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If You Think About It, The Divine Comedy Is The World's First Thinkpiece
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Feb 26, 2018 17:40
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J_RBG posted:If You Think About It, The Divine Comedy Is The World's First Fan fic fixed
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Feb 26, 2018 17:43
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Mel Mudkiper posted:fixed nah first fan fic is the Aeneid
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Feb 26, 2018 17:45
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:nah first fan fic is the Aeneid Nah that's the first studio reboot
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Feb 26, 2018 17:46
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I also never understood why Austens novels are considered feminist since they explicitly deal with wealthy landed gentry finding husbands.
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Feb 26, 2018 18:06
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It's not because it advocates or promotes gender equality, but because it explores the nature of gender, feminity, their relation to society and politics, etc.
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Feb 26, 2018 18:23
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's not because it advocates or promotes gender equality, but because it explores the nature of gender, feminity, their relation to society and politics, etc. Well sure I get it as a historical antecedent but I don't get why people read it as feminist now. Like, there lacks any sort of transgression or analysis in both the plotting and writing. The stories typically end happily with the heroines returned to the status quo.
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Feb 26, 2018 18:26
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Who's the first literary feminist? Anything before Euripides?
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Feb 26, 2018 18:39
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Well sure I get it as a historical antecedent but I don't get why people read it as feminist now. Like, there lacks any sort of transgression or analysis in both the plotting and writing. The stories typically end happily with the heroines returned to the status quo. A few arguments: 1) clear consistent strong female voices and characterization which is something that is relatively rare even today 2) 1st wave feminism is still feminism; 3) Austen's heroines are transgressive within the context of their society -- rebellious, seeking place "above their station," being intelligent and getting rewarded for it, etc. -- which upholds transgressiveness as an ideal generally even in other contexts 4) Austen also spends a lot of time deconstructing the ideals of the patriarchal system her heroines are caught in; shows unhappy marriages, women smarter than their husbands, illustrates toxic implications of gender roles, etc. see e g https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3662001
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Feb 26, 2018 18:39
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A few arguments: I just wanted you to know I've been reading Pride & Prejudice and have been referring to that thread for extra reading. I know it's a few years past, but you put in a lot of good work in that thread, which I really appreciate.
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Feb 26, 2018 18:50
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Franchescanado posted:I just wanted you to know I've been reading Pride & Prejudice and have been referring to that thread for extra reading. I know it's a few years past, but you put in a lot of good work in that thread, which I really appreciate. Not finishing it out was one of my biggest regrets on this forum >_< I think there's enough there to get people over the hurdle into reading the book though. Thanks!
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Feb 26, 2018 18:59
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A few arguments: Yeah that's fair. I guess my problem is that it's so total in it's ignorance of all other privilege I struggle to give it credit for where it's actually biting.
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Feb 26, 2018 19:23
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writer born in 18th century not intersectional enough for me
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Feb 26, 2018 20:14
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Officer Sandvich posted:writer born in 18th century not intersectional enough for me
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Feb 26, 2018 20:31
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah that's fair. I guess my problem is that it's so total in it's ignorance of all other privilege I struggle to give it credit for where it's actually biting. I think the counterpoint there is she's setting up a model for every other later satire of privilege. Sure she's writing within a limited perspective but quote:You could not shock her more than she shocks me; She's breaking it down to the basics that matter, seventy years before Marx. It's always the most relatively privileged among the disadvantaged who lead the revolutions. It's not just coincidence that Piketty cites Austen so often in his book. There's a reason. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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Feb 26, 2018 20:38
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Officer Sandvich posted:writer born in 18th century not intersectional enough for me Doesn't matter when the author was born, 0nly the reader
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Feb 26, 2018 21:13
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gorbonic posted:And as far as literary genre goes, Jane Austen was recently called a dystopian writer in an author interview with Chandler Klang Smith and it makes a certain sense: "I think that Austen’s novels are among the most dystopian I’ve ever read, in terms of showing characters (especially women) chewed up by a human-made system that slots them into narrow roles." Why even use the term dystopia? Depicting systems of class and gender doesn't make your novel dystopic. Ras Het posted:Who's the first literary feminist? Anything before Euripides? I'm sure someone would term Sapho feminist. Mel Mudkiper posted:Doesn't matter when the author was born, 0nly the reader Hmmm
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Feb 26, 2018 21:28
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whatevz fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Feb 26, 2018 21:32
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Doesn't matter when the author was born, 0nly the reader stop this mel
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Feb 26, 2018 21:34
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chernobyl kinsman posted:stop this mel I will not stop speaking truth to power
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Feb 26, 2018 21:35
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whatevz fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Feb 26, 2018 21:49
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Some real poo poo right here but this is exactly why I loathe activists and their 'movements' these days. All these little white kids don't feel financially secure for the first time and now they're fighting for blacks but still hate poor whites, and then call for revolution over a meme. Lmao Dunno what the gently caress you are talking about. I mean even in an American context this is dumb.
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Feb 26, 2018 21:57
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All American things are dumb.
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Feb 26, 2018 22:03
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"Besides her Joyce seems as innocent as grass" Grass isn't innocent at all, it likes to get shat on, much like Joyce. pleasecallmechrist posted:now they're fighting for blacks but still hate poor whites, and then call for revolution over a meme. Lmao thank you for posting once again in this, the literature thread
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Feb 26, 2018 23:46
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Some real poo poo right here but this is exactly why I loathe activists and their 'movements' these days. All these little white kids don't feel financially secure for the first time and now they're fighting for blacks but still hate poor whites, and then call for revolution over a meme. Lmao its definitely the wealthy white kids who are in charge of *gestures hand vaguely* activism
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Feb 26, 2018 23:51
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Actually I think you will find it is not a cabal, but the ideology itself which is in control.
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Feb 27, 2018 00:35
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i appreciate pleasecallmechrist's bad posts, he's like derp before the thread tamed him
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Feb 27, 2018 01:06
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Northanger Abbey is p. good and funny. I think that’s the only Austen novel I’ve read.
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Feb 27, 2018 02:22
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WatermelonGun posted:Northanger Abbey is p. good and funny. I think that’s the only Austen novel I’ve read. Fix that. Northanger Abbey is awfully good, but it was my least favorite out of all of Austen's novels. (note: I haven't read Emma.) Eugene V. Dubstep fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Feb 27, 2018 |
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Feb 27, 2018 02:57
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Ras Het posted:Who's the first literary feminist? Anything before Euripides? Serious post, but its been said that "everything is in the prologue to The Second Sex" by Simone de Beauvoir so yeah not the "first" but perhaps one of the first literary feminists in a modern sense.
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Feb 27, 2018 06:29
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Related, I am reading belle hook's Talking Back right now and if you are at all interested in how race, class, and sex (book is dated to the 80s so perhaps predates the term "intersectionality") interact in a person's education and personal growth its a hard one to beat. Have never read any Jane Austin but if we have a group read I'd be keen I guess.
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Feb 27, 2018 06:33
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The Passion According to G.H. is the best piece of feminist writing.
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Feb 27, 2018 08:24
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Some real poo poo right here but this is exactly why I loathe activists and their 'movements' these days. All these little white kids don't feel financially secure for the first time and now they're fighting for blacks but still hate poor whites, and then call for revolution over a meme. Lmao At least your posts are one movement the activists have yet to get their hands on
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Feb 27, 2018 09:05
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:Fix that. Northanger Abbey is awfully good, but it was my least favorite out of all of Austen's novels. (note: I haven't read Emma.) Emma is cool, unlike Emma.
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Feb 27, 2018 11:52
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Has anyone ever collected Widow Wadman's drawn onto Tristram Shandy's blank page?
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Feb 27, 2018 15:07
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Mr. Squishy posted:Has anyone ever collected Widow Wadman's drawn onto Tristram Shandy's blank page? When I lived in York I went to an exhibition of this in Leeds: https://blankpage147.wordpress.com/ Shandy Hall is a short drive away and Laurence Sterne worked at York Minster. So anyway it's been done though obviously it should be done more often
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Feb 27, 2018 15:18
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J_RBG posted:When I lived in York I went to an exhibition of this in Leeds: https://blankpage147.wordpress.com/ holy poo poo this owns
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Feb 27, 2018 18:47
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:Fix that. Northanger Abbey is awfully good, but it was my least favorite out of all of Austen's novels. (note: I haven't read Emma.) NA becomes exponentially funnier the more other gothic fiction you've read, I think.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:59
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:Fix that. Northanger Abbey is awfully good, but it was my least favorite out of all of Austen's novels. (note: I haven't read Emma.) I might do that next. I’m almost done with Kadare’s The Siege and I need something with more estates and long walks and less sectarian violence.
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Feb 28, 2018 05:42
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quit reading this thread and read some real literature
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