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Dias posted:People have trouble literally reading the TEXT of a kids' show, because it's not even like that was just eluded to, Grande Padre outright says "yeah, we thought the winner would do this, otherwise EVERYONE WOULD GET DELETED." If thats the expected outcome and they went forward with the tournament pretty sure that the erasures would be undone, how is that functionally any different from the TOP just bein a laff?
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Momomo posted:The universes getting erased was never a joke? Them getting destroyed was very real and if 17 had wished for anything else, they would have gotten erased too and that would be the end of it. The idea was that if the winner was a good person like they were expecting, then all the universes would be back, but not because the Zenos did it. So does this mean that Zeno is actually omniscient? Can he see the future? The high priest said he foresaw the ending.
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Meme Emulator posted:If thats the expected outcome and they went forward with the tournament pretty sure that the erasures would be undone, how is that functionally any different from the TOP just bein a laff? It was a test, they expected the possible winner to be selfless but otherwise everyone would get wiped out. Even if you read "oh sure they could read the future it was just wankery", which was never stated, it's not like the universes knew, so it'd at least foster a sense of selflessness into them. edit: never stated outside of Zeno, who's basically not sayin' poo poo otherwise, I mean
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Rutibex posted:So does this mean that Zeno is actually omniscient? Can he see the future? The high priest said he foresaw the ending. GP just said that he knew he could count in U7. He sensed the Protagonism emanating off of them.
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Blaze Dragon posted:While I agree, U7 itself improves through the Tournament. Goku completely abandons his ego and reaches levels beyond even the gods! Vegeta's feeling towards those he loves get even stronger! 17 leaves his materialism behind and embraces becoming a saviour! Freeza almost becomes a genuinely good person! Frieza learns to trust others and to sacrifice his ego for a greater cause I don't know what the official translation of kaka says, but the translation Adrian Barba uses is about fighting and wining without ego, except for the joy of realizing how strong you have become
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Calaveron posted:Frieza learns to trust others and to sacrifice his ego for a greater cause Never not link Adrian Barba. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMhNN7IwE60 Anyways, these are the lyrics, translated from Japanese Ultimate Battle posted:Ti-ti-ti-ti-time to fight So it's absolutely about fighting without wishing for something concrete, leaving ego behind, just for the sake of the fight itself. Kind of grim honestly, but this is Dragon Ball, so it's the absolute of purity anyone should reach out for and it's very much Goku.txt.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Never not link Adrian Barba. Yeah and Barba's version also mentions how it's your turn to win the rematch because victory is on your mind and also how you'll protect the universe but they probably put that in because nothing loves anything the way Mexico loves Goku and of course he's the savior and protector of our universe
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If Whis could do something about Frieza, then couldn't Champa request something from Vados to do something about the Namek's merging? That could easily solve their population problem. Considering that they would want to improve their mortal level, I'm sure they're willing to accept requests like these.
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Apr 12, 2018 02:19
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I like that Whis is fine with King Kai being dead
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Its really not a big deal hes just mad that the other low level gods make fun of him for dying.
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It is funny though how people here miss the most obvious things. Like straight up, said aloud, confirmed TEXT and some people still can't grasp it. Remember that big argument about whether flying was allowed in the ToP, despite it being stated outright that it wasn't and even showing a drat illustration if it not being allowed lol
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Ramadu posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLo9iRpkeRY lol Vagman
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Alan_Shore posted:It is funny though how people here miss the most obvious things. Like straight up, said aloud, confirmed TEXT and some people still can't grasp it. Remember that big argument about whether flying was allowed in the ToP, despite it being stated outright that it wasn't and even showing a drat illustration if it not being allowed lol Yeah but then lots of people flew during the tournament of power.
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Rutibex posted:Yeah but then lots of people flew during the tournament of power. Who? Just the guys with legit wings from my memory. Even in the climactic battle everyone was running and leaping and falling
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Apr 12, 2018 03:28
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They weren't flying; they were falling. With style.
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Alan_Shore posted:Who? Just the guys with legit wings from my memory. Even in the climactic battle everyone was running and leaping and falling Freeza literally grabbed Jiren and tried to fly him off the stage during the final episode. There were lots of other times (like Jiren meditating, etc) but that was the one the comes to mind first.
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Rutibex posted:Freeza literally grabbed Jiren and tried to fly him off the stage during the final episode. There were lots of other times (like Jiren meditating, etc) but that was the one the comes to mind first. Freeza just had Goku launch him, though. He wasn't flying under his own power, he was just tackling/grappling Jiren. The show was decent about having characters hold to the no flying rule, albeit it's still about characters who have ridiculous jumping abilities.
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Extreme0 posted:lol Vagman right? Assman would have been a layup but they got greedy
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Rutibex posted:Freeza literally grabbed Jiren and tried to fly him off the stage during the final episode. There were lots of other times (like Jiren meditating, etc) but that was the one the comes to mind first. Freeza literally asked Goku to propel him at Jiren.
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Apr 12, 2018 04:02
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basing the fate of the multiverse on the moral characters of a bunch of people who Really loving Love Fighting seems like a bad idea imo
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Apr 12, 2018 04:13
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nobody without wings flew but a lot of fights played out in a way that the distinction was there in name only. it wasn't exactly og dragon ball
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Manatee Cannon posted:nobody without wings flew but a lot of fights played out in a way that the distinction was there in name only. it wasn't exactly og dragon ball even og dragonball had them jumping real high and fighting even before Goku knew how to fly
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we both know that played out very differently in dragon ball
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Manatee Cannon posted:we both know that played out very differently in dragon ball Yeah you were a child then.
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Rutibex posted:Freeza literally grabbed Jiren and tried to fly him off the stage during the final episode. There were lots of other times (like Jiren meditating, etc) but that was the one the comes to mind first. Spiritus Nox posted:Freeza just had Goku launch him, though. He wasn't flying under his own power, he was just tackling/grappling Jiren. This is kinda proving my point about people missing the most obvious things.
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Manatee Cannon posted:we both know that played out very differently in dragon ball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvG6pVdPqnw :thinking:
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Remember when Goku literally flew against the dragon. Like a helicopter. I don’t remember why he didn’t do that more.
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yea that is pretty different I know. tho I was thinking more about the first tournament where nobody could fly at all
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The episode where it was Goku, Vegeta and 17 against Jiren had a lot of movement that was basically flight if I recall.
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Rutibex posted:So does this mean that Zeno is actually omniscient? Can he see the future? The high priest said he foresaw the ending. They predicted that Goku would be a good person, just like we all predicted the wish would be to restore all the universes.
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ImpAtom posted:Freeza literally asked Goku to propel him at Jiren. Yeah but Freeza did that whole "I'm going fast aura", it distinctly looked like he was propelling himself by some of his own power. Also Jiren made them veer to the side mid fall, isn't changing your direction mid air flying?!
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Freeza should have flow around by using telekinesis on a piece of the stage, like Terra from Teen Titans:
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Jiren changed their direction by being really strong, it wasn't flying. Same way he was stronger than time against Hit.
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Jiren's rippling muscles are so powerful not even time can weaken them.
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Half of Dracula posted:Jiren changed their direction by being really strong, it wasn't flying. Same way he was stronger than time against Hit.  Ok, I'll buy that
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I mean, it works for the Incredible Hulk. Dude totally jukes midair by flexing his super strong muscles.
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I remember being confused how little pieces of the stage weren't actually resting on anything and they just sort of floated there and then I thought about how when the stage was larger it was also just floating in the nothing and I accepted that easily enough then I got to thinking about if our own universe is just floating on top of a nothing and I decided really it wasn't that odd at all in the grand scheme of things.
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Rutibex posted:Freeza should have flow around by using telekinesis on a piece of the stage, like Terra from Teen Titans: Is that real, professional art
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Alan_Shore posted:Is that real, professional art Early to mid 2000s chasing the Anime highs without a real budget Still looks better than Garo Crimson Moon
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