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Ytlaya posted:No, he isn't right. The default assumption should be that difference in behavior are due to environmental causes, absent any evidence that they can be attributed to genetics/biology. This is because genetic differences between populations are far too minor to have any sort of noticeable effect on phenotypes as ridiculously complex as intelligence or behavior (barring "catastrophic" things like having some sort of genetic disorder or something, but that wouldn't be relevant to discussing entire ethnic groups). On the other hand, we do know that environment has a huge impact on behavior and intelligence. So basically you have a situation where you have two possible causes; one that has been shown time and time again to have a huge impact on behavior/intelligence, and the other where there's no clear evidence that the set of traits that differ between populations impacts them. It makes sense to assume the former is the case unless you can specifically point to a consistent genetic difference between ethnic groups and show a causal relationship between it and some behavioral trait. Yeah I don't think lay people should try to question the findings of scientists. That's what peer review is for. What you are describing is mostly a mathematical problem and is something that should be able to be put into a hypothesis, tested and peer reviewed. If that's been done, he is indeed wrong.
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Main Paineframe posted:In a session Lawson attended, a Trump supporter acknowledged that the GOP has had a spotty record on racial matters, but it's important to him that Blues know that's not why he holds his opinions. this might have been true before trump made it so all their terrible opinions they felt shamed out of voicing were perfectly acceptable also in an extra level of funny for trump himself the only thing he wants is approval of fancy new york elites
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Shear Modulus posted:this might have been true before trump made it so all their terrible opinions they felt shamed out of voicing were perfectly acceptable actually, I posted that because it boils down to "sure, I voted for racists, but I think it's important that you realize that I didn't vote for them because they were racist, and it's terrible of you to shame me for voting for racists"
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lol david brooks basically plagiarizing the big lebowski https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/966015273001213953
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Main Paineframe posted:actually, I posted that because it boils down to "sure, I voted for racists, but I think it's important that you realize that I didn't vote for them because they were racist, and it's terrible of you to shame me for voting for racists" its still true that pre-escalator, fringe ideas like limiting legal migration and building the wall werent ok to say in polite conversation and now they are the normalization of those things is also why people are now claiming that they support them but not for any racist reasons
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Shear Modulus posted:its still true that pre-escalator, fringe ideas like limiting legal migration and building the wall werent ok to say in polite conversation and now they are Enforcing/dictating limits on immigration is one of the fundamental things a nation is supposed to do.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Enforcing/dictating limits on immigration is one of the fundamental things a nation is supposed to do. Woooooooooooooooooosh
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WampaLord posted:Woooooooooooooooooosh Sorry I'm too many levels of irony deep.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Sorry I'm too many levels of irony deep. Shear Modulus is saying that pre-escalator, immigration policy people never ever talked about "build a giant fuckoff wall" as a possible solution. Now they do. Don't counter that by going "but but but a country can't just let unlimited people in!"
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lol david brooks basically plagiarizing the big lebowski lmao david brooks really leaning into bein a piece of poo poo just rolling around in it
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punk rebel ecks posted:What's worse? The New York Times or The Economist? has the economist tried to hire actual nazis?
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GoluboiOgon posted:has the economist tried to hire actual nazis? they did give mcardle her first job writing for a publication iirc, if you don’t count her work with the kochs
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WampaLord posted:Shear Modulus is saying that pre-escalator, immigration policy people never ever talked about "build a giant fuckoff wall" as a possible solution. Now they do. He said both walls and limiting immigration. So I'm saying people have been talking about limiting immigration in private AND public for a long time, well before Trump invented it out of thin-air. Even The Wall was talked about (and implemented) in border states long before trump.
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conservatives used to have the fig leaf of "only wanting to prevent illegal immigration" that's dropped off entirely because of course it has
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:He said both walls and limiting immigration. Limiting LEGAL migration, which was never a major point of contention before.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:conservatives used to have the fig leaf of "only wanting to prevent illegal immigration" WampaLord posted:Limiting LEGAL migration, which was never a major point of contention before. yeah this
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:lmao david brooks really leaning into bein a piece of poo poo Wait till you see what he said about the Iraq War.
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Mercrom posted:Yeah I don't think lay people should try to question the findings of scientists. That's what peer review is for. What you are describing is mostly a mathematical problem and is something that should be able to be put into a hypothesis, tested and peer reviewed. If that's been done, he is indeed wrong. lmao "I'm just a simple poster but I trust steven Pinker and I think he is right, there's a great burden of proof in science and since you're a layman, well I'm just gonna go on and keep trusting pinker until some science types do their science and disprove him
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:lmao "I'm just a simple poster but I trust steven Pinker and I think he is right, there's a great burden of proof in science and since you're a layman, well I'm just gonna go on and keep trusting pinker until some science types do their science and disprove him disprove what
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Mercrom posted:disprove what that's what I'm saying, you're calling for peer review as if loose opinions or really, differing schools of thought are resolved like that. or as if peer review would exclude studies which contradict previous ones. it's nonsensical, and its double nonsensical for a layman to avoid responding to another layman while falsely appealing to scientific authority. just post bitch
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are you sure you are following the conversation. i was defending what Pinker had said according to Main Paineframe regarding scepticism on the issue. Ytlaya suggested the matter is settled and i asked for evidence
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Mercrom posted:are you sure you are following the conversation. i was defending what Pinker had said according to Main Paineframe regarding scepticism on the issue. Ytlaya suggested the matter is settled and i asked for evidence pinker is a shithead who tries to avoid being called a racist while quietly reinventing race science you're an idiot who came into C-SPAM for the sole purpose of defending racist pop scientists
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Mercrom posted:are you sure you are following the conversation. i was defending what Pinker had said according to Main Paineframe regarding scepticism on the issue. Ytlaya suggested the matter is settled and i asked for evidence you were doing it like a moron and I called you a moron for it.
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Main Paineframe posted:pinker is a shithead who tries to avoid being called a racist while quietly reinventing race science Slim Jim Pickens posted:you were doing it like a moron and I called you a moron for it.
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Shear Modulus posted:its still true that pre-escalator, fringe ideas like limiting legal migration and building the wall werent ok to say in polite conversation and now they are lol 700 miles of fence passed the senate with a ridic majority in 06 a wall is a difference of degree not kind
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Tunicate posted:lol 700 miles of fence passed the senate with a ridic majority in 06 As an aside: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00262 quote:Biden (D-DE), Yea http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll446.xml quote:NOES
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When you let algorithms do the programming https://twitter.com/MicahGrimes/status/966335459789066240
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/nytmedia/status/966179438433132544 the FAILING new york times
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/nytmedia/status/966179438433132544 LOL in a couple of months they'll be welcoming alex jones to their op-ed page
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alex jones would never stoop to being employed by nyc elites he's clearly a shoo in for wapo's opinion page alongside mcmegan
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/nytmedia/status/966179438433132544 that particular columnist has already written two "Fox News Said A Thing" articles in 2018, and a couple more commenting on right-wing media in general. seems to be his go-to for material also, they're feeling their usual compulsion for both sides-ism, since they're driving the story so hard in the first place. i'm already sick of seeing "gee, why why is the school shooting story still getting headlines" stories from the same loving people who write the headlines
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/nytmedia/status/966179438433132544 This seems to have been deleted, what was it?
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Misogynice Job! posted:This seems to have been deleted, what was it? NYT posted:"The conspiracy theories about the students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School seem far-fetched. But they are finding a broad and prominent audience online. http://nyti.ms/2okgCEU"
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