guards!, Wyrd Sisters and Mort. In any order.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Tiggum posted:

Guards! Guards!, Wyrd Sisters and Mort. In any order.

Guards Guards is the best of the three imo - I bounced off the other two but couldn't put it down.

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

DOUBLE CLICK HERE posted:

Looking for short stories. Just has to be engaging. Throw me a handful! Whatever you're into or remember.

Stories of Your Life and Others, Ted Chiang.
Nocturnes, John Connolly. Both volumes, though I seem to recall the second being better.

Burning Rain
Jul 17, 2006

What's happening?!?!

StrixNebulosa posted:

Guards Guards is the best of the three imo - I bounced off the other two but couldn't put it down.

It was exactly the opposite for me

Mira
Nov 29, 2009

Max illegality.

What would be the point otherwise?


Forgot to thank y'all for the travel writing recs.

New request: what are some good literary books that'll move me to tears?

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Mira posted:

Forgot to thank y'all for the travel writing recs.

New request: what are some good literary books that'll move me to tears?

What makes you cry?

Mira
Nov 29, 2009

Max illegality.

What would be the point otherwise?


Franchescanado posted:

What makes you cry?

Something like Voices from Chernobyl, but literary fiction.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

no longer human by osamu dazai

elbow
Jun 7, 2006

Mira posted:

Forgot to thank y'all for the travel writing recs.

New request: what are some good literary books that'll move me to tears?

A Little Life, by Hanya Yanagihara

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

elbow posted:

A Little Life, by Hanya Yanagihara

this book is the emotional equivalent of torture porn

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

chernobyl kinsman posted:

this book is the emotional equivalent of torture porn

Apparently the term is tragedy porn.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

I read a synopsis and it sounds super bad

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

StrixNebulosa posted:

Apparently the term is tragedy porn.

Well, was supposed to be in the company of Voices from Chernobyl, which is really heavy reading. Granted it is the sort of dreary hopelessness of real tragedy, where I do get annoyed when authors just pile on hardships while hinting at some significance in the suffering.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

Well, was supposed to be in the company of Voices from Chernobyl, which is really heavy reading. Granted it is the sort of dreary hopelessness of real tragedy, where I do get annoyed when authors just pile on hardships while hinting at some significance in the suffering.

Fair. I would like to draw a line between tragedy porn - i.e. fictional tragedy for the sake of suffering - versus Voices from Chernobyl.

(And I hope Mira finds what they want to read, as well as brings along boatloads of tissues. I read the plot summary of A Little Life and it sounds guaranteed to ruin your day.)

Mira
Nov 29, 2009

Max illegality.

What would be the point otherwise?


Cheers, my dudes. That was actually on my backlog for a while.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Any recommendations for "historical" crime novels? I'm thinking mostly pre-industrial. So far I've read some Ruusuvuori, Van Gulik (one of my favourites but only because they're hell of fast reads), Eco's Il nome della rosa, Christie's Death Comes as the End (which wasn't very good), and one of Ellis Peters' Brother Cadfael novels but I can't remember the title.

In English, Finnish, or Swedish (as long as it's pretty much standard Swedish).

e: a few things some writers of historical fiction seem to love that I do not love: awkward foot sex scenes on the smithy floor, detailed descriptions of nautical manoeuvres, info dumps.

3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Feb 12, 2018

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Jerry Cotton posted:

Any recommendations for "historical" crime novels? I'm thinking mostly pre-industrial. So far I've read some Ruusuvuori, Van Gulik (one of my favourites but only because they're hell of fast reads), Eco's Il nome della rosa, Christie's Death Comes as the End (which wasn't very good), and one of Ellis Peters' Brother Cadfael novels but I can't remember the title.

In English, Finnish, or Swedish (as long as it's pretty much standard Swedish).

e: a few things some writers of historical writers seem to love that I do not love: awkward foot sex scenes on the smithy floor, detailed descriptions of nautical manoeuvres, info dumps.

If you haven't read The Name of the Rose, then do so.

Ahhh nevermind you have -- I "blipped" over the Italian title, sorry!

Here's a list from wikipedia that might have some good ones, but I think you've already read all the stuff in this sub-genre that I have (Eco & Cadfael, mostly), so I can't really make recommendations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_mystery

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Feb 12, 2018

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
An Instance of the Fingerpost would be another good tip.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

I recall Lindsey Davis's Marcus Didius Falco novels as being pretty decent although I've only read the first four or five.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





What are some good swashbuckling adventure books? I've got The Princess Bride and Stardust in mind as reference points, but I may be interested in anything in that approximately-renaissance-adventure mold.

Feel free to just throw titles at me, I'll look things up on my own time.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Are you looking for contemporary?

Because you can always do the classics like Dumas or The Scarlet Pimpernell

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Are you looking for contemporary?

Because you can always do the classics like Dumas or The Scarlet Pimpernell

Scarlet Pimpernel is . .. not exactly an easy read, and I like that stuff

Start with The Curse of Capistrano (the first Zorro book).

Next up, if by swashbuckling you mean pirates, Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson

CAptain Blood by Rafael Sabatini is technically a classic but closer to the Scarlet Pimpernel end of the "not actually objectively good" spectrum.

If you want something that specifically feels like Stardust/ Princess Bride, it's hard to capture that particular ethos anywhere else, but a personal favorite of mine is Harm's Way by Colin Greenland.

edit: Dumas is highly variable in quality because he had a stable of ghostwriters under him. Count of Monte Cristo is the place to start.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Feb 13, 2018

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord
What about Captain Alatriste?

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

George MacDonald Fraser (of Flashman fame) also wrote a book called The Pyrates that's a mix of comedy and swashbuckling.

Actually, mentioning Fraser also reminds me of Anthony Hope and The Prisoner of Zenda and Rupert of Hentzau, which are a lot of fun and quick reads.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Dadbod Apocalypse posted:

What about Captain Alatriste?

Oh anything by Perez-Reverte is great. I'm not sure how much of his stuff is available in English though -- when I read the series a few years ago I had a really hard time finding ebook copies of everything and from what I remember there were a few books in the sequence I couldn't find English language copies of. They may've come out by now though.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Haystack posted:

What are some good swashbuckling adventure books? I've got The Princess Bride and Stardust in mind as reference points, but I may be interested in anything in that approximately-renaissance-adventure mold.

Feel free to just throw titles at me, I'll look things up on my own time.

I don't know if they're great but Samuel Shellabarger made a lot of money with swashbuckling novels. I've only read Prince of Foxes (which they made a film out of) and The King's Cavalier and I was reasonably entertained. (Joke answer: https://archive.org/details/surgeonsstories00topegoog - I don't know if there's a full or recent English translation.)

Anyway thanks for the recommendations, thread.

e: Actually, "swashbuckling" might not mean what I thought it means so :shrug:

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Oh anything by Perez-Reverte is great. I'm not sure how much of his stuff is available in English though -- when I read the series a few years ago I had a really hard time finding ebook copies of everything and from what I remember there were a few books in the sequence I couldn't find English language copies of. They may've come out by now though.

As far as I can see, all the Alatriste books except Bridge of Assassins have been translated into English and are available on Kindle.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Hello. I have a spare audible credit to spend on some fiction and all their recommendations are garbage. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

I'm coming at this one with an open mind so rather than asking for "Discworld but sexy" here's a few things I'd like to avoid:
1. Mainstream bestsellers; it's not that they're necessarily bad but I've probably seen them already
2. Scifi unless it's really astoundingly good, because I've read a lot of scifi in my life
3. 50s Americana
4. WW2 (unless there's a very interesting twist/gimmick)
5. Anything very cerebral or structurally complicated; I'm usually listening to these while doing something else or snoozing, so it doesn't need to be braindead but I doubt I'd be able to follow The Three Body Problem or Cloud Atlas read out loud.

The narrator can make or break an audiobook for sure but I'm happy to vet that using the samples available.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Aquarium by David Vann

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Jaded Burnout posted:

Hello. I have a spare audible credit to spend on some fiction and all their recommendations are garbage. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

I'm coming at this one with an open mind so rather than asking for "Discworld but sexy" here's a few things I'd like to avoid:
1. Mainstream bestsellers; it's not that they're necessarily bad but I've probably seen them already
2. Scifi unless it's really astoundingly good, because I've read a lot of scifi in my life
3. 50s Americana
4. WW2 (unless there's a very interesting twist/gimmick)
5. Anything very cerebral or structurally complicated; I'm usually listening to these while doing something else or snoozing, so it doesn't need to be braindead but I doubt I'd be able to follow The Three Body Problem or Cloud Atlas read out loud.

The narrator can make or break an audiobook for sure but I'm happy to vet that using the samples available.

Maybe look into the Lincoln In The Bardo audiobook?

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord

Jaded Burnout posted:

Hello. I have a spare audible credit to spend on some fiction and all their recommendations are garbage. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

The narrator can make or break an audiobook for sure but I'm happy to vet that using the samples available.

I don't know how you feel about Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin book series, but I thought the narrator (Patrick Tull) was a delight to listen to. He really brings those stories to life.

https://www.audible.com/pd/Fiction/Master-and-Commander-Audiobook/B002V0KS9A

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Dadbod Apocalypse posted:

I don't know how you feel about Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin book series, but I thought the narrator (Patrick Tull) was a delight to listen to. He really brings those stories to life.

https://www.audible.com/pd/Fiction/Master-and-Commander-Audiobook/B002V0KS9A

Word of warning: these are a personal fave but lots of nautical language.

Just let it wash over you and understanding comes with time.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Mel Mudkiper posted:

Aquarium by David Vann

Not available unfortunately :(

Franchescanado posted:

Maybe look into the Lincoln In The Bardo audiobook?

🤔

Thank you for the recommendation but after listening to the sample I think it's not my kind of thing. Lincoln has never held any interest for me.

Dadbod Apocalypse posted:

I don't know how you feel about Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin book series, but I thought the narrator (Patrick Tull) was a delight to listen to. He really brings those stories to life.

https://www.audible.com/pd/Fiction/Master-and-Commander-Audiobook/B002V0KS9A

Master and Commander got a big following here because of the TV series but I never really bothered with it. It looks (and sounds) interesting, thanks. I've put it on my shortlist.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Word of warning: these are a personal fave but lots of nautical language.

Just let it wash over you and understanding comes with time.

Thanks :) I've been reasonably indoctrinated through things like Neal Stephenson and James Clavell and generally being English, so hopefully it's not too bad.

Tochiazuma
Feb 16, 2007

Jerry Cotton posted:

Any recommendations for "historical" crime novels? I'm thinking mostly pre-industrial. So far I've read some Ruusuvuori, Van Gulik (one of my favourites but only because they're hell of fast reads), Eco's Il nome della rosa, Christie's Death Comes as the End (which wasn't very good), and one of Ellis Peters' Brother Cadfael novels but I can't remember the title.

In English, Finnish, or Swedish (as long as it's pretty much standard Swedish).

e: a few things some writers of historical fiction seem to love that I do not love: awkward foot sex scenes on the smithy floor, detailed descriptions of nautical manoeuvres, info dumps.

I liked Bone Rattler by Eliot Pattison, there's four books in that series as well.
Synopsis here http://www.eliotpattison.com/bone_rattler.html

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anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Another good tip for historical crime could be My Name Is Red.

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