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ZenVulgarity posted:BIO BROLY loving SUCKS Not even Broly fans like to talk about Bio Broly. Not even BT3 added Bio Broly as a playable character. No one likes remembering Bio Broly happened.
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Feb 24, 2018 04:19
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ZenVulgarity posted:BIO BROLY loving SUCKS
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Feb 24, 2018 04:19
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Dias posted:Strength forgives all, but selling yourself to get more strength and LOSING is shameful. That's pride. That's fuckin' Vegeta, for Christ's sake. Jiren has done poo poo his way and he's stronger than the prospective GoD and apparently the actual GoD. You mention angels and UI, but they haven't said "if you train with me you'll unlock this poo poo" ever. Whis has foreshadowed it as the final result of the training but it's not like Goku knew it was coming. So why care? Jiren cares about being the strongest and cleaning up poo poo his way. That's the same thing I'm arguing but you're taking it backwards; Jiren cares about being the Strongest, and he has been clear when he says 'Strength Forgives all'. He only cares about not losing, because that's shameful. That doesn't mean not training with the Angels; if they make him strong, then that's all the matters. There's no 'that's not my way' because he has no way other then wanting to be 'stronger', because Strength is all that Matters. He says that. He is similar to Vegeta but unlike Vegeta who gets pride from other things, his only Pride is in his strength. If you're only prideful in your strength and you say 'Strength forgives all' and 'Strength is all that matters', you can't say that doing something is against your pride when the only thing that your pride matters about is being strong.
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Feb 24, 2018 04:23
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Why is Jiren even a pride trooper if he thinks trust is dumb. It’s not like they can give him even reasonable sparring
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Feb 24, 2018 04:25
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ZenVulgarity posted:BIO BROLY loving SUCKS I guess you didn't end up drunk enough in time?
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Feb 24, 2018 04:27
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Kashuno posted:Why is Jiren even a pride trooper if he thinks trust is dumb. It’s not like they can give him even reasonable sparring Possibly association with his GoD?
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Feb 24, 2018 04:30
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Jiren doesn’t give a poo poo about the celestial beauracracy and is more powerful than the current GoD or next one. If Belmod was the evil dude from the story, Jiren could teach him a thing or two already
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Feb 24, 2018 04:33
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bio broly is so weird. goten, trunks, krillin, and 18 are the main characters? what? did they just pick the supporting cast out of a hat...?
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Feb 24, 2018 04:35
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Stallion Cabana posted:That's the same thing I'm arguing but you're taking it backwards; Jiren cares about being the Strongest, and he has been clear when he says 'Strength Forgives all'. He only cares about not losing, because that's shameful. That doesn't mean not training with the Angels; if they make him strong, then that's all the matters. There's no 'that's not my way' because he has no way other then wanting to be 'stronger', because Strength is all that Matters. He says that. You basically disagree with the basic core concept of "strength meaning everything" not meaning "you should lie cheat and steal to beat people". Jiren never played that card, so I think it's stupid to argue his obsession with strength is beating people via whichever means. He overcome the Angels' disciples, he FEELS like he's the strongest. His strength is the only one that matters. Vegeta literally went "gently caress UI I'LL DO IT MY WAY" too.
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Feb 24, 2018 04:40
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Everything about Bio Broly just sucks. I mean just look at him, he looks like goddamn poo poo.
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Feb 24, 2018 04:41
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Stallion Cabana posted:That's the same thing I'm arguing but you're taking it backwards; Jiren cares about being the Strongest, and he has been clear when he says 'Strength Forgives all'. He only cares about not losing, because that's shameful. That doesn't mean not training with the Angels; if they make him strong, then that's all the matters. There's no 'that's not my way' because he has no way other then wanting to be 'stronger', because Strength is all that Matters. He says that. I'd go with his whole "trust is bullshit" angle to explain it; not super conducive to being interested in a teacher
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Feb 24, 2018 04:48
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Jiren being a Pride Trooper is a means to an end. It gives him access to a useful network of informants that lets him fight Strong Guys often so he can become stronger. It's not more complicated than that.
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Feb 24, 2018 05:40
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maybe jiren joined because he likes the uniform
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Feb 24, 2018 05:42
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I think people are overlooking the more obvious contraction of Jiren saying he was searching for something beyond strength and then being all "nah strength is where it's at" an episode later
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Feb 24, 2018 05:46
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He wants the Super Dragonballs which have nothing to do with strength
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Feb 24, 2018 06:01
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I think people are overlooking the more obvious contraction of Jiren saying he was searching for something beyond strength and then being all "nah strength is where it's at" an episode later That's apparently a fault with the translation rather than the writing, Herms commented soon after the subs came out that Jiren's line in Japanese had a different connotation, something closer to finding strength beyond strength rather than just something entirely different that could only be obtained after gaining strength. Sadly I can't find the tweet itself to quote though.
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Feb 24, 2018 06:02
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Raditz got to fight his ghost dad in the "Fateful Brothers" episode of Budokai Tenkaichi 2. I think that is the only interaction they have ever had. Raditz also said he missed his dad which is pretty sentimental for a Saiyan.
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Feb 24, 2018 06:04
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Stallion Cabana posted:Okay I keep seeing this but I'll go ahead and answer, because either people are forgetting what was said by the show or they are stringently ignoring it- or have come up with their own reasonings that they aren't sharing-, and it's really annoying to act like the show has been consistent when it hasn't been. I know that you are just going to ignore me, but whatever. I don’t see how being disinterested in being GOD has to do with inconsistent characterization? I get it’s a path you want to see him go down but those are two different things. Like they make a huge deal about how he is stronger than GOd so that obviously doesn’t work. I also don’t see why I would ignore you other than the fact your post doesn’t seem to have much to do with mine.
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Feb 24, 2018 06:17
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just realized that hit is universe 6's tien
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Feb 24, 2018 06:38
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t see how being disinterested in being GOD has to do with inconsistent characterization? It's an inconsistent characterization because a character who only wants to be strong looks at a clear path to be strong and goes 'no thank you'. That doesn't make sense, at all. It's just how it is. Nothing changes that it doesn't make sense. It's not a path I want him to go down at all. I want a path where the character of Jiren is consistent. I want a show where the antagonist actually feels consistent, because despite arguments otherwise, Jiren really does feel like they completely rewrote his character like 4 episodes ago. As for the last one, ehhh, that's not really true but meta discussions on posting habits aren't exactly interesting either.
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Feb 24, 2018 06:43
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But there is no inconsistency outside a scenario you made up whole cloth
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Feb 24, 2018 06:46
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He is STRONGER than the goddamn next GoD and apparently the current GoD. He's also proud/arrogant as gently caress, and that's been consistent. Why would he look for help from weaker people? You're also pretending UI was common knowledge AND that he didn't match Goku punch for punch when he first unlocked it AND that Whis actively said "stick with me and i'll teach you in two months how to react instantly">
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Feb 24, 2018 06:49
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Yes it is inconsistent that a guy who literally only cares about strength and getting stronger would ignore a teacher like an Angel, who is the strongest person in a universe. This isn't that difficult. There's no inconsistency that I made up 'whole cloth', I'm literally just talking about the last few episodes where him not being a GoD Candidate makes no sense when all he cares about is getting stronger. There's larger inconsistencies then that but I'm literally just focusing on that single part, which isn't one that doesn't make sense. Jiren believes only strength matters. There is someone stronger then him. Rather then attempting to become stronger and learn from them, he decides it's not worth his time, despite the fact that through learning with this person he could unlock strength far greater then anything simply like 'punching' someone, a strength that does more then make you great at punching, but instead gives you the power to straight up delete things, a great power beyond anything learned by just punching people. You could almost call it 'A Strength beyond Strength.' He either was not offered this, or did not take it.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:06
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I mean if you want to believe that than you do you. As obviously this is going nowhere as I find your argument unconvincing. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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Feb 24, 2018 07:07
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Stallion Cabana posted:Yes it is inconsistent that a guy who literally only cares about strength and getting stronger would ignore a teacher like an Angel, who is the strongest person in a universe. nice merton
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Feb 24, 2018 07:08
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When Jiren says he wants something beyond strength, he means that he wants to gently caress good
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Feb 24, 2018 07:10
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Sockser posted:When Jiren says he wants something beyond strength, he means that he wants to gently caress good Sadly he gets confused on how that works and just wishes for panties.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:12
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Sockser posted:When Jiren says he wants something beyond strength, he means that he wants to gently caress good So, Goku had that which was beyond strength this whole time. How ironic.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:12
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chiasaur11 posted:So, Goku had that which was beyond strength this whole time. I said gently caress good Goku is totally an awful lay
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Feb 24, 2018 07:13
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He's not otherwise chichi would have divorced him a long time ago
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Feb 24, 2018 07:20
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Stairmaster posted:just realized that hit is universe 6's tien Hit v Jiren does kinda remind me of Tien vs Tamborine, now that you mention it
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Feb 24, 2018 07:31
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Stairmaster posted:He's not otherwise chichi would have divorced him a long time ago He's a great kisser. He just never learned you can kiss mouths, too.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:36
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Whether or not Jiren is consistent, I think the far bigger issue is that Jiren is really, really boring.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:38
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He’s fine but I think it would be helpful if we got what his wish would be.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:39
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We don't even know if all the Angels are like Whis and are willing to train other people like Goku and Vegeta.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:41
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BurningDance posted:We don't even know if all the Angels are like Whis and are willing to train other people like Goku and Vegeta. that's part of my argument; it seems to be a thing that only Whis does, given the quality of other universes. But Angels are the trainers of Gods of Destruction, and thus by that logic, their students. If you wanted to train with an Angel and you aren't Goku and Vegeta, it seems like you need to be a GoD or a GoD in training.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:47
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u7 is on the bottom end of the quality scale tho so I'm not sure what you mean aren't they like second to last?
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Feb 24, 2018 07:49
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Stairmaster posted:just realized that hit is universe 6's tien No wonder he owns so much.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:53
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Seems to me that, if Jiren is indeed a Superman-esque dude who refuses to kill to the point he doesn't want to ring people out even this deep into the competition (continually telling and asking Vegeta to ring himself out, for instance, until it's clear he has no choice but do it himself), that he probably doesn't want to be GoD, whether it gives him power or something beyond power or not. Their whole schtick is killing to keep balance. I don't think that's Jiren's style at all.
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Stallion Cabana posted:that's part of my argument; it seems to be a thing that only Whis does, given the quality of other universes. But Angels are the trainers of Gods of Destruction, and thus by that logic, their students. If you wanted to train with an Angel and you aren't Goku and Vegeta, it seems like you need to be a GoD or a GoD in training. Yeah and Vegeta wants strength and he actively refused poo poo because he doesn't want to copy Goku.
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