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zamasu also had fun bits, like the evil hug and sitting around in their cabin retreat drinking tea. His huge ego and him just losing it because these god drat mortals keep getting in the way of his plans was great. He was a smart competent villain.
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Did Jiren get the evil hug? No, Jiren did not get the evil hug. Jiren did not even get a justice hug. Jiren is inferior.
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TheKingofSprings posted:We knew that though? I haven't seen anything that confirms we were getting another series after the movie other than "well they'd be stupid not to" Pureauthor posted:Did Jiren get the evil hug? Maybe that's why jiren is such an rear end in a top hat, he just wants a hug but everyone who would have hugged him was murdered.
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Mar 9, 2018 17:24
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Zamasu had a conversation with himself where he acknowledged that he made flowery speeches even when he knew no one was listening, simply because he loved to hear himself talk. And that it was a truly god-like thing to do. Zamasu was amazing.
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Mar 9, 2018 17:27
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Zamasu is unironically one of my top Dragon Ball villains, he's got way more going for him than Cell and any of Buu's forms. Jiren has stage presence but his personality and agenda is a wet fart in comparison.
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Mar 9, 2018 17:30
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The Zamasu arc in general had a lot more character to it, it feels like.
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Mar 9, 2018 17:31
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Zamasu winning is canon. Zeno retconning is simultaneously also canon.
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Justin_Brett posted:The Zamasu arc in general had a lot more character to it, it feels like. Becasue for all its pacing issues, the Goku Black arc was about Goku and Gang vs Goku Black and his best friend, himself, so all the characters get a lot of focus. (Plus, fair enough, the main antagonists also have way more character) The ToP has been run as a MotW show where enemies obediently line up to be clowned on by Universe 7 one after the other.
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Pureauthor posted:Becasue for all its pacing issues, the Goku Black arc was about Goku and Gang vs Goku Black and his best friend, himself, so all the characters get a lot of focus. (Plus, fair enough, the main antagonists also have way more character) It also had future trunks back. It was fun seeing him interact with the mainline characters again and seeing happier times. The scenes in which he interacts with adult gohan are some of the best character work in the series. I still like ToP because it has a lot of great moments, but the Zamasu arc seems to have flowed better.
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Probably the neatest thing about Zamasu is that he isn't a I'M SO EVIL villain in the anime. He's completely convinced he's the good guy and what he's doing is right and the best thing not only for himself but for all universes. The manga heavily dials up his evil but in the anime I can fully believe that he's deluded enough to think that total annihilation of mortals and failed gods is for the best. Because he's right, obviously. Fusions also gives all his forms the Pure Heart skill, they're all immune to the Devilmite Beam. With Jiren I'm not sure how I'm meant to see him. In the manga he's clearly a hero, but in the anime he's self-centered and his values are all over the place.
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I feel like the last episode is going to be good because of <spoiler> but also going to absolutely suck
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Blockhouse posted:https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/972038504992587776 Huh, that's interesting to know. Though I am curious if the plot beat that Goku went too far in his punchmans addiction and caused the ToP was also from Toriyama. And whether it was also Toriyama or the anime writers who decided to backpedal on that. Pureauthor posted:Becasue for all its pacing issues, the Goku Black arc was about Goku and Gang vs Goku Black and his best friend, himself, so all the characters get a lot of focus. (Plus, fair enough, the main antagonists also have way more character) It also helps that while the arc had pacing issues, every episode either built up on the mystery of Goku Black, moved the plot along, or had character development for the characters. On the other hand, the ToP is just one long tournament arc and there's really no ongoing plot or even a sub-plot to help mix things up.
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Remember when we all thought there was sure to be a Trunks, Marron and Goten filler episode?
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To be fair people would have hated it had that happened.
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To be honest if it meant the other episodes were paced better, I would have been fine with a two parter of them fighting off poachers.
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Blockhouse posted:https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/972038504992587776 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY This scene came to my mind while reading this. Sometimes when Toei consulted Toriyama the chicken landed on "cool girlfriend for Braly", some other times it landed on "stoic with default shonen protagonist backstory".
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Mar 9, 2018 19:31
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Writing new characters in suddenly is a Dragonball Z tradition going back to the Android arc.
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be fair people would have hated it had that happened. wrong well, I suppose there are some broke brained people that would have, so sort of correct but mostly wrong
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the thing isn't gonna have enough time to wrap up as it is, let alone if it had filler like that
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Kashuno posted:the thing isn't gonna have enough time to wrap up as it is, let alone if it had filler like that What if they cut out the Tien and U4 episodes and replaced them with poacher punching?
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I'm not getting this thread's poacher fetish to be honest, the premise overstayed its welcome in 17's two-parter. How many more poachers do we need?
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Mar 9, 2018 20:23
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Blaze Dragon posted:Probably the neatest thing about Zamasu is that he isn't a I'M SO EVIL villain in the anime. He's completely convinced he's the good guy and what he's doing is right and the best thing not only for himself but for all universes. I mean, sort of. He sincerely believes in what he's doing. It's just that he also believes that he is the best and the coolest and the only person who really has any business existing in the first place.
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multijoe posted:I'm getting getting this thread's poacher fetish to be honest, the premise overstayed its welcome in 17's two-parter. How many more poachers do we need? I'm pretty sure we're all just yearning for something other than a straight up tournament for 30 episodes and that's the most obvious thing that comes to mind. We'd probably all be happy with anything else just as well.
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I want Krillin and Yamcha as crime fighters, while keeping Yamcha as a professional baseball player on the side.
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why did toryiama think it was a good idea not to give toei a description of the antagonists personality....
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multijoe posted:I'm not getting this thread's poacher fetish to be honest, the premise overstayed its welcome in 17's two-parter. How many more poachers do we need? I just want to see if Marron is secretly a Combat Monster like the rest of them because she inherited 18's nanomachine horseshit.
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Momomo posted:I'm pretty sure we're all just yearning for something other than a straight up tournament for 30 episodes and that's the most obvious thing that comes to mind. We'd probably all be happy with anything else just as well. Yeah a 'Meanwhile, Yamcha' episode or something would have been a good breather but I'd rather take a mediocre mainline episode over mediocre filler given the choice, god knows we had enough of those between the Exhibition Match mini-arc and actual start of the ToP.
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slice of life episodes are some of the best. so Marron punching a poacher into a fine mist could've been awesome edit: speaking of, Marron should be like, crazy strong by dbz standards, right? Krillin is the strongest human, and 18 is above SSJ levels, using lamarckian dbz bullshit, that's gotta result in a crazy strong little girl. Chi-chi, Bulma, and Videl aren't that strong, so Marron should be on course for like, GoD+ level strong Slightly Absurd fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Stairmaster posted:why did toryiama think it was a good idea not to give toei a description of the antagonists personality.... He did in the case of Jiren, it’s just not a personality the fans wanted.
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Slightly Absurd posted:slice of life episodes are some of the best. so Marron punching a poacher into a fine mist could've been awesome she's never trained and not a saiyan, and she's already grown a few years without showing any interest at all in fighting, so she's likely not got any strength at all, just potential. Also, 18's limitless energy is a function of her cybernetic modification, so it's likely not hereditary.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He did in the case of Jiren, it’s just it’s not a personality the fans wanted. tbf he did it after the fact. But yeah he eventually gave them some semblence of backstory, at least. I still think Jiren works the way the anime has had him, but now I'm curious what ToP would like if he had Toppo's personality like Toei originally planned. I wonder what Toppo's personality as prospective GoD would be without the justice and posing boner.
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esperterra posted:tbf he did it after the fact. But yeah he eventually gave them some semblence of backstory, at least. I meant stoic. That’s a personality, not a terribly interesting one but it still counts.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I meant stoic. I know what you meant, I'm just saying he told them he wasn't a talker AFTER they had gotten his design with no personality and came up with one on their own. He told 'em, but he waited a bit.
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Mar 9, 2018 22:08
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Oh I thought you were talking about his backstory.
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Nah I just worded it like an idiot lol
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Slightly Absurd posted:slice of life episodes are some of the best. so Marron punching a poacher into a fine mist could've been awesome she doesn't have s-cells so lamarckian dbz bullshit does not apply
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Nodosaur posted:she's never trained and not a saiyan, and she's already grown a few years without showing any interest at all in fighting, so she's likely not got any strength at all, just potential. Also, 18's limitless energy is a function of her cybernetic modification, so it's likely not hereditary. Kild posted:she doesn't have s-cells so lamarckian dbz bullshit does not apply Fair points. Plus ultimately, I doubt Toriyama/Toei give a poo poo about her, so that really snuffs out any chance of her being as cool as she should be
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Kashuno posted:the thing isn't gonna have enough time to wrap up as it is, let alone if it had filler like that looking forward to the last episode basically moving at double speed
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last episode is gonna be like 1/4 the final fight, 1/4 people reacting from the stands, 1/4 twist, then 1/4 showing everyone back on earth having a jolly good time but Goku is probably not there
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJE2pWeydTo Goku doesn't understand money. Chi Chi is excited "Sure, go away Goku and train, just stop by every now and then. Now I can afford to send Goten to the best schools." So Chi Chi is resigned to Goku being an absentee father and Goku doesn't get it. Vegeta is a better family man. Mr. Satan is legit stand up dude helping Gohan and Videl and giving the money to Goku.
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