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Jiren doesnt really seem like a villain to me. Although I dont know what these mysterious Pride Trooper motivations are yet since I didnt look at those spoilers. Ill give you my brain droppings on this matter in a day or so.
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Cell is pretty thin as a character outside of him being an insect that acts on pure instinct But he's also voiced by Norio Wakamoto so he's perfect.
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Apr 6, 2018 22:03
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Jiren isn't a villain what the hell thread.
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Apr 6, 2018 22:09
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He fills the role for the arc
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Apr 6, 2018 22:15
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would antagonist work better for you
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Manatee Cannon posted:would antagonist work better for you Opponent. Future ally in the battle against immoral gods.
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Apr 6, 2018 22:35
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EVGA Longoria posted:Jiren actually fighting is great. This is why I don't get people saying power levels don't matter in Super they have entire sequences where Goku's various transformations are so weak that Jiren can just stand there and not even flinch when hit, same thing with Beerus and SSj3 they very intentionally say "if your power level is not high enough you aren't hurting this dude at all"
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Apr 6, 2018 22:55
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socialsecurity posted:This is why I don't get people saying power levels don't matter in Super they have entire sequences where Goku's various transformations are so weak that Jiren can just stand there and not even flinch when hit, same thing with Beerus and SSj3 they very intentionally say "if your power level is not high enough you aren't hurting this dude at all" Jiren is the ghost of Power Levels past.
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Apr 6, 2018 23:00
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how much power levels matter changes from scene to scene honestly. sometimes it's a lot (like when the bad guy no sells someone's attack, which happens a lot) and sometimes they kinda ignore them for dramatic effect (like krillin's beam struggle with ssb goku) the escalation is a little wonky at times too. any time someone is impressed that a new guy can blow up the planet, I just think back to master roshi blowing up the moon effortlessly in early dragon ball
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Apr 6, 2018 23:06
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Manatee Cannon posted:the escalation is a little wonky at times too. any time someone is impressed that a new guy can blow up the planet, I just think back to master roshi blowing up the moon effortlessly in early dragon ball It wasn't effortless, Roshi grunted and powered up quite a bit to destroy that moon. Piccolo on the other hand destroyed the moon effortlessly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJ-Z1BXMQc
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Apr 6, 2018 23:09
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Manatee Cannon posted:how much power levels matter changes from scene to scene honestly. sometimes it's a lot (like when the bad guy no sells someone's attack, which happens a lot) and sometimes they kinda ignore them for dramatic effect (like krillin's beam struggle with ssb goku) They aren’t impressed someone will blow up the planet; they freak out because blowing it up will kill all the heroes.
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Apr 6, 2018 23:25
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Rutibex posted:It wasn't effortless, Roshi grunted and powered up quite a bit to destroy that moon. Piccolo on the other hand destroyed the moon effortlessly. That video title is subtle, yet brilliant. I approve.
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Apr 6, 2018 23:29
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Manatee Cannon posted:would antagonist work better for you Yes, im much happier now.
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Apr 6, 2018 23:34
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Jiren looked cool while fighting, which is literally all that's required of dragon ball antagonists.
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Apr 6, 2018 23:56
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Ya'll have poo poo taste, but that is your privilege. I can kinda agree that Jiren's fight was cool looking, but we were talking motivation and character. And yes, Garlic Jr. was more interesting.
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Mordaedil posted:Ya'll have poo poo taste, but that is your privilege. None of the villians outside Black and Raditz had much in the way of motivation or character.
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Apr 7, 2018 00:26
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The heroic Pride Troopers starring Jiren losing to the tag-teaming evil of the villanous tyrant Frieza and the battle-hungry saiyan Goku who's never-ending lust for combat thrust them into a tournament for the future of their universes is a pretty clever upset of the usual heroic journey.
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raditz wanted his deadbeat brother to stop skipping out on work and tried to keep gohan away from him. bet he'd have gotten along well with chichi
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Freeza was just doing his job and then these uppity assholes started disrupting workflow.
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Manatee Cannon posted:raditz wanted his deadbeat brother to stop skipping out on work and tried to keep gohan away from him. bet he'd have gotten along well with chichi He just wanted to conquer a planet with his little bro:(
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CharlestheHammer posted:None of the villians outside Black and Raditz had much in the way of motivation or character. Not that I really want to sit down and go through every DB villain, but I really disagree.
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Mordaedil posted:Not that I really want to sit down and go through every DB villain, but I really disagree. Technically they have motivation but they are painfully generic and don’t really come from anything specific to the character. Most villians really exist to be a wall foe the Z fighters, nothing more.
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Mordaedil posted:Not that I really want to sit down and go through every DB villain, but I really disagree. The only dragon ball villains to have any personality are the ones who stayed alive long enough to join the good guys (these are usually also the best ones)
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Apr 7, 2018 01:34
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Sade posted:The only dragon ball villains to have any personality are the ones who stayed alive long enough to join the good guys (these are usually also the best ones) Except Tien. Poor Tien.
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Apr 7, 2018 01:42
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Whoever created the Super Dragon Balls was probably stronger than Zen-Oh, since those dragon balls weren't erased when he erased the other universes. So, there is some power hierarchy above Zen-Oh. Not that it's a big surprise or anything.
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Apr 7, 2018 01:54
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CharlestheHammer posted:Except Tien. dragon ball fighterz biggest accomplishment is making tien badass
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AutumnDDP posted:Whoever created the Super Dragon Balls was probably stronger than Zen-Oh, since those dragon balls weren't erased when he erased the other universes. There is always another tier of gods in Dragonball.
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AutumnDDP posted:Whoever created the Super Dragon Balls was probably stronger than Zen-Oh, since those dragon balls weren't erased when he erased the other universes. yeah presumably zen-oh is a GoD and he should have a supreme kai equiv
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Hey everyone, what is the best Dragonball videogame for me to get started on? I have a 3ds, ps3, xbox 360, and pc (with modest specs). Any good recommendations? There are a lot of options and many of them are rather expensive, so I want to make sure I'm getting a good deal. For what it's worth, I'm willing to pay good money for a very good game.
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AutumnDDP posted:Hey everyone, what is the best Dragonball videogame for me to get started on? depends on what you're looking for? DBFZ, Budokai 3, DB Fusions, Xenoverse 2 are all good starts depending on what you want
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AutumnDDP posted:Hey everyone, what is the best Dragonball videogame for me to get started on? Dragonball Fighter Z if you are good at fighting games, Xenoverse 2 if you are bad at fighting games.
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if you like fighting games, dbzf; if you don't like fighting games but still want to act out dbz fights, xenoverse hope you like fighting games and jrpgs
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Thanks man. I should note, I have no interest in online gaming at all. I'm attracted to a really good story mode that follows the series closely. The gameplay should be accessible without spending a lot of time learning the ins and outs, since I'm a little limited on free time.
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well this is just me but I played xenoverse entirely single player and it wasn't hard to wrap my head around. there is a bit of a grind tho, at least in the first game idk if any dragon ball games have great stories? usually it's just an excuse to retell the story of dbz
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Fighterz would not be good for you then. As it has some fun interactions but the story itself is bleh and tedious as gently caress to get through.
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If you want story, Xenoverse is probably your best bet. It's about changing time but it does a mediocre job so it follows the original story with changes far more minor than they should be until the last DLC.
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AutumnDDP posted:Hey everyone, what is the best Dragonball videogame for me to get started on? I'd also say Xenoverse 2 would be best. I have the thread for DB games linked in the OP. I also updated it recently with up to date information on everything.
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If it follows the DBZ story closely then I think it has GREAT story since DBZ's story is legitimately good. I think I'll try DBZ Xenoverse 2. The PC requirements aren't very high and the gameplay looks very fun with a lot of characters.
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If you can somehow fandangle legacy of goku2 and fury of Buu (skip legacy1 trust me) for gba on your PC in recommend those.
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Speaking of old-school DBZ games, try "Legendary Super Warriors" on GBC. It follows the DBZ storyline very closely through cutscenes (part of why I like it). You battle foes in a turn based format, using cards and timing-combos to determine your attacks. I enjoyed it very much when I was younger, and it's very cheap too. It's not a game you hear about much, but it's definitely one of the best games on the system.
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