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Another thing with Okami is that every character is based on an extremely loose interpretation of characters from Japanese Mythology, like Issun who in Japanese fables plays a Tom Thumb role, with a leaf as a shield and a pin for a sword. Susanno is a great swordsman who is also Amaterasu's Brother in the original stories and the God of Storm and Sea.
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In Nioh if you let yourself run out of stamina and then take a hit your character will sit there panting for a second or two, during which enemies can hit you with brutal finishing moves. Kappas will run behind you and kancho you.Son of Thunderbeast posted:I can see why people fell in love with the game, but I feel like if more people emphasized the lore and story that there was to unlock behind the unforgiving gameplay, way more people would've ended up into it. It wasn't till I watched a bunch of lore videos that I finally decided to come back and put in the effort to git gud It's probably due to Dark Souls releasing during the period when developers were making AAA games as easy as possible. It's solidly challenging but I think it owes its weird rep as The Hardest of Hardgames to the environment it was released into.
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Feb 18, 2018 12:34
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:this owns incredibly hard (and is obviously canon) Seems like you've got the game down pat already. You even learned exactly why no one ever locks on in Dark Souls (because Dark Souls' lock on is rubbish). Personally, my favorite Taurus demon tactic was that one time he just jumped off the edge and I stood around confused getting shot by archers until I died because I didn't know where the boss went. Somfin posted:I picked up Okami and, uh, can I just put down "everything" as the little thing I like in this game? Everything apart from the kinda inconsistent double jump / autojump mechanic and that loving wooden tower thing in the first town? And Issun being a continuous horny jackass is kinda... well, it's a product of a time. But yes, everything about Okami is amazing. Did you try picking up the dog in the first town? Because you can pick up that dog. You can steal dogs. You can also just run around barking at everyone forever.
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Feb 18, 2018 14:50
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In Dark Souls 3 I perfect-killed Vordt on my third attempt. I...is this what "git gud" feels like? I like it. 
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Feb 18, 2018 15:14
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Okami manages to thread the needle of being a beautiful, fulfilling game that is absolutely dedicated to its premise, and is also totally in love with poop and pee.
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Secret of Mana updated release: I forgot just how well the game spells out for you where to go next without being obnoxious. It’s also good at inserting sub goals and later goals. You’re told to go to the Underground Palace at Gaia’s Navel, you walk through a town where people are being controlled by an evil witch and you’re told to stay away from the ruins south of town. You get to the palace, find out the witch controls the enterance, go deal with her, and find two NPCs were sent to the ruins, and it just layers in like that. A lot of other games would be "go to underground palace. Oh no, you can’t get in! Go fight this witch you’ve never heard of yet! Now clear the palace! Now go to these ruins you just found out about!" I just appreciate the fact you not only know your next step, but have clues about the next several in sequence.
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Feb 18, 2018 16:43
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My favourite little thing in Okami is finding some of the characters little secrets hidden in their houses, like Susano ( he has a little shrine for Kushi  )and Issun (behind his proper illustration studies is a big collection of of pervy drawings).
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Feb 18, 2018 17:29
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The Moon Monster posted:It's probably due to Dark Souls releasing during the period when developers were making AAA games as easy as possible. It's solidly challenging but I think it owes its weird rep as The Hardest of Hardgames to the environment it was released into. It didn't click for me the first time because of how games had trained me leading up to it, but now I feel like I at least grok the basic concept. Nuebot posted:Seems like you've got the game down pat already. You even learned exactly why no one ever locks on in Dark Souls (because Dark Souls' lock on is rubbish). The real tragedy behind the lock-on fail is that I was trying to get back to the Undead Parish, where I had died to the big armored boar and left close to 8000 souls  Nuebot posted:Personally, my favorite Taurus demon tactic was that one time he just jumped off the edge and I stood around confused getting shot by archers until I died because I didn't know where the boss went. The first time I tried the plunging attack strategy on the Taurus demon, I dilly-dallied on top of the tower for too long, thinking I was safe to take a few moments and visualize my next steps after I jumped. Then he leapt up, I yelled "OH gently caress" irl and scrambled to get away, and then he pasted me against the floor. 
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Feb 18, 2018 19:07
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:The first time I tried the plunging attack strategy on the Taurus demon, I dilly-dallied on top of the tower for too long, thinking I was safe to take a few moments and visualize my next steps after I jumped. Then he leapt up, I yelled "OH gently caress" irl and scrambled to get away, and then he pasted me against the floor. My favorite moment like this is in the Undead Asylum, actually. You get to the top of the ruins, to the downward stab tutorial, where the boss is waiting for you under you, to jump off and stab him in the head. But not for too long.
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Feb 18, 2018 21:46
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HenryEx posted:My favorite moment like this is in the Undead Asylum, actually. You get to the top of the ruins, to the downward stab tutorial, where the boss is waiting for you under you, to jump off and stab him in the head. And in both cases it's quietly foreshadowed that this could happen. They both start off their fights in the high ground; did you really think they couldn't get back up there?
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:That would've confused the hell out of me too. Did he die or was his health bar still active? He dies, but it takes a few seconds. Then you get his souls and the homeward bone. It's still very confusing if you've never seen it happen before. Taurus demon being able to jump is great. Once you figure out the ledge is there you tend to assume it's like the asylum demon and you're just supposed to smash him. But then he'll just smash you if you're not quick. Son of Thunderbeast posted:Thanks! It really doesn't feel like I've got it down pat though, considering each new area takes me at least a couple deaths before I figure out what I'm supposed to do (and then another half-dozen deaths at least until I actually pull it off for the first time, only to die in the next area, rinse and repeat). That boar sucks though. I -think- it's supposed to be an introduction to weapon types? Like most people would be using a sword but blunt weapons and magic damage do way more damage to it. But it it still has stupid amounts of HP and hits like a truck with tusks.
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Feb 18, 2018 22:46
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Feb 18, 2018 22:49
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The boar is an introduction to casting away your pride and fisting an animal to death.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:I have to keep thinking two or three steps ahead and it's really addictive, it's like real-time chess almost. Bad analogy but it's the best I can come up with right now I think this is a pretty good analogy, actually. Dark Souls really clicked for me when I stopped thinking of each enemy encounter as a typical action/adventure fight and started thinking of them as puzzle battles. Everything from relative enemy threat levels to positioning to speed, stamina, and defense come into play. The only potential problem comes up with people who learn that they can safely block most attacks and end up turtling their way through the whole game. It works, but it's super boring. I'm glad that Bloodborne at least threw shields out the window and forced players to use a more dynamic strategy. It's just way more fun when your strategy asks "how can I wreck everyone's poo poo as quickly as possible before they gently caress me up?" rather than "how can I avoid risk completely?"
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Feb 18, 2018 22:55
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The boar is a stupid and badly designed roadblock. I just ignore it or murder it as cheaply as possible. It's jarring proof of how carefully these games are designed in that it's the exception and is... so bad
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Feb 18, 2018 23:05
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Nuebot posted:That boar sucks though. I -think- it's supposed to be an introduction to weapon types? Like most people would be using a sword but blunt weapons and magic damage do way more damage to it. But it it still has stupid amounts of HP and hits like a truck with tusks. The boar is a pretty good intro to finding creative approaches to combat. If you go around the boar and end up on the bridge above it, you find Alluring Skulls. You can use those to lure it into plunging attack range. You can do the classic video game approach of tricking it into charging into the big fire that's near it. You can fight it head on, and find out that its rear has no armor. Or, and this is a great tactic, you can just run right past it.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:The boar is a stupid and badly designed roadblock. I just ignore it or murder it as cheaply as possible. Congrats, it taught you a valuable and important lesson about fighting mobs that give you trouble. That's good game design by any metric.
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Ariong posted:Or, and this is a great tactic, you can just run right past it. But it's alive and I'm the only thing allowed to be alive in Dark Souls!
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Feb 18, 2018 23:51
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Nuebot posted:It's not just a thing of its time, it's an actual character trait! It'll never go away. It will crop up when you least expect it. Amaterasu is really well-characterized as a deity that's unwaveringly good and pure but also kind of a petty screwball.
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Nuebot posted:But it's alive and I'm the only thing allowed to be alive in Dark Souls! I mean, technically
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My only issue with the boar is that, as goofy as this will sound, it's a little too unwieldy. There's a number of decent options for dealing with it, but enacting any of them (besides just ignoring it) is cumbersome for a new player. It's also placed in close proximity to the very tricky puzzle of the double archers and their undead buddies. I think I tried to use the lures and backstab it, and then for no good reason I didn't get the sweet spot so instead my sword bounced off the armor and did 2 points of damage and then it turned around, bowled me over, and then thrashed its way into the fire and died. 
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What even is the strategy for the boars in the Archive? Their arses are covered up so the only options are to cherry-tap them to death or just run past them. A minor thing I hope they change in the Remaster is that when you warp TO a bonfire, that bonfire becomes your checkpoint, so you don't die in Lost Izalith and wake up in Firelink. Also they could change the complete second-half of the game.
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I should clarify that I don't think the boar is super successful at teaching stuff to the player, but I do get what they were going for.Inspector Gesicht posted:A minor thing I hope they change in the Remaster is that when you warp TO a bonfire, that bonfire becomes your checkpoint, so you don't die in Lost Izalith and wake up in Firelink. Also they could change the complete second-half of the game. That's the way it works in DS3, so I have to imagine they'll bring it to the remaster. That's a little thing I like.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:54
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I thought lightning bolts were good for dealing with the boars? I remember getting thru the halls to the archives without too mich trouble. i seem to remember farming the area to get the boars head helmet
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Blind Sally posted:I thought lightning bolts were good for dealing with the boars? I remember getting thru the halls to the archives without too mich trouble. i seem to remember farming the area to get the boars head helmet The boars don't respawn, but the last one always drops the helmet if you haven't gotten one before. Musta been a short farming session  .Fire works okay against them, and every build can pyromance. The enemies after are also resistant to physical and weak to fire, so maybe it's meant to teach you something. However, two-handing a big weapon also works well, so I keep learning the wrong lesson!
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Feb 19, 2018 01:33
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What even is the strategy for the boars in the Archive? Their arses are covered up so the only options are to cherry-tap them to death or just run past them. The remaster is being farmed out to a different company so any genuine upgrades to the game are off the table, sadly. We'll never know what an actially finished Izalith would look like.
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Acute Grill posted:The remaster is being farmed out to a different company so any genuine upgrades to the game are off the table, sadly. We'll never know what an actially finished Izalith would look like. A second Bed of Chaos. 
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Feb 19, 2018 01:36
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Come on down to Mattress Store of Chaos
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I didn't really have a strategy with the archive boars. I just hit them with whatever weapon I had and by that point my hits were strong enough that it didn't really matter much how armored it was. Then again I might have had a lightning weapon so who knows
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What even is the strategy for the boars in the Archive? Their arses are covered up so the only options are to cherry-tap them to death or just run past them. It's the end of the game and you either have a sword big enough to kill them, magic or fire. Who needs strategy at that point? Acute Grill posted:The remaster is being farmed out to a different company so any genuine upgrades to the game are off the table, sadly. We'll never know what an actially finished Izalith would look like. Maybe we'll get a glitch that just removes izalith from the game.
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Simply Simon posted:The boars don't respawn, but the last one always drops the helmet if you haven't gotten one before. Musta been a short farming session The boat helmet is the most metal loving thing in a very metal game. Its stats are sub optimal but I will always wear it no matter what.
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Acute Grill posted:Come on down to Mattress Store of Chaos Big Y'golonac's Bedframes of Disorder is having its fifth solid decade of "end of the world" sales and prices have gone completely entropic!
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Novum posted:The boat helmet is the most metal loving thing in a very metal game. Its stats are sub optimal but I will always wear it no matter what. I wish there was a boat helmet. In 2 there's a bell helmet. If someone shoots you in the head with an arrow it makes a bell sound.
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Nuebot posted:I wish there was a boat helmet. I want obscure webcomic character Boatface in Dark Souls
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What even is the strategy for the boars in the Archive? Their arses are covered up so the only options are to cherry-tap them to death or just run past them. They didn't change a thing about the completely unfinished co-op zones from the dark souls 2 DLCs for scholar, so I wouldn't expect a thing to change about Butt Lake except maybe more bloom to obscure the butts, prompting new 40-minute lore videos about how our understanding of butts changes when we can't clearly see them for what they truly are
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John Murdoch posted:My only issue with the boar is that, as goofy as this will sound, it's a little too unwieldy. There's a number of decent options for dealing with it, but enacting any of them (besides just ignoring it) is cumbersome for a new player. It's also placed in close proximity to the very tricky puzzle of the double archers and their undead buddies. Yeah, I think the issue with the boar is that it's surrounded by archers so it's a pain in the rear end to experiment with ways to beat it. If you took the underground route to get to it like I'm guessing most players do it's also a decently long run from a bonfire.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:The real tragedy behind the lock-on fail is that I was trying to get back to the Undead Parish, where I had died to the big armored boar and left close to 8000 souls This is my one of my favorite things about Dark Souls: Seeing new players get into the game. It's legit tied for my favorite video game ever and I've played it about a million times, so I get to relive playing it for the first time through other people. I quoted this in particular because I thought "Only 8000?" and had to remind myself that is a big deal on your first time through when you don't know what's coming next.
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Novum posted:The boat helmet is the most metal loving thing in a very metal game. Its stats are sub optimal but I will always wear it no matter what. One of my favorite builds was a caveman; boar helm, smallest loincloth, biggest club, disembodied head instead of a shield. I used to hang out and help people get Kalameet's tail with that build, so much fun.
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My friend and I would have competitions to see who could lose more souls at one time. He lost the last time by only losing 32 million in like NG4.
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