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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's pretty common. I don't know about Foe but with Sargasso Sea at least you don't necessarily need to have read the prior referent beyond a Wikipedia summary to get the gist of how the new title is reclaiming the narrative. what kind of broke-brained degenerate hasn't read Jane Eyre quote:I also don't particularly relish the four different times I was assigned Wuthering Heights, it's a garbage book for garbage people. ah, this kind
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I’ve never read a book by the Brontë sisters past a few pages, just can’t get along with them, but then again I also read books by people like Jane Austin, Wilkie Collins and Charles Dickens by actual choice so 
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Feb 15, 2018 20:16
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learnincurve posted:but then again I also read books by people like Jane Austin, Wilkie Collins and Charles Dickens by actual choice so wow thats crazy dude
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Feb 15, 2018 20:18
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I mean I don't like stories about the problems of the landed gentry but that's my own Marxist thing
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Feb 15, 2018 20:30
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Austin is interesting from a socialist’s point of view because you can see just how limited her world view was in her writing. Dickens is interesting from the opposite perspective.
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Feb 15, 2018 20:33
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I mean I don't like stories about the problems of the landed gentry Literally every good book is this, sorry
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Feb 15, 2018 20:53
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Well I should have known not to expect the easy answer, and can't complain about having to read a classic book. Thank you friends. Here's the rest of the reading list, in case there is more ridiculousness in there. Homer - The Odyssey Shakespeare, William - The Tempest. DeFoe, Daniel. Roxana - The Fortunate Mistress. Austen, Jane - Pride and Prejudice. Bronte, Charlotte - Jane Eyre. Dickens, Charles - Hard Times. Woolf, Virginia - To The Lighthouse. Fitzgerald, F. Scott - The Great Gatsby. White, Patrick - The Aunt’s Story. Coetzee, J.M - Foe.
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Feb 16, 2018 03:24
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I hope you enjoy your classes at the kindergarten
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Feb 16, 2018 04:30
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did the professor develop the curriculum by using a dart board
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Feb 16, 2018 04:32
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i love lit survey classes where they have like 2 books to represent the first 5000 years of human literacy and then 32 books from 1850-1975 also Mel Mudkiper posted:did the professor develop the curriculum by using a dart board
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Feb 16, 2018 05:07
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Ugh. I have no time for anyone who would set Hard Times over David Copperfield.
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Feb 16, 2018 07:43
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Anyone else follow the Morning News' Tournament of Books? https://themorningnews.org/tob/ They have a bracketed tournament with 18 books from the previous year, and various folks (such as booksellers, authors, etc.) read two of the books placed head-to-head and choose a winner. I wouldn't say that the system is brilliant or anything, but if nothing else it helps me find a lot of good books from the previous year. Granted, I read Lincoln in the Bardo, but Pachinko by Min Jin Lee and Idaho by Emily Ruskovich were two books I'd probably not have touched had it not been for this contest.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i love lit survey classes where they have like 2 books to represent the first 5000 years of human literacy and then 32 books from 1850-1975 Like seriously I am trying to figure out the narrative the professor is trying to create with these picks and it feels so wholly random
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Like seriously I am trying to figure out the narrative the professor is trying to create with these picks and it feels so wholly random It seems deliberate. He is either is up his own arse, full of hate for either students or select authors, or and he is very sneaky/clever if it’s this - this is actually about or leading up to The Great Tradition by F R Leavis. It’s the only reason I can think of for including Hard Times as it’s so very different to all of Dickens’ other works.
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Well I go to a pretty crummy university, so I don't think there was too much thought in it other than just books the professor likes. Here's another list from a course in my history minor I'm taking this semester that you can pick apart. It's called 'Literature and Culture in the 20th Century (although most of the books were written this century and Heart of Darkness falls one year short of the 20th century). James Conrad - Heart of Darkness Eileen Chang - Lust, Caution Eileen Chang - Written on Water John Osborne - Look Back in Anger Chinua Achebe - Things Fall Apart Chuck Palahniuk - Fight Club Kazuo Ishiguro - Never Let Me Go
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Feb 16, 2018 15:52
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I cannot think of anything worse than being forced to read student’s opinions on books you actually like.
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krampster2 posted:Homer - The Odyssey i like that he's having you read coetzee's foe and a book by daniel defoe, but instead of robinson crusoe it's the fortunate mistress, which, in addition to not making sense from a course planning perspective, is a book that no one could care less about
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Not to besmirch Eileen Chang but I do not think she is the sort of author who merits having two books in the class
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learnincurve posted:I cannot think of anything worse than being forced to read student’s opinions on books you actually like. Picking a curriculum by personal taste in the first place seems wholly misguided Like, if I taught a literature class I wouldn't put Aquarium in a literature of the 21st curriculum Like, a good literature class isn't so much about teaching a book as much as it is giving the students an understanding of connecting threads of themes and questions between eras and authors. Its not about teaching them that Shakespeare is good, its about teaching them how the popularity of Shakespeare has influence literature after him. Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Feb 16, 2018 |
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In the community college Freshman English II I'm taking, the book list is: Hamlet Maus Their Eyes Were Watching God I'm down with everything but Hamlet, because we did Hamlet for an entire semester in High School along with other Shakespeare for like every year so I am sick to death of him.
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Feb 16, 2018 16:29
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I will argue quite hard for a midsummer night's dream being the best introduction to Shakespeare’s works. Especially from a language point of view, once you explain what the words in the play within a play actually mean* and tell the kids that the rest of the play is scattered with other dirty words a lot of them suddenly find it not so boring after all. *for example hole = Vagina and stones = bollocks “That I, one Snout by name, present a wall. And such a wall, as I would have you think, That had in it a crannied hole, or chink, Through which the lovers, Pyramus and Thisbe, Did whisper often very secretly. This loam, this roughcast, and this stone doth show That I am that same wall. The truth is so. And this the cranny is, right and sinister, Through which the fearful lovers are to whisper” “O Wall, full often hast thou heard my moans, For parting my fair Pyramus and me! My cherry lips have often kissed thy stones, Thy stones with lime and hair knit up in thee.”
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Feb 16, 2018 16:38
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learnincurve posted:Ugh. I have no time for anyone who would set Hard Times over David Copperfield. Yeah who the gently caress assigns Hard Times was my first thought on that list
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learnincurve posted:I will argue quite hard for a midsummer night's dream being the best introduction to Shakespeare’s works. Especially from a language point of view, once you explain what the words in the play within a play actually mean* and tell the kids that the rest of the play is scattered with other dirty words a lot of them suddenly find it not so boring after all. Of course, this is one of the Shakespeare things we never touched. Hamlet, MacBeth, Romeo and Juliet were the big ones that we studied. 
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StrixNebulosa posted:Of course, this is one of the Shakespeare things we never touched. Hamlet, MacBeth, Romeo and Juliet were the big ones that we studied.
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how else are the kids gonna start loving literature, if they don't get all of its most miserable and dense pieces shoved in their faces and rubbed all over like pig poo poo?
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Feb 16, 2018 21:14
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anilEhilated posted:Seems odd to focus just on the tragedies and ignore everything else the man wrote. Look if you don't have eight hours to sit down and watch a marathon of both parts of Henry IV, you don't deserve the second-best bed
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Feb 16, 2018 21:31
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I never understood why schools bother with Romeo and Juliet Its one of his lesser plays and the only thing it has going for it is name recognition
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Feb 16, 2018 22:28
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it's a good place to start with high school kids
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Feb 16, 2018 22:36
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It’s the one with the least amount of incest, whores, drunks, rapists, and murderers.
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learnincurve posted:It’s the one with the least amount of incest, whores, drunks, rapists, and murderers. I already said it was one of his lesser works
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it's a good place to start with high school kids start em on Titus Andronicus That poo poo is metal
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I quite like Macbeth if it’s done properly with lots of grime and blood. Once saw a version where he carries her across the stage after her jump and they absolutely nailed the prosthetics and lighting so it looked like her head had been stoved in. There was an audible gasp when she did the curtain call and a lot of people clicked that it hadn’t been a doll.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I never understood why schools bother with Romeo and Juliet Protags are technically high school age, also high school teachers often haven't read any other shakespeare either.
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Feb 16, 2018 23:00
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learnincurve posted:It’s the one with the least amount of incest, whores, drunks, rapists, and murderers. albeit those are arguably timeless themes
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I also don't particularly relish the four different times I was assigned Wuthering Heights, it's a garbage book for garbage people. I want to blame the Bronte s for Twilight.
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to be fair gently caress Byronic heroes and all books with Byronic heroes
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Feb 18, 2018 01:45
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except for wuthering heights, because it was the first and the best, you fools
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Feb 18, 2018 01:47
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i like it because it's a great study of what happens when you raise children in complete geographical and social isolation with nobody to turn to but each other, written by someone who was actually raised like that and knew what she was talking about
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true leftist posted:i like it because it's a great study of what happens when you raise children in complete geographical and social isolation with nobody to turn to but each other, written by someone who was actually raised like that and knew what she was talking about You should challenge yourself to read books outside of your own experiences
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Mel Mudkiper posted:You should challenge yourself to read books outside of your own experiences
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