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Hi there grappling thread. I'm looking for pretty entry level leg lock defences. I've spent an hour or so on youtube. From you guys I'm looking no so much for specific techniques but guidelines. ie when opponent has my foot in this position, grab his head to prevent him moving backwards. Or, "don't put your foot there, dummy". Pretty basic stuff only, I've trained a bunch but not leglocks and I've been out of the game for years.
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Count Roland posted:Hi there grappling thread. #1 - Hand fighting. Buddy has your leg? Grab his hands. #2 - Work to get your knee out.
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Apr 3, 2018 21:26
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Count Roland posted:Hi there grappling thread. What do you want to know?  A lot of the poo poo you'll get into can be prevented with a few rules and not being lazy with your feetsies. If you want to start at the basic stuff: 1) If you don't want to get foot locked, make sure that you have both of your feet inside their feet. So, much like the rule about how to avoid getting triangled - never have 1 arm in their guard - either both arms in or neither, similar for foot locks. Examining the bottom of open guard, if you maintain double butterfly hooks, your feet are inside your opponents feet. If you and your opponent were both sitting on your respective butts, if your feet were in between your opponents feet, you'd have inside position (similar to how you want inside position when you're pummeling with your arms for double underhooks). This also leads into the next point: 2) If you don't have inside position, loving get inside position. Bad things happen when your feet are outside of your opponent's feet and start to get isolated. This is same as any other submission in BJJ - trap, isolate, submit. A lot of what you are going to do to defend is to clear issues that are preventing you from regaining posture, and then work on regaining your structure to prevent them from foot locking you. 3) IF you can get heel hooked, be cognizant of where your heels is and if it is exposed. Heel hooks are very solid submissions, so you always want to know where your heel is, and what you are doing to discourage your opponent from attempting to get a heel exposure. A lot of the time, making sure that your other foot is covering your heel to prevent that heel exposure (and eventual heel hook). There may be a nugget in this rambling mess of instructions and half truths and I'm too lazy to delete it or start over  - the best thing is to get into the gym with a leg lock guy and start going through the defences, because drilling >>> reading at this point.EDIT: Remember to not instinctively pull your foot in when your opponent attempts to toehold you. This is exactly the  way to defend the hold, and you're going to hurt your knee. 
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Apr 3, 2018 21:40
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Not that I feel like I am at the same level, but for about a month and a half now I've been doing really well against the blue belts at my school in sparring (tapping them more often than getting tapped). There are one or two guys who will pretty much maul me but the rest I'm actually making it competitive and stopping a lot of their offense and making them go on defense. Granted I've basically been a white belt for forever thanks to moving around and such but it is a nice confidence boost knowing I'm able to be competitive with guys higher up than me when we roll. As for actual grappling question, anyone have suggestions for stretching/yoga stuff to help with a somewhat stiff middle back (like opppsute side of the belly button)? I have a foam roller as well if that helps with making a suggestions. Anyway sorry for the dumb ego post. Just thought I'd share as I've been doing BJJ since 2008 off and on and now that I'm much older I feel like I understand it way more than I did when I was in college. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Apr 4, 2018 03:12
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I know that you weren't looking for technique but this has been helpful for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frvt96SJa58
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Apr 4, 2018 03:29
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JaySB posted:I know that you weren't looking for technique but this has been helpful for me: That looks like an awesome escape, but it is entirely premised that the leg that is being attacked is straight. Most control positions will include some sort of bent leg, as its makes it easier to control (you now have a new handle - their knee) and harder to escape.
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Apr 4, 2018 03:40
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I mean there's the super basic one where you peel the reaping leg and then sit on the other side of it.
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Apr 4, 2018 03:44
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JaySB posted:I know that you weren't looking for technique but this has been helpful for me: this was weird to watch cuz I just moved and train with the guy who isn't firas zahabi there
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Apr 4, 2018 03:46
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I mean there's the super basic one where you peel the reaping leg and then sit on the other side of it. I've gotten a lot of reversals from the bottom against white/blue belts by grabbing a handful of lapel or sleeve and shoving a foot in their armpit. It's like catnip or something. No matter how bad they are at ankle locks they can't help but go for it.
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Apr 4, 2018 04:59
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I mean there's the super basic one where you peel the reaping leg and then sit on the other side of it. Craig jones shows a really good counter to that on his leg attacks from down under. Basically what you do is as they go to peel the foot off, you kick your leg straight (stripping their grip), pummel your inside leg to the same side as your other leg and go to double outside ashi. From there, you can finish the ankle lock, or transition to saddle (get to your knees, sit on their guts, and then slide off into the position). It's basically my favorite counter du jour as everyone attempts to peel the leg off when you attack the initial ankle lock. EDIT: For Count Rolland (  ):http://www.grapplearts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Modern-Leglocks-position-cheat-sheet.pdf Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Apr 4, 2018 04:59
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CommonShore posted:#1 - Hand fighting. Buddy has your leg? Grab his hands. This is great. Thanks to the others too. I can't really move my neck today so I don't know when I'll be back to class. When I do go I'll try and drill some of the base positions.
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Apr 4, 2018 11:03
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Riding a lovely ankle lock into top position/pushing through a lovely toehold until you’re on top is probably the greatest feeling that there is
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Apr 4, 2018 13:59
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Random reminder that Quintet is next Wednesday and will be on UFC Fight Pass Link: https://www.ufc.tv/video/quintet-1
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Apr 4, 2018 16:44
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Riding a lovely ankle lock into top position/pushing through a lovely toehold until you’re on top is probably the greatest feeling that there is this is extremely my poo poo, i love hoisting myself fatly on top of people that think they have my ankles or that i would care even if they did. break them bitch. i never ank
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Apr 4, 2018 16:49
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A guy at my gym passes my guard every time with this super basic move that i can’t stop, and I’m sure it’s because I am missing one simple concept. Hoping you guys can help. In my full guard, puts his face into my belly, grabs near my belt with both hands, elbows tight to my hips and close to the floor. He then pushes back away from me until my guard easily breaks around his very low posture. I think the hands at my sides also have lapel in the grip, to stop me from sitting into him. I’m basically pinned there and he passes his head under a knee to finish. His head is tucked low and goes like a turtle head into his gi so a cross collar choke would just catch his forehead. I haven’t seen or been taught this pass anywhere, so I definitely haven’t seen a counter, but it seems so silly that there must be something I can do.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:26
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Can you break his grips? If he's that tight to you you should be able to 2 on 1 an arm and clamp guard him or something like that to get the offense going.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:35
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when people do poo poo like that to me I frame with one hand on their ear and the other on their hip and start shrimping.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:51
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding but could you do a triangle from that low of a posture?
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Apr 5, 2018 19:09
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VRViperII posted:A guy at my gym passes my guard every time with this super basic move that i can’t stop, and I’m sure it’s because I am missing one simple concept. Hoping you guys can help. Frame and technical stand up into a front headlock.
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Apr 5, 2018 19:13
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Frame and technical stand up into a front headlock. Awesome. Thanks guys. I’ll report news of my victory.
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Apr 5, 2018 22:17
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Any good BJJ podcasts? I listen to Stephan Kesting
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Apr 6, 2018 00:41
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VRViperII posted:A guy at my gym passes my guard every time with this super basic move that i can’t stop, and I’m sure it’s because I am missing one simple concept. Hoping you guys can help. If you do positional sparring at your gym, try doing your best impression of his technique to the upper belts when you get the chance and pay attention to what they do to shut it down, then try to do the same thing to him. If he's one of those upper belts, just ask the other ones straight-up how to deal with it, because goodness knows they've had to think about it even more than you have.
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Apr 6, 2018 03:49
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Nestharken posted:If you do positional sparring at your gym, try doing your best impression of his technique to the upper belts when you get the chance and pay attention to what they do to shut it down, then try to do the same thing to him. If he's one of those upper belts, just ask the other ones straight-up how to deal with it, because goodness knows they've had to think about it even more than you have. Or you could just ask the guy how to defend against it. If he's not a complete turd he'll tell you.
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Apr 6, 2018 04:09
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spb posted:Any good BJJ podcasts? I listen to Stephan Kesting Grappling Central is pretty good, a lot of big names coming on and talking at length about a good mix of technique and personal experiences/stories.
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Apr 6, 2018 04:52
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VRViperII posted:A guy at my gym passes my guard every time with this super basic move that i can’t stop, and I’m sure it’s because I am missing one simple concept. Hoping you guys can help. I use this and similar passes a whole lot. For it to work I need #1 to have your hips stuck to the ground and #2 flatten you out. So you want to be off your back and not getting your hips sucked in underneath me, that's where the battle is. You have a lot of options especially with the gi - spider guard, posting feet on knees/hips, seated guard, etc. This is really an underappreciated skill I think, you can use it to shut out larger or more aggressive guys and it's a defense against people looking to latch on to the hips and stall. In terms of specific techniques/approaches you could maybe look at Marcelo Garcia's seated guard stuff.
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Apr 6, 2018 06:37
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Am I at all off base for wanting to roll my eyes every time one of my coaches talks about needing to represent for "the team" at competitions? The other day one of them brought it up "School X got more points than us last year at this comp so we really want to show up and get the title back."
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Apr 6, 2018 06:58
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If you want
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Apr 6, 2018 12:49
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JaySB posted:Am I at all off base for wanting to roll my eyes every time one of my coaches talks about needing to represent for "the team" at competitions? The other day one of them brought it up "School X got more points than us last year at this comp so we really want to show up and get the title back." Nope. Everyone should be encouraged to compete, but absolutely no one should be forced to compete. Also, rival gyms are like the dumbest poo poo ever. The 80's called, they are tired of your poo poo.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:25
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Drewjitsu posted:Nope. Everyone should be encouraged to compete, but absolutely no one should be forced to compete. It's not even the competition mentality that makes me want to roll my eyes. It's the idea that jiu jitsu is in some way truly a team endeavor.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:38
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It absolutely is! It's hard to get better without training partners, but it doesn't mean you're a slave to the gym. It's a two way street though, not a one way.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:44
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Drewjitsu posted:It absolutely is! It's hard to get better without training partners, but it doesn't mean you're a slave to the gym. It's a two way street though, not a one way. I think it's pretty fair to distinguish trainer partners from team mates. Competition is an individual endeavor. Training is a group endeavor.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:46
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I'm weirded out by dads in camo pants with mohawks screaming as their 9 year old fights my 9 year old at jiu-jitsu tournaments. Like, I haven't heard one of these dudes yell "break it!" yet at little kids, but they get pretty intense over it.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:47
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spacetoaster posted:I'm weirded out by dads in camo pants with mohawks screaming as their 9 year old fights my 9 year old at jiu-jitsu tournaments. Combat sport parents are literally the worst.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:51
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Drewjitsu posted:Nope. Everyone should be encouraged to compete, but absolutely no one should be forced to compete. Apparently at my gym, you don't get blue belt if you've never competed...
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Apr 6, 2018 21:51
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spb posted:Apparently at my gym, you don't get blue belt if you've never competed... Isn't that up to the person in charge though? If they have that rule, then that's just the way it is? I got into bjj because my kids have been doing it forever and I just enjoy the hobby of learning to fight (and also actually fighting). I don't think I'll ever compete, and I'll be just fine if I'm a white belt forever just so long as I get to keep doing it.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:54
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spacetoaster posted:Isn't that up to the person in charge though? If they have that rule, then that's just the way it is? Yes, but it's a stupid rule.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:58
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Yuns can probably speak on this more but my brother told me Renzo's requires you to get three stripes before you can do nogi or free roll at all which I found interesting.
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Apr 6, 2018 22:23
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omg chael crash posted:Yuns can probably speak on this more but my brother told me Renzo's requires you to get three stripes before you can do nogi or free roll at all which I found interesting. I think that's probably fine. Requiring students to have a certain level of proficiency before they train unsupervised or with potentially dangerous attacks is reasonable.
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Apr 6, 2018 22:27
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omg chael crash posted:Yuns can probably speak on this more but my brother told me Renzo's requires you to get three stripes before you can do nogi or free roll at all which I found interesting.
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JaySB posted:Yes, but it's a stupid rule. It's dumb yeah and thinking of changing gyms because of it tbh
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